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BBC smacks "Loose Change" and "Truthers" around a bit
Posted by: McQ on Monday, February 19, 2007

You recall the post last week in which I dared to mention that "Loose Change", the internet conspiracy theory movie, wasn't "the truth?"

Well the BBC takes a look at it and the whole "Truther" movement, and to say it finds them and their facts wanting, well, that'd be an understatement.

So for the "Loose Change" folks, here's another video you can watch (excerpts from the BBC film):

As one of the "Truthers" said to me in an email, "amazing what a little research can do".

My answer?

Indeed.

Oh, oh ... and you're going to especially love the "Popular Mechanics" line in the film. It's classic.

(HT: LGF)

UPDATE [Dale]: And, as a special treat, the videos are now visible to Firefox users!
 
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Oh no, McQ. Get ready for the flood...5-4-3-2...
 
Written By: cjd
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Why, McQ, why?!

Heh. *looks at the banner ad above that says, "Earn Revenue with AdSense"*
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
URL: http://www.qando.net
You can’t win when talking to those people. They’ll blow off any evidence you bring to bear. They’ll refuse to acknowledge any logical flaws or fallacies in their own position. If you throw up your hands and walk off, they’ll say it’s because of their overwhelming logic.

I’m constantly amused at how similar debating conspiracy theorists can be to debating creationists. The emotional experiences of trying to engage them with a reasoned opinion are very similar. Their reaction