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Posted by: McQ on Saturday, December 16, 2006

Coming as no real surprise:
Incoming Democratic committee chairmen say they will hold a series of hearings and investigations early next year to build the case for their call for a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and for possible action against defense contractors found to have wasted billions in federal funds.

The emerging plans to grill administration officials on the conduct of the war are part of a pledge for more aggressive congressional oversight on issues such as prewar intelligence, prisoner treatment at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay, and the government's use of warrantless wiretaps.
Oversight? Good. In fact, a welcome change. An endless series of investigations into every possible aspect of the past? Not good, politically speaking. "The people", who seem to be demanding an end to partisanship and bickering, may punish those conducting the investigations instead of those subject to them. Fair warning.

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Apparently Hillary wants to be the national mommy:
New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton will be making the rounds of the morning shows next week, promoting the rerelease of her book, "It Takes a Village," while getting some major television exposure as she weighs a likely 2008 presidential bid.

[...]

"Today's electronic village has certainly complicated the always difficult challenge of parenting and raising the next generation," Clinton wrote.
And my guess is she thinks government is the solution to that complication.

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David Duke, an "academic?" According Reuters, yes. Describing participants in the Tehran Holocaust [denial] Conference it reports:
Among the participants was U.S. academic David Duke, a former Louisiana Republican Representative.
Good grief ... those three layers of editors strike again.

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Possible Republican presidentail contender Mitt Romney seems to be staking out an early position on illegal immigration:
"If you have, let's say, a construction crew come in and add an addition to your home, you don't go around to the workers and say, 'Let me see your papers.' I don't know that that's even legal," Romney said Friday in an interview with Fox News.

"It's certainly not what America expects of our citizens," he said. "What they do expect is that the companies we hire have some way of determining whether their employees are legal."
As I've said numerous times, this issue will be one of the key issues in the '08 presidential race.

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Why don't people take them seriously? Because they constantly say ill informed and stupid things. The latest? Matt Damon:
I don't think that it's fair as I said before, that it seems like we have a fighting class in our country. That's comprised of people who have to go for either financial reasons or , I don;t think that that is fair. And if you're gonna send people to war, ahh, if, if we all get together and decide we need to go to war then that needs to be shared by everybody. You know and if the President has daughters who are of age then maybe they should go too...
And "if, if we all get together and decide we need to go to war", then perhaps you should go too, Matt. Right?

Oh, and by the way, we all did get together and decide to go to war even though many of those who were responsible for that now claim they were misled.

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Speaking of dumber than a box of rocks, meet Joy Behar on Thursday's "The View":
Rosie O'Donnell: "His name is Senator Tim Johnson. He's a Democrat, and sadly he, he was ill, and he's had brain surgery. They think he may have had a stroke."

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: "Yes."

Guest host Dari Alexander of Fox News: "And the thing that is quite interesting about this, I think, is that it started this whole political brouhaha because, as you know, the Democrats took over in November by a 51-49 majority, and now if he has to resign, it will make things 50-50, because the governor of that state, who is a Republican, is in, in, he's in charge of basically putting an interim person in there for, for Senate, and..."

Joy Behar: "Is there such a thing as a man-made stroke? In other words, did someone do this to him?"

Alexander: "Maybe they gave him polonium."

O'Donnell, laughing: "Oh no, no."

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: "Let me ask you something. Why is everything coming from the liberal perspective a conspiracy?
This is a conspiracy."

Behar: "I know what this, that party is capable of."
Of course you do, Ms. Behar. Heh ... all I can figure is they just don't think you're worth the same effort.

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Former Republican Congressman Bob Barr has seen the light:
"It's something that's been bothering me for quite some time, the direction in which the party has been going more and more toward big government and disregard toward privacy and civil liberties," said Barr, 58, a lawyer and consultant living in Atlanta. "In terms of where the country needs to be going to get back to our constitutional roots ... I've come to the conclusion that the only way to do that is to work with a party that practices what it preaches, and that is the Libertarian Party."
While I may not agree that the Libertarian Party is the answer, libertarianism is. And the important thing to note is he didn't find his solution with the Democratic party despite their recent entreaties to libertarians. It goes without saying, though, that a viable third party would go a long way toward righting the ship of state which is dominated by the two major parties.

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Is this finally enough to get rid of that idiot Mike Nifong, District Attorney in the Duke Rape case?
Under questioning by Jim Cooney, a defense attorney for Seligmann, [director of DNA Security of Burlington, Brian] Meehan admitted that his report violated his laboratory’s standards by not reporting results of all tests.

"Did Nifong and his investigators know the results of all the DNA tests?" Cooney asked.

“I believe so,” Meehan said.

“Did they know the test results excluded Reade Seligmann?” Cooney asked.

“I believe so,” Meehan said.

"Was the failure to report these results the intentional decision of you and the district attorney?" Cooney asked.

“Yes,” Meehan replied.
How much more of this sort of malfeasance do the citizens of that area intend to put up with?

