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McQ - Are you saying that Congress can’t make spending decisions like this? |
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Ugh
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big deal, so congress passes the bill. is kennedy figuring Bush will sign it? if not, is kennedy figuring he has the the votes to override Bush’s veto? if not, then this is nothing more than kennedy looking to score some points with the crazies on the left.
for all of kennedy’s and pelosi’s talk about how they’re going to do this and that, let’s not assume that the GOP Senators will roll over and not delay and filibuster. OK, my bad, it’s a given that they’ll roll over. But let’s not assume that Bush will roll over and not veto. OK, my bad, there’s little chance that Bush will stand up to Congress.
So... maybe there’s more to fear from kennedy’s bill and pelosi’s wish list than I had originally thought. |
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steve sturm
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Kennedy? Where is Sarah Chayes and NPR? Her dad helped him start Peace Corps and Green Berets.
Plame is suing about her book and the CIA review board as they announced using CIA operations officers in Africa. They are now over at DOD and the funds for those are tied to DOD or CIA? |
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Te
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Are you saying that Congress can’t make spending decisions like this?
That’s not what he’s saying ...
"...until Congress approves the president’s plan."
He’s claiming that the President has to submit and get his plan approved by Congress (obviously also claiming they have the right to "disapprove" it) before any spending decision will be made ... not the job of Congress.
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McQ
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big deal, so congress passes the bill. is kennedy figuring Bush will sign it? Well they’re not going to pass it which is why I said " Of course this isn’t going to fly, but it is instructive."
Come on people ... focus. |
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McQ
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The decision not to escalate is about the scope of the war, not the conduct of troops on the ground. For constitutional purposes, that makes all the difference. Congress can say they won’t fund escalate; they can’t condition funding on particular troop movements or battlefield strategies. |
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jpe
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Congress can do anything it can get away with, much like the President. These are not questions that the federal judiciary is going to want to get involved with.
Like most of what happens in DC, this is posturing. But unlike most posturing, which is just useless self-aggrandizement, this posturing seems to be intended to be a sharp check on the power of the President.
So let’s say that a DOD supplemental spending bill is in conference, and the conferees report out that they will not approve the bill until the SecDef testifies to a Congressional committee. Given the President’s current popularity numbers, Bush is not going to be able to embarrass the Congress into approving the bill.
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Francis
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Congress can say they won’t fund escalate; they can’t condition funding on particular troop movements or battlefield strategies. Right.
Congress can say they won’t fund whatever they choose not to fund, however they are not within their power to demand approval rights on a military plan or how and when soldier’s are deployed. That is what Kennedy is demanding. |
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McQ
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Given the President’s current popularity numbers, Bush is not going to be able to embarrass the Congress into approving the bill. No, but he can go ahead and send the troops and then embarrass the Congress into approving the bill and there is nothing Congress can do, Constitutionally, to stop him. |
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McQ
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Isn’t this precisely what the system of checks and balances is for? And shouldn’t the president justify his funding requests under that system, the way it was intended to work? How else is Congress to make the decision?
I think you’re misreading the intent of his words McQ. I don’t think he’s asking for battle plans, Ted is asking for a explanation about why our president thinks this will work in the face of overwhelming disagreement, even among the military. I don’t think that’s too much to ask. |
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Libby Spencer
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My apologies McQ. It appears you’re right after all. Talk Left makes a good argument for your view. |
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Libby Spencer
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Appreciate the link, Libby ... I’ve included it in the update. |
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McQ
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You’re welcome. Thanks for the h/t McQ.
Libby - The Impolitic |
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Libby Spencer
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Congress can say they won’t fund whatever they choose not to fund, however they are not within their power to demand approval rights on a military plan or how and when soldier’s are deployed. That is what Kennedy is demanding.
Congress can cut off funding for any reason it likes, period. The Constitution does not stipulate for what reasons the Congress shall approve or deny funding, simply that it has the power to do so.
Congress can demand approval rights but has no Constitutional means to enforce that demand other than cutting off funding. That’s how the system works and as much as I dislike Ted Kennedy he has done nothing even mildly un-Constitutional in this instance. |
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DS
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