I wonder if these Imams are the "moderate" muslims Poet Omar is always going on about.I’m still not sure of why these 6 acted as they did Because they wanted to advance their political agenda by crying victim. Seems pretty obvious to me. |
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Sue them personally for the damages they caused the airline and the other passengers!
That might help discourage others who are similarly inclined to make life more uncomfortable for our citizens! |
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"I wonder if these Imams are the "moderate" muslims Poet Omar is always going on about."
Oddly enough, that was one of my first thoughts; are they the moderates, and, if so, how do we enroll them in the struggle(dare I say jihad?) against extremism and terrorism. |
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I’m still not sure of why these 6 acted as they did Well, there’s the possibility that if they could have gotten away with it they’d be with Allah right now enjoying their 72 virgins.
I don’t get how not sitting in your assigned seat entitles you to complain about your subsequent treatment. Funny thing, I get on a plane and try to sit in 1st class when I paid for coach and they get all uppity with me about it every dang time. And I usually fly American too. |
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Well, there’s the possibility that if they could have gotten away with it they’d be with Allah right now enjoying their 72 virgins.
Nah, they’re imams. They’re plenty willing to preach martyrdom, but practicing it is strictly for the brainwashed cannon fodder. |
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I wonder if these Imams are the "moderate" muslims Poet Omar is always going on about. Oddly enough, that was one of my first thoughts; are they the moderates, and, if so, how do we enroll them in the struggle(dare I say jihad?) against extremism and terrorism. Nah, they’re imams. They’re plenty willing to preach martyrdom, but practicing it is strictly for the brainwashed cannon fodder. And when we post comments with some substance, the Poet will happily respond. Didn’t mommy teach you that when you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all. :) |
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Assuming the part about them taking all the wrong seats is correct (unless this was Southwest, but they don’t have 1st class either), well, no one does that without being noticed, esp. in 1st class. I fly all the time and you just can’t do this. Furthermore, in my 100+ flights, people occasionally swap seats, but only after asking the attendants, asking another passenger to swap, or waiting to see if the plane is empty enough. |
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I just wonder if it’s not part of some grander scheme to desensitize flight crews to odd behavior in advance of another event. If they make it so the airline staff are afraid to confront Muslims acting up for fear of "offending" them or due to a sense of familiarity with the odd behavior, a later group can have a head start the next time they want to do more than just act wierd.
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Desensitize them thru fear of being sued, losing job, and loss of pilot’s license, especially if John Conyers (D-Dearbornistan) has his way. |
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"I wonder if these Imams are the "moderate" muslims Poet Omar is always going on about." Well, they claimed to be moderate:Shahin and his fellow imams, who were educated in Sudan and Saudi Arabia, says he and the imams are all moderates who love the U.S. and denounce terror. But I know Omar denounces CAIR, so he may not agree:Shahin’s group, the North American Imams Federation, represents more than 150 mosque leaders across the country. It works in concert with the Council on American-Islamic Relations, |
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But I know Omar denounces CAIR, so he may not agree: Absolutely right, Don. CAIR and MPAC are well-known Saudi Salafist front groups. While I’m sure not every single member is a Salafist, the leadership is not to be trusted. |
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Speaking of air travel, here is a little tune some of the less respectful here may find amusing.
http://www.animatronics.org/strangers/strangers.htm
"And when we post comments with some substance, the Poet will happily respond."
Lighten up. It is not necessary for every comment to have substance, although I think there was a little in these remarks. Do feel free to join in, maybe even say something disrespectful about the religious figure of your choice. Heard any good Pope jokes lately?
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I’m still not sure of why these 6 acted as they did Nor IF they acted as you think they did. It’s an editorial making claims without even bothering to source them. Where did the author learn of this behavior? Who knows. Maybe his neighbor was on the flight.
It’s certainly not journalism as anyone who’s spent years whining about the media would surely agree.but I’m now pretty sure that the facts reported are correct Great, get back to me when you have a link to someone reporting these facts. |
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Absolutely right, Don. CAIR and MPAC are well-known Saudi Salafist front groups. While I’m sure not every single member is a Salafist, the leadership is not to be trusted. Every group has good people in it. In the USSR there were good communists, in Hitler’s Germany there were good Nazis. The organizations were still evil. |
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Considering that Omar Shaheen’s early post 9/11 outreach, involved denying the real perpetrators of the event; that the Islamic Center of Tucson, was founded by Wael Julaidan, a founding member of Al Queda; one is right to have notes. The only quibble, if there is one, was whether there was an ongoing operation that was foiled. One doubts that; more likely the imams served as spotters and force multipliers; not as martyrs |
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Davebo,
That was an Op-Ed. But the facts are coming out (hence the Op-Ed).
From INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY:The police report detailing the US Airways flap gives us serious pause. The imams acted more like provocateurs than victims. At the gate before boarding, they angrily cursed the U.S. Then they bowed to Mecca and prayed "very loud," chanting "Allah, Allah, Allah," according to the gate agent and another witness. One even "pretended to be blind" to gain access to another passenger’s seat, according to a flight attendant. When the story first broke, the imams denied they chanted "Allah." Yet, several witnesses in the police report say they did. The imams also claimed they were handcuffed and harassed by dogs. "Six imams. Six leaders in this country," Shahin complained. "Six scholars in handcuffs." But the police report puts the lie to both those claims, too. This one is good:Shahin himself has ties to terrorism. He served (unknowingly, he now says) as an agent and fundraiser for a Hamas front. He ran a mosque in Tucson, Ariz., attended by several al-Qaida operatives including the hijacker who flew the plane into the Pentagon. And he now runs an imam federation that counts an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing among its trustees. Hamas and al-Qaida? They get along? One of the imams kicked off the US Airways flight, an Egyptian native, praised sharia law, according to a passenger who sat next to him. |
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Okay, this sounds suspicious, but here are my question:
-They must have been frinked. Did they have any exlosives or toher dangerous substnces? Since they were released, it doesn’t look that way.
-If they got the seat-belt expensions in order to attack, would they have really hoped to beat all the crew and passendgers into submission? I understand it’s darn hard to get into the cockpit, and the pilot is armed.
-Why weren’t they just ordered to stay in their assigned seats?
-If they had some dark designs for this flight, why were they so atupidly intent on drawing attention to themselves?
=Why aren’t more of us studying arabic, so that we know what’s actually being said in situations like thin? |
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The arabic speaker might very well have been one of the "moderate" muslims we often wonder about. Keep that mind everybody.
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-They must have been frinked. Did they have any exlosives or toher dangerous substnces? Since they were released, it doesn’t look that way. No, but then the guys who carried out 9/11 didn’t have any either.-If they got the seat-belt expensions in order to attack, would they have really hoped to beat all the crew and passendgers into submission? I understand it’s darn hard to get into the cockpit, and the pilot is armed. Compared to box cutters (which worked on 9/11), I think the seat belts were reasonable weapons.
The pilot has the option of obtaining a gun if they go through special training (no thanks to the Bush administration—one of the few times I’ve agreed with Senator Boxer). -Why weren’t they just ordered to stay in their assigned seats? Perhaps they were. But then, people often don’t speak up. -If they had some dark designs for this flight, why were they so atupidly intent on drawing attention to themselves? The theory is that it was all a publicity stunt. They wanted to get themselves in trouble and then cry "Discrimination!". Imams don’t typicaly do the suicide thing themselves, they send others to do that sort of thing. If you go to the link I posted, down at the bottom is a timeline that suggest the imams were engaging in deliberate media manipulation.=Why aren’t more of us studying arabic, so that we know what’s actually being said in situations like thin? Are you claiming that Arabic speakers need to be monitored? Perhaps you need some CAIR sensitivity training. |
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Great, get back to me when you have a link to someone reporting these facts.
Davebo, more facts:Three parallel investigations into the removal of six imams from a US Airways flight last month have so far concluded that the airline acted properly, that the imams’ claims they were merely praying and their eviction was racially inspired are without foundation. |
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DON: "Are you claiming that Arabic speakers need to be monitored? " —————- NO. I’m suggesting that if more non-arabs spoke arabic, they would be able to tell when a strange bunch of men are discussing something threatening and when they are discussing the dinner menu. |
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"They wanted to get themselves in trouble and then cry "Discrimination!""
But that would be dishonest! And manipulative! How dare you accuse Muslims of being liars, especially holy men!? |
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NO. I’m suggesting that if more non-arabs spoke arabic, they would be able to tell when a strange bunch of men are discussing something threatening and when they are discussing the dinner menu. Sounds to me like you support racial profiling. You need to report to CAIR, for proper indoctrination. Do so quickly, before the problem gets worse; you could end up registering Republican or even worse. |
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