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Obama mania continues:
A prominent Republican pollster's national survey of Democratic voters shows support stalled for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton while Sen. Barack Obama has come from nowhere and now looks like her only serious contender for the 2008 presidential nomination.
While all of this is interesting as hell, the question remains, what has he ever done?

To me his meteoric rise is more a statement about the superficiality of our culture combined with a dearth of attractive political leadership in this country.

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Speaking of "what has he ever done", John Edwards is apparently back in the hunt for the presidency in '08:
Former Democratic vice presidential nominee John Edwards intends to enter the 2008 race for the White House, two Democratic officials said Saturday.
Obama/Edwards (Edwards/Obama) ticket anyone?

As an aside, found in the article about Edwards:
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they did not want to pre-empt Edwards’ announcement.
But pre-empt it they did, since the "officals" told a, wait for it, reporter from NBC. Good grief.

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Alan Dershowitz, incensed over Jimmy Carter's latest book likening the Israeli/Palestine situation to apartheid, has challenged Carter to a debate. Carter, who says the purpose of his book was to spark debate in this country, has declined:
"I don't want to have a conversation even indirectly with Dershowitz," Carter said in Friday's Boston Globe. "There is no need ... to debate somebody who, in my opinion, knows nothing about the situation in Palestine."
Heh ... no irony in that statement, is there? Double and triple irony, even.

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Well you can't get more centerist or libertarian than our finish in the 2006 Weblog Awards in the category of "Best Centerist Blog". We came in 5th out of 10 which is about as "centerist" as we can get, and we garnered about 5% of the vote which is about as libertarian as you can get. Maybe next year they'll actually have a "Best Libertarian Blog", but given our sudden appearance on Tom Delay's blogroll we'll probably end up in the Best Conservative Blog category.

Anyway, congrats to all the winners.

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Oh, and an early "Merry Christmas":

 
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Ok, that mistletoe video is hilarious. Dr. Pepper and eggnog all over my screen hilarious.

As for Nifong, from the Rules of Professional Conducy of the North Caroline State Bar-

27 NCAC 2 3.4 FAIRNESS TO OPPOSING PARTY AND COUNSEL

(a) A lawyer shall not:

(1) unlawfully obstruct another party’s access to evidence or
unlawfully alter, destroy or conceal a document or other material
having potential evidentiary value. A lawyer shall not counsel or
assist another person to do any such act;

My question is, does anyone think this is the first time he’s suppressed evidence that was unfavorable to his side of the case?
 
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Oh, and by the way, we all did get together and decide to go to war even though many of those who were responsible for that now claim they were misled.
Huh? There are many of us who have never believed anything that Bush has had to say. He is a liar. Always has been. And no, "we" all did not get together to decide to invade Iraq. "You" did, "we" didn’t.

I was right, you were wrong. Many of us were against invading Iraq. We were right, you were wrong. As I have said before, someday you will admit it.
While all of this is interesting as hell, the question remains, what has he ever done?
Are you really that ignorant?
After high school, Obama studied for two years at Occidental College in California, before transferring to Columbia College, the undergraduate division of Columbia University, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations. Upon graduating in 1983, Obama worked for one year at Business International Corporation before moving to Chicago and taking a job with a non-profit organization helping local churches organize job training programs for residents of poor neighborhoods.[10]

Obama then left Chicago for three years to study at Harvard Law School. He was elected president of the Harvard Law Review, obtaining his Juris Doctor degree, magna cum laude in 1991. On returning to Chicago, Obama supported a voter registration drive, then worked for the civil rights law firm Miner, Barnhill & Galland, and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1993 until his federal election.[11]

In 1996, Obama was elected to the Illinois State Senate from the 13th District in the south side neighborhood of Hyde Park, in Chicago. In January 2003, Democrats regained control of the chamber, and Sen. Obama was named chairman of the Senate Health and Human Services Committee.[12]

Obama helped to author an Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit that provided benefits to the working poor. He also worked for legislation that would cover residents who could not afford health insurance, and helped pass bills to increase funding for AIDS prevention and care programs.[13]

In 2000, Obama made an unsuccessful Democratic primary run for the U.S. House of Representatives seat held by four-term incumbent candidate Bobby Rush. Rush, a former Black Panther and community activist, charged that Obama had not "been around the first congressional district long enough to really see what’s going on".[14] Rush received 61% of the vote, while Obama received 30%.[15]

After the loss, Obama rededicated his efforts to the state Senate. In his 2002 campaign, he ran unopposed. Obama authored a law requiring police to videotape interrogations for crimes punishable by the death penalty.[6] He also pushed through legislation that would force insurance companies to cover routine mammograms.[16][17]

Reviewing Obama’s career in the Illinois State Senate, commentators noted his ability to work effectively with both Democrats and Republicans, and to build coalitions.[18][19] In his subsequent campaign for the U.S. Senate, Obama won the endorsement of the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police, whose officials cited his "longtime support of gun control measures and his willingness to negotiate compromises", despite his support for some bills that the police union had opposed.[20]

