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China and Russia onboard for "punitive actions"
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, October 10, 2006

Fairly straight forward rhetoric from both Russia and China concerning North Korea:
China, North Korea's most important ally, on Tuesday joined other world powers in calling for a tough response to the reclusive communist state's announcement of a nuclear weapons test.

China and Russia, which both border North Korea, met with other veto-holding members of the U.N. Security Council to discuss a range of sanctions proposed by the United States and Japan to pressure Pyongyang to abandon its nuclear program.

China's U.N. Ambassador, Wang Guangya, told reporters: "I think that there has to be some punitive actions." He added: "We need to have a firm, constructive, appropriate but prudent response to North Korea's nuclear threat."

In Moscow, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov called the reported test a "colossal blow" to the non-proliferation regime but, like China, insisted an eventual United Nations resolution on this issue should not involve the use of force.

"For us that is very important ... imagine if there was military action on the territory of North Korea ... North Korea has borders with three countries, and one of them is Russia," he told reporters.
Note the last thing the Russian Defense Minster said. Obviously, it shouldn't come as a surprise that a nation that borders North Korea would be less than enthusiastic about the possibility of the use of force because any such war may spill over borders.

But personally I see it as a mistake (whether it would ever be used or not) to remove anything concerning what might constitute "punitive actions" from the table before meeting with the other Security Council permanent members.

North Korea must be presented with a united front which holds as the last option the possibility of using force if they choose to ignore the demand to stand-down their nuclear weapons program.

The reason that is critical is to found in the Middle East.


Like I mentioned in the other piece, Iran will be watching this very carefully. Any chance for success with North Korea is going to require a united group of the world's most powerful nations (under the auspices of the UN if that works and otherwise if it doesn't) willing to do whatever is necessary to stop this sort of proliferation. If, as usual, internal dissension among the world powers surfaces coupled with a refusal to act militarily if necessary, then Iran will not be encouraged to rethink their commitment to nuclear weapons.

In short, success with Iran may hinge on doing what is necessary to stop North Korea. Whether we could again muster the unanimity we might be able to put together with North Korea (I'm talking about China and Russian take in particular) for Iran is another topic. But a demonstration of the will of the rest of the world to require compliance with the Nonproliferation Treaty vis a vis North Korea would at least be a step in the right direction and may pay dividends in the long run by discouraging other non-nuclear countries from the pursuit of these type weapons.
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Previous Comments to this Post 

Is it so wrong of me to honestly believe nothing beyond words and meetings is going to happen? Bush won’t do anything. The Dems, when they regain some power in November, won’t do anything. NK will continue to test and improve. Someone will offer cold cash for something, and that will end up on our doorstep eventually.

We incorrectly connected the dots with Iraq. Now, the dots are connected, the lines colored in, and nobody is going be able to do jack squat about it. I honestly am beginning to think America has lost her will to fight for what is in our best interest.

Then again, I’m in a sh!tty mood today and probably should just be ignored.

Now, cue the partisan parrots who will blame "the other party" for this.
Written By: Robb Allen
Is it so wrong of me to honestly believe nothing beyond words and meetings is going to happen?
Absolutely not.

Why do you think we’re in Iraq? We chose to take the UN at its word. Big mistake.

And, like you, I doubt Bush will make that mistake again.
Written By: McQ
"Punitive action" means "No Winter Solstice Party invite for YOU, Kim Jong-Il" and we will seek to restrict the importation of Japanese "Tentacle Pron" into North Korea.
Written By: Joe
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Maybe Koffi Anan can implement a North Korean Rocks-for-Food exchange program at the UN.
Written By: looker
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China completely controls the NORK. This is all China playing us for fools.
They could cut off food an fuel and immediately bring that feudal despotism down.
Written By: kyle N
But let’s say just for laughs, this whole thing was an exercise in salesmanship on the part of Kim.

I mean, what he is to prevent the Koreans from selling the technology to the Iranians?

Written By: Bithead
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China doesn’t want NOKO to collapse, any more than I want my dog to die just because he knocks the screens out of my windows when he ’makes an s-cape’.

China probably just wants Kim to ’heel’. That way they keep the bad dog on the chain to keep the rest of us occupied and make themselves look like decent bomb fearing people. Get a couple of atta boys to play off against the next ’oh sh*t’ they pull with Taiwan or something.
Written By: looker
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China is going to give North Korea a stern talking-to over this!
Written By: Joab
Maybe Koffi Anan can implement a North Korean Rocks-for-Food exchange program at the UN.
Looker, that was comedy gold. Well done.
Written By: Joab

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