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Congressional Resolutions: With all due respect ...
Posted by: mcq on Wednesday, February 14, 2007

To Sec Def Gates and Gen. Pace, these troops obviously are not supportive of the pending resolutions that condemn their mission and if you listen carefully it becomes clear it does effect their morale:



It makes me sick. I was born and raised a Democrat, but when I see that, it just ... makes me sad.” – First Sgt Louis Barnum

Don't feel like the Lone Ranger, First Sergeant. Unfortunately, I've lived through this before.
 
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I did ten months in Iraq and knew guys who didn’t make it back. I don’t support the right wing extremists running this country and never did. I followed orders and participated in a mission I believed to be deeply flawed because I believe in the principle that the military carries out the policy that the civilian leadership sets out, not the other way around. The idea that policy makers should worry about what the troops think is just bizarre and could only be supported by people who oppose constitutional democracy.

What does sicken me is seeing Republican politicians shamelessly using the military as a shield to protect them from criticism and accountability for their numerous failures. Hey GOPers, stop hiding behind the troops. It’s a cowardly act.
 
Written By: Big Red One
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Still beating this tired old dog, McQ? I suppose we should just suspend all democratic debate over the war until it’s over, seeing as how anything else might hurt troop morale. Has it ever occured to you that the reason normal democratic debate might be hurting troop morale is because a bunch of opportunistic Republican politicians have spent the last 5 decades demagoguing the hell of this issue? People have been repeating this tired, illogical canard for so long that a good percentage of the population has internalized it, despite its inherent illogic. Maybe it’s time to stop perpetuating this self-reinforcing myth.
 
Written By: Anonymous Liberal
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It makes me sick. I was born and raised a Democrat, but when I see that, it just ... makes me sad." - First Sgt Louis Barnum
BE QUIET AND BE GRATEFUL YOU MERCENARY!!



 
Written By: shark
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Which side created the chickenhawk meme?

That is where it all started: remember, only those who serve can hold an opinion.

Now that we see the large amount of those who do serve hold opinions contrary to the left, the new meme is that soldier’s should shut up and their opinions don’t matter. Sorry, Big Red One, thank you for your service, but your opinion is no longer valid or interesting like it would have been, say 6 months ago.

 
Written By: Harun
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BR1:
The idea that policy makers should worry about what the troops think is just bizarre and could only be supported by people who oppose constitutional democracy.
Two comments:

1. Troops vote too.
2. Troop morale directly affects their ability to execute policy.

So, policy-makers have some reason to care what the troops think.
What does sicken me is seeing Republican politicians shamelessly using the military as a shield to protect them from criticism and accountability for their numerous failures.
Accountability would be refreshing, but what the supporters of this non-binding resolution are doing is not accountability. Nor is it constructive criticism. It’s political CYA in case things go badly.

Unless, that is, you see some productive end coming from the resolution itself, in which case, I’m listening.

Otherwise, I’m going to keep on believing that politicians are doing something that doesn’t help anyone but themselves at the expense of the very troops they claim to support. And I’d hope you want to change someone’s mind when you comment (or else, what’s the point?), so do your best to enlighten me.
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AnonLib:
I suppose we should just suspend all democratic debate over the war until it’s over, seeing as how anything else might hurt troop morale.
It’s not black-and-white, either "debate anything" or "debate nothing." If this war’s really a bad idea, let’s see what the critics want to do about it. If they want to take an action that will not stop the war, but may hurt troop morale, how do they justify that? What good is that "debate"?

I’m all for real debate. Let them discuss how they plan on solving the perceived problem. Then we’ll at least have an alternative that can be judged on its merits.
Has it ever occured to you that the reason normal democratic debate might be hurting troop morale is because a bunch of opportunistic Republican politicians have spent the last 5 decades demagoguing the hell of this issue? [...] Maybe it’s time to stop perpetuating this self-reinforcing myth.
Regardless of whether or not it’s a good thing, it’s not a myth if it’s self-fulfilling, is it? You have to deal with the world you have, not the one you wish you had, agreed?
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
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Has it ever occured to you that the reason normal democratic debate might be hurting troop morale is because a bunch of opportunistic Republican politicians have spent the last 5 decades demagoguing the hell of this issue?
What the hell are you talking about?
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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Still beating this tired old dog, McQ?
Getting harder and harder to ignore it, isn’t it AL?

But I’ll give you credit, you continue to try along with most of the other Democrats who "support the troops but not the mission".
 
Written By: McQ
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Unfortunately, I’ve lived through this before.
I’ve got to point out that wanting the Democrats to have more influence in Washington makes what you’ve been through before more likely to happen again.

Thanks, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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wanting the Democrats to have more influence in Washington
Well, wanting it and getting it anyway.

Yours, TDP, ml msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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I’ve got to point out that wanting the Democrats to have more influence in Washington makes what you’ve been through before more likely to happen again.
Keep flogging that straw horse, Tom.
 
Written By: McQ
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Keep flogging that straw horse, Tom.
Keep imagining that it’s working out the way you thought it would, or that you didn’t get what you wanted.

What else did you think you’d get with more a majority of Democrats in the House? What makes you think a Senate with this many extra blue dog Democrats is functionally different than one full of a lot more RINOs?

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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