Education
In April 2005, Obama sponsored his first Senate bill, the "Higher Education Opportunity through Pell Grant Expansion Act", S. 697.[42] Entered in fulfillment of a campaign promise to help needy students pay their college tuitions, the bill proposed increasing the maximum amount of Pell Grant awards to $5,100.[43] Provision for Pell Grant awards was later incorporated into the "Deficit Reduction Act", S. 1932, signed by President George W. Bush on February 8, 2006.[44]


Immigration
Obama co-sponsored the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act", S. 1033, introduced by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) on May 12, 2005.[45] Obama also supported a later revision, the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act", S. 2611, passed by the Senate on May 25, 2006.[46] He offered three amendments that were included in the bill passed by the Senate: (1) to protect American workers against unfair job competition from guest workers; (2) require employer verification of their employees’ legal immigration status through improved verification systems; and (3) fund improvements in FBI background checks of immigrants applying for U.S. citizenship.[47] In December 2005, the U.S. House of Representatives had passed a parallel bill, H.R. 4437, which provides for enhanced border security measures, but does not address the broader immigration reforms contained in the Senate’s bill. As of November 2006, the House and Senate were unable to reconcile the two versions.[48]


Nonproliferation
In November 2005, Obama and Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) introduced the "Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act" to expand the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines.[49][50] The bill, also known as "Lugar-Obama", was passed out of committee and reported to the Senate in May 2006.[51]


Transparency
Obama joined with Senators Coburn (R-OK), Carper (D-DE), and McCain (R-AZ) in sponsoring the "Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act", S. 2590, to provide citizens with a website, managed by the Office of Management and Budget, listing all organizations receiving Federal funds from 2007 onward, and providing breakdowns by the agency allocating the funds, the dollar amount given, and the purpose of the grant or contract.[52] President George W. Bush signed the bill, also referred to as the "Coburn-Obama Transparency Act", into law on September 26, 2006.[53]


Congressional delegations

Russia and Eastern Europe

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Richard Lugar (R-IN) and Committee member Barack Obama at a Russian base where mobile launch missiles are being destroyed by the Nunn-Lugar program.During the August recess of 2005, Obama traveled with Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN), Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, to Russia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan. The latest in Lugar’s series of Nunn-Lugar visits to the region, the trip focused on strategies to control the world’s supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a strategic first defense against the threat of future terrorist attacks.[54]

Lugar and Obama inspected a Nunn-Lugar program supported nuclear warhead destruction facility at Saratov, in southern European Russia.[55] In a diplomatic incident the Moscow Times reported as reminiscent of the Cold War, the delegation’s departure from an airport in the city of Perm, at the foot of the Ural Mountains, was delayed for three hours when Russian guards sought unsuccessfully to search their plane.[56] In Ukraine, Lugar and Obama toured a disease control and prevention facility and witnessed the signing of a bilateral pact to secure biological pathogens and combat risks of infectious disease outbreaks from natural causes or bioterrorism.[57]


Middle East
In January 2006 Obama joined Senators Bayh (D-IN), Bond (R-MO), and Congressman Ford (D-TN) for meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq. After the visits, Obama split off from the others for more meetings in Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories. While in Israel, Obama met with Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom. A planned meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had been cancelled due to his recent stroke.[58]

Obama also met with a group of Palestinian students two weeks before Hamas won the January 2006 Palestinian legislative election. ABC News 7 (Chicago) reported Obama telling the students that "the US will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental mission to eliminate Israel", and that he had conveyed the same message in his meeting with Palestinian authority President Mahmoud Abbas.[59] After the election, Obama said: "My hope is that as a consequence of now being responsible for electricity and picking up garbage and basic services to the Palestinian people, that they recognize it’s time to moderate their stance."[60] Referring to Obama’s comment, editorial columnist George F. Will coined the phrase "Garbage Collection Theory of History."[61]


Africa
In August 2006, Obama left for his third official trip, traveling as a Congressional delegation of one to South Africa and Kenya, and making stops in Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad.

The trip’s Kenya segment merged policy and personal elements. Obama flew his wife and two daughters from Chicago to join him in a visit to his father’s birthplace, the village of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, located near Kisumu in Kenya’s rural west. Newspapers reported enthusiastic crowds at Obama’s public appearances.[62] In a public gesture aimed to capitalize on his celebrity and encourage more Kenyans to undergo voluntary HIV testing, Obama and his wife took HIV tests at a Kenyan clinic.[63]

In a nationally televised speech to students and faculty at the University of Nairobi, Obama spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries in Kenyan politics: "Ethnic-based politics has to stop. It is rooted in the bankrupt ideology that the goal of politics is to pile as much as possible to one’s family, tribe or friends. It fractures the fabric of society", Obama stated.[64] The speech touched off a public debate among rival leaders, some formally challenging Obama’s remarks as unfair and improper, others defending his positions.[65][66]
Editor of the Harvard Law Review, civil rights activist, lawyer, professor, state legisaltor, national legislator. He is 45 years old.

Maybe you are that ignorant. Who knows. But Obama is 100 times more qualified to be president than your boy George W. Bush ever was. Hell, in 2003, Bush stll didn’t know the difference between a Shiite and a Sunni.

Now, I know you’re doing your level best to be the dutiful wingnut and echo the "what has he ever done" meme about Obama. Good little wingnut. But it’s got no legs. And you know it.

 
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But Obama is 100 times more qualified to be president than your boy George W. Bush ever was
Yep, no meme here. But hey, Obama "spoke forcefully" once in Kenya so he must be qualified!
 
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David Duke, an "academic?"
Yeah, actually, he is. Apparently, since serving in the Louisiana legislature, he has obtained a PhD.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
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Maybe you are that ignorant. Who knows. But Obama is 100 times more qualified to be president than your boy George W. Bush ever was.
Not by what you’ve listed as a CV. But then, it’s not surprising that you’re dazzled by the flash and have no idea of the substance, or lack thereof. My guess is you were an Edwards supporter before you were a Kerry supporter. Consistent anyway.
 
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Yeah, actually, he is. Apparently, since serving in the Louisiana legislature, he has obtained a PhD.
Well you do have a point ... I mean, so does Erb.
 
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I notice mk has nothing to say about Nifong and the rapidly-unraveling Duke case, though he was telling us how smart Nifong was just a few weeks ago.

 
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I notice mk has nothing to say about Nifong and the rapidly-unraveling Duke case, though he was telling us how smart Nifong was just a few weeks ago.
He was? Wow ... you mean he actually talked about something other than Bush? Amazing.
 
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"In September 2005, Duke received a Ph.D. title in History from the Ukrainian Interregional Academy of Personnel Management (MAUP). His doctoral thesis was titled "Zionism as a Form of Ethnic Supremacism".[35] MAUP is a large university, with over 50,000 students, which is accredited by Ukraine’s Ministry of Education, and is where Duke had previously received an honorary doctorate. It is regarded by its critics as the main source of anti-Semitic activity and publishing in Ukraine,[36] and its "anti-Semitic actions" were "strongly condemned" by Foreign Minister of Ukraine Borys Tarasyuk and various Jewish interest and anti-racist organizations.[37] [38] [39] [40] Duke has taught an international relations and a history course at MAUP.[41]"

from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

If I write enough comments, will you guys give me a Ph.D.? It will sound so neat, "The Right Reverend Doctor Whosis". Then I could give real lectures here(unread, of course) and be "The Right Reverend Doctor Professor Whatsis". Or is it Professor Doctor? The Reverend bit, by the way, is my ordainment as a minister in the Universal Life Church. The best five dollars I ever spent. Now that you know, I expect a litle more respect around here, because I am obviously more caring, compassionate, and sensitive than you clods. And I got empathy too. I feel your pain. I bite my lip, my brow furrows, my voice gets a little raspy, my eyes get wattery, just like the real thing! I am almost as good as Willy the Weasel, or St. John of Mass.

 
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Yep, no meme here. But hey, Obama "spoke forcefully" once in Kenya so he must be qualified!
Again, what’s the standard here? It’s all well and good to complain he hasn’t started several business ventures and failed only to be balied out by his daddy’s friends, or that he wasn’t a legacy admission to an Ivy League university where he was at best a C+ student, or whatever his problem isn’t. But seriously, what is the standard? What makes Obama unqualified and Bush qualified?

And is it was because Bush was governor, well, then let’s talk about Texas. Just another red state at the bottom of nearly every category that one can use to measure how good a state is. Texas sucks, frankly. And what did Bush do to make it better? Zero.

Obama scares the wllies out of wingers. My fear is that because he is black, they could get real ugly. I hope they don’t, but I fear they will.
 
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Not by what you’ve listed as a CV. But then, it’s not surprising that you’re dazzled by the flash and have no idea of the substance, or lack thereof. My guess is you were an Edwards supporter before you were a Kerry supporter. Consistent anyway.
I know you supported Bush. Because you did, you have no credibility on this issue.

It’s that simple.
 
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I bite my lip, my brow furrows, my voice gets a little raspy, my eyes get wattery
Whoa!! Is it just me is it getting randy in here?


Mk - wow, here we go aagain... as for BO;
before moving to Chicago and taking a job with a non-profit organization helping local churches organize job training programs for residents of poor neighborhoods.
That’s great. What a nice man. And so quickly to;

Obama then left Chicago for three years to study at Harvard Law School
Pretty good when you can move like that.
Obama supported a voter registration drive, then worked for the civil rights law firm Miner, Barnhill & Galland, and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1993 until his federal election
I smell a politician here... and if he had an R next to his name, MK would be chastising him to no end for the ’empty’ things he did to position himself.

In a public gesture aimed to capitalize on his celebrity and encourage more Kenyans to undergo voluntary HIV testing, Obama and his wife took HIV tests at a Kenyan clinic.
I’m sorry, that’s just funny to me. "Hey babe, what say we get a little HIV test while we’re together in Africa"

And finally -
Now, I know you’re doing your level best to be the dutiful wingnut and echo the "what has he ever done" meme about Obama. Good little wingnut. But it’s got no legs. And you know it.
And we know you are doing your level best to ignore McQ’s point. Good little tinfoil hat person. But you’ve got no legs, and BO has no proven record of leadership.

Almost forgot this one -
Obama helped to author an Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit that provided benefits to the working poor
EITC... socialist speak for ’stealing from those who earned it and giving to those who the government determines ’needs’ it.
 
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I notice mk has nothing to say about Nifong and the rapidly-unraveling Duke case, though he was telling us how smart Nifong was just a few weeks ago.
God, Billy, what you don’t understand about the legal system could fill volumes. My only point back then was that the DA made a smart move by not personally talking to the victim. I could explain again why that is a smart move, Billy, but it would be way over your head.

How many jury trials have you tried Billy? How many? Why don’t you explain to the rest of us why I am wrong? You are completely clueless. You would get crushed in the courtroom.

As for the Duke case itself, I have never commented on the merits. I presonally doubted it all along. But in the real world, most wingers are on the side of the police and the DA. Most wingers are opposed to the vigorous eforcement of the rights of the accused in criminal cases. Indeed, look at what Obama did. He got legislation introduced and passed that required the videotaping of police interrogations in homicide cases.

You know who his political opposition was? Wingers. Why? Because most wingers favor the power of government of the rights of the individual, especially the rights of the criminal accused. But that’s like saying the sun rises in the East, isn’t it?

As for the Duke rape case, if it were up to most wingers, the procedural safeguards designed to show that Nifong’s case was sh*t would have been eliminated long agp.
 
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That’s great. What a nice man. And so quickly to;
God, you are awful. Criticizing him because he didn’t work in charity long enough? What is wrong with you?
Pretty good when you can move like that.
Move like what? Move to go to law school? You really are scraping the bottom of the barrell.
smell a politician here... and if he had an R next to his name, MK would be chastising him to no end for the ’empty’ things he did to position himself.
I don’t think becoming a lawyer, helping others, and teaching others are empty things. You apparently do. Sad.
I’m sorry, that’s just funny to me. "Hey babe, what say we get a little HIV test while we’re together in Africa"
You’re right. He should have spent his time making sure that the US government did not provide any funding for groups that advocated anything other than abstinence in Africa. After all, the US government certainly shouldn’t be handing out condoms in Africa. Obama could have personally crusaded against condom use in Africa. What a waste.
And we know you are doing your level best to ignore McQ’s point. Good little tinfoil hat person. But you’ve got no legs, and BO has no proven record of leadership.
McQ’s point was that Obama has not done anything. I provided information to counter that point. You claim I am igonring his point, You are wrong.

Obama scares you, doesn’t he? You were expecting Hillary, and now you get him. Sucks, doesn’t it?

And then we get this little gem:
EITC... socialist speak for ’stealing from those who earned it and giving to those who the government determines ’needs’ it.
Tell you what: bet all your money on the horse that comes out against the EITC. And then bet on Detroit Lions. Each is a wonderful way of throwing your money away.
 
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A prominent Republican pollster’s national survey of Democratic voters shows support stalled for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton while Sen. Barack Obama has come from nowhere and now looks like her only serious contender for the 2008 presidential nomination.
While all of this is interesting as hell, the question remains, what has he ever done?
Be a minorty?


 
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I could explain again why that is a smart move, Billy, but it would be way over your head.
Most of the things you explain are over somebody’s head. Problem is, it’s usually yours.

I can’t say I give a flip about legal manuveuring and such other lawyerly preening. If those boys are innocent, as it appears they are, then the more clever he is in persecuting them, the more despicable he is. So you can praise him for being very capable at abusing his power, and I can’t say that impresses me much. For you, it’s apparently professional courtesy, as the old lawyer-shark joke goes.

Could you just come right out and say that Nifong is an out-of-control prosecutor who is wrecking young boys’ lives for political purposes? No. The best you can do is:
As for the Duke case itself, I have never commented on the merits. I presonally doubted it all along.
So you don’t think there’s merit, but you praise Nifong for his smartness anyway. And you guys wonder why the rest of us make so many lawyer jokes. It really doesn’t make any difference to you if he wrecks those boys lives, does it? And you leftists are the ones who style yourselves so compassionate!
Because most wingers favor the power of government of the rights of the individual, especially the rights of the criminal accused.
Well, you’ve probably got some lawyerly, disingenuous definition of "winger" that means trying to talk you out of such a position is utterly pointless. I could point out for the umpteenth time that myself, the proprietors of this forum, and many of the commenters are libertarian rather than right-wing, but since you’re completely blind to any political spectrum other then left vs. everyone else, it’s also pointless to do so. But, for the record, I have long distrusted the abuse of power by police. I’ve been arguing for an end to the drug war for that exact reason for decades.

So I’ve put it on the record. And sometime in the future, probably not that far, you’ll make your silly and erroneous assertions about my opinions again, just as you have umpteen times about Bush. Because, as best as I can tell, most lawyers making arguments are not really interested in truth or reality - just what they get away with to try and win the argument. And many of them, like you, are perfectly happy to smear people with untruths to do so - or to see other lawyers to ruin the lives of some young fellows who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, in a desperate attempt to save their own reputations.

So you go right on defending Nifong and telling us how smart and professional a lawyer he is. Based on what I know about you, it makes sense to me that you would do that. You two look like peas in a pod to me.
 
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Wow. MK is really a hard core Obama supporter. He’s never bitched and moaned this much in one thread before. We really hit a nerve.
 
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Huh? There are many of us who have never believed anything that Bush has had to say. He is a liar. Always has been. And no, "we" all did not get together to decide to invade Iraq. "You" did, "we" didn’t.


All of our elected officials voted on the issue. So yeah, that really is "us".

Regardless of what the DU says
 
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That’s great. What a nice man. And so quickly to;

God, you are awful. Criticizing him because he didn’t work in charity long enough? What is wrong with you?
I said he’s nice man. Who moved quickly from helping people in the real world to his struggles at Harvard. Do tell what it was exactly he did in his role at this charitable organization. Do you know? Do you care? And just for clarity, how long did he work at this charity? Why is that a bad question to ask?
 
Written By: meagain
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I know you supported Bush. Because you did, you have no credibility on this issue.
I always enjoy it when MK talks about credibility. BTW, MK, as pointed out numerous times ... I’ve never voted for Bush.

But you did vote for Kerry, didn’t you?

Now, what were you saying about credibility?

Heh ...
 
Written By: McQ
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If I write enough comments, will you guys give me a Ph.D.?
Oh yeah ... and Dale could probably whip up a fancy diploma too ... from Clara’s Whorehouse, Law School and Chili Parlor (MK’s Alma Mater).
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
I said he’s nice man.
Yeah, he’s a nice man who’s done the same things millions of other nice men have done. But those nice things don’t qualify him to get anywhere near the White House.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Most of the things you explain are over somebody’s head. Problem is, it’s usually yours.
You didn’t answer my question. How many cases have you tried, Billy? Why won’t you answer? Where did you get your law degree? C’mon Billy boy, tell us.

You are completely clueless when it comes to legal matters. You are also unqaulified. So STFU. You do not know what you are talking about.
I can’t say I give a flip about legal manuveuring and such other lawyerly preening
Exactly. Which is why when your kid or nephew or cousin or whomever gets arrested, you will recommend that they that not consult a lawyer, right? When the government seeks to seize your assests, or exericse its powers of eminent domain on your property, you will represent yourself, right?

Of course not. As I have proven many times, you are a liar.

Wingers hate lawyers. Until they need one. Wingers hate "lawyerly preening," until they need a lawyer. Wingnuts are hypocrites. But again, the Sun rises in the East.

The schizophrenia of being a winger has made your mind mush, Billy. You hate what lawyers do, i.e., protect you from the government, but you also hate the government. Classic winger self loathing. McQ suffers from it too. Most wingers do. They hate the Nifongs, but love the Bushes.

For wingers, it’s not about principle, but about power. Jose Padilla is their legacy. Lock up American citizens indefinitley. Torture anybody else. F*ck the rules.
 
Written By: mkultra
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Wow. MK is really a hard core Obama supporter. He’s never bitched and moaned this much in one thread before. We really hit a nerve
Why does Obama scare you?
 
Written By: mkultra
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Be a minorty?
Shark hit the nail on the head. Just watch the right wing racists come out if Obama gets nominated. They went after Harold Ford in Tennessee. Allen tried the racism card in VA. It worked in the former, failed in the latter.

But you ain’t seen nothing yet. If Obama somehow manages to get the Dem nomination in ’08, the wingers and the GOP will mount a full fledged attack on Obama because of his race. No doubt at all. As I said above, it will get ugly.

Or, as Neil Young one said:
Lily Belle,
your hair is golden brown
I’ve seen your black man
comin’ round
Swear by God
I’m gonna cut him down!
I heard screamin’
and bullwhips cracking
How long? How long?
I pray for Obama. I can hope only that he gets a Secret Service detail as soon as possible. He should therefore declare ASAP, if only to protect himself. Because the right wing hate machine is revving up the engine.
 
Written By: mkultra
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Wow. MK is really a hard core Obama supporter. He’s never bitched and moaned this much in one thread before. We really hit a nerve.
I was thinking that, too, JWG. Either that or they’re out of thorazine where he’s staying....
Just watch the right wing racists come out if Obama gets nominated. They went after Harold Ford in Tennessee. Allen tried the racism card in VA. It worked in the former, failed in the latter.
Oh, puh-leeze. It’s not like the Democratic Party hasn’t done the very same thing. (*cough* J.C. Watts *cough*) To Democrats, any black Republican is either a token or a race traitor, because Dems don’t believe blacks who disagree with the Dem Party line are capable of thinking for themselves.

 
Written By: Steverino
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Oh, puh-leeze. It’s not like the Democratic Party hasn’t done the very same thing. (*cough* J.C. Watts *cough*) To Democrats, any black Republican is either a token or a race traitor, because Dems don’t believe blacks who disagree with the Dem Party line are capable of thinking for themselves.
Talk about a tin-foli hat. The premise of your argument is that if black people don’t whoreheatedly suppprt a black person that runs for office as a Republican, it proves that the Democratic Party hates black people.

WTF is wrong with you? You obviously know better. You are sick, f*ck*ng sick. Seriously. This is beyond politics. It is a defect concenring your soul.

To suggest that the overwhelming majority of black people who vote Democratic do so out of ignorance is both stupid and racist. WTF is wrong with you? Seriously. Where does your hate come from?
 
Written By: mkultra
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My comments:

Cut MK a little slack - he gave us a nice little list of Obama’s accomplishments. Whether those are enough to run for president or not, that is another issue. I also suspect Sen. Obama himself is a little shocked at his current status - it’s almost like he’s being drafted for ’08. I’m sure he imagined his career path being a little slower right now.

I do think his interesting background and his relative lack of a record is propelling some of this excitement - people take what they want from him.

I did hear some lady on NPR being interviewed gushing that Obama talks about personal responsibility, and that she had not heard anything like that in years if not decades. Is it possible for someone to simply tune out the entire GOP platform from 1980 on?

To suggest that the overwhelming majority of black people who vote Democratic do so out of ignorance is both stupid and racist.


MK, he didn’t say that. He said the Democrats "don’t believe blacks who disagree with the Dem Party line are capable of thinking for themselves."
 
Written By: Harun
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Barak Obama is over 35 years old and was born in the United States, so he is "qualified" to be president. He also has one of the best implicit qualifications for the presidency: Almost no record to speak of.
 
Written By: DS
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Texas sucks, frankly.
Now that’s what I call detailed analysis.
 
Written By: DS
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Barak Obama is over 35 years old and was born in the United States, so he is "qualified" to be president. He also has one of the best implicit qualifications for the presidency: Almost no record to speak of.
And, of course, the last sentence is the key point, despite the fact that MK thinks that the fact that Obama turned all his library books in on time constitutes enough of a record for him.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
You didn’t answer my question.
Heh! The champion dodger complains about someone not answering questions!

First, since I’ve never claimed to be a lawyer, and in fact have clearly stated that I’ve not, it should be crystal clear that I’ve never tried cases. Since you know that, I regarded your question as purely rhetorical. The lack of need for an answer should have been obvious, but in your desperation to find something (anything!) to obscure the discussion and avoid having to make a substantive and relevant response, you of course seized on it.

Second, I do use lawyers, and they are necessary. I’ve even been consulted by lawyers in some cases involving technology, and I’ve had to work with opposing lawyers on hundreds of contracts, so I’m all too familiar with lawyers’ behavior. As a result, I am very, very fussy about the lawyers I’ll retain for my own needs, since a majority of them are, to put it bluntly, scum. Besides the reasons lawyers suck that I pointed out for that in the previous post (and to which you have carefully not responded), I’ve seen levels of incompetence in lawyers as bad as any other profession to which I’ve been exposed, except maybe in reporters and home contractors. Though lawyers give all a run for their money.

And the sheer irony of seeing you complain about people not answering questions!! You dodge every challenge I give you to pin down your position. So, Mr. "Hey, answer my question!", here’s a clearly stated one based on the previous response:

Why do you praise Nifong as "smart", when even you believe he is probably prosecuting/persecuting innocent college students? Is that what you consider smart behavior?

Now, I’ve put out my hypothesis. It’s that you’re a scummy lawyer, just like Nifong. That you give him "professional courtesy". That you believe your hallowed "legal process" is more important than the simple morality of doing what’s right. (Of course, you would think that. Almost all lawyers do, even some of the good ones. The fact that the system is totally rigged by lawyers in favor of lawyers never enters your mind.)
The schizophrenia of being a winger has made your mind mush, Billy. You hate what lawyers do, i.e., protect you from the government, but you also hate the government. Classic winger self loathing. McQ suffers from it too. Most wingers do. They hate the Nifongs, but love the Bushes.
You can say this, and then have to nerve to call others liars! I count five lies in this paragraph alone. Provable lies (at least provable to anyone who isn’t handicapped by being a lawyer):

1. I’m not a "winger", unless you’ve got some tortured definition of it that includes libertarians. (And I already said this earlier, so you have no excuse. "Argument by continued assertion" ought to be obviously faulty, even to a lawyer")

2. I certainly don’t hate it when lawyers protect us from the government. And I’m wondering how that even got into the discussion. Nifong certainly isn’t protecting those college students from the government!

3. Anybody who knows well me would laugh hysterically at the notion that I’m "self-loathing". (More projection from the leftist, perhaps?)

4. Same thing for McQ.

5. I don’t love the Bushes, and I’ve said so ad nauseum. Please, please, do me the favor of continuing to repeat this canard, since it’s a reliable channel marker for the objective reader that you are a bald-faced liar.

Thanks again, mk, for continuing to represent the most cartoonish version of a leftist I’ve seen in years. There are days I actually think some non-leftist is paying you to make the left look like lying, smearing, out-of-touch kooks, because you do such a good job of it.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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And is it was because Bush was governor, well, then let’s talk about Texas. Just another red state at the bottom of nearly every category that one can use to measure how good a state is. Texas sucks, frankly. And what did Bush do to make it better? Zero.
Sounds remarkably like President Clinton’s term in Arkansas. Except Arkansas stayed at the bottom of the barrel.
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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Texas sucks, frankly.
Now, now. Don’t confuse Austin with the rest of the state.

Although you would probably think that Austin didn’t suck.
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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Didn’t we just have a post talking about how Texas has the most poor immigration while actually decreasing its poor population?
 
Written By: ChrisB
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Nifong is going to skate. What matters is what he told the Grand Jury. But in North Carolina, Grand Juries don’t record any of the proceedings. So Nifong has a chance of spinning any DNA remark into claiming he informed the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury would need most of its members to testify that they solidly remembered differently.
 
Written By: jpm100
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Oversight? Good. In fact, a welcome change. An endless series of investigations into every possible aspect of the past? Not good, politically speaking. "The people", who seem to be demanding an end to partisanship and bickering, may punish those conducting the investigations instead of those subject to them. Fair warning.
The trouble, of course, is that most people can’t tell the difference between oversight and politically driven investigations, particularly when the Democrats have the investigative power.
 
Written By: Bithead
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The Reverend bit, by the way, is my ordainment as a minister in the Universal Life Church. The best five dollars I ever spent. Now that you know, I expect a litle more respect around here, because I am obviously more caring, compassionate, and sensitive than you clods.
Not really. I have been ordained in the ULC for several years, and have actually performed a few weddings as a ULC minister.

Cordially;
The Reverend Doctor E. Dale Franks Jr. DD
 
Written By: Dale Franks
URL: http://www.qando.net
MK, I’m not sure why pointing out that his pigmentation is the sole reason that everyone on the left is getting a stiffy over the guy is racist? You’re the one playing the tokenism game, not me. It’s the same as me suggesting that the only reason so many on the left fell in love with John Edwards was his prettyness.

To suggest that Obama would be a target for death if he declares is beyond the pale though. Your side is the one that fantasizes about killing their political enemies such as Bush and Rove.

Projecting a bit methinks.

 
Written By: shark
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"Obama scares the wllies out of wingers. My fear is that because he is black, they could get real ugly. I hope they don’t, but I fear they will."

Aren’t you usually accusing the folks here of being wingers? Why the change to third person? Just call a spade a spade.

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" Whoa!! Is it just me is it getting randy in here?"

I sure as heck hope so.

*******************************88

"how long did he work at this charity?"

It is the quality, not the quantity, of time that matters. I am sure his time there, brief though it was, was quite intense, loaded with meaningfullness and stuff.

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" Oh yeah ... and Dale could probably whip up a fancy diploma too ... from Clara’s Whorehouse, Law School and Chili Parlor (MK’s Alma Mater)."

I actually read some of his entries here, and I think I want to change schools. I can put up with mixing chili and lawyers, but that is just too much for my delicate sensibilities.

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"Not really. I have been ordained in the ULC for several years, and have actually performed a few weddings as a ULC minister."

Brother Dale!! You must have sprung for the fifty dollar deluxe package. I was asked once to perform a marriage, but I found you need a state license to perform them in W.Va. I havn’t kept in touch with the old alma mater, so tell me, is there an alumni newsletter? I was in the class of April 12, 1977, 8:02 PM(according to the postmark).

note; all dates herein are fictitious.

 
Written By: timactual
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Mk said
whoreheatedly
That is the second time you made that peculiar misspelling in a week. I guess that we have figured out your Alma Mater. McQ mentioned Clara’s whore house and I think that would fit.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Man, mk - I haven’t seen anybody melt down so fast since the last time I watched The Wizard of Oz. A little touchy about Obama, aren’t we? In any event, the point’s been made - Obama is riding high because:

- he’s good-looking;
- he’s black;
- he’s not a scary black like Al Sharpton;
- he pretends to care about religion;
- he makes people feel good.

(if only he were gay - he’d be unbeatable!)

And I must say, the "feel good" is the thing that annoys me the most about this fraud. It is not the business of the government to make people "hope" or "feel good" or "long for consensus." The government exists to stay the hell out of my life. It isn’t my nanny, even though people like mk prefer the government save us from ourselves. Obama is an empty suit, just like Deval Patrick, the new governor of Massachusetts. Whenever a politician talks about "hope," he means "look at the pretty stars while I pick your pocket."

But of course, you can see why poor mk thinks "wingers" are afraid of Obama. Look at how media attractive he is. Why, when he runs, all of the left will vote for him. Meanwhile, the RethugliKKKans will either vote for him because they don’t want people to think they’re racist, or, disgusted at a black man running a white man’s country, they’ll all stay home. Then Obama will win, Bush will be executed for war crimes, and all will be right in Tinfoilistan.
 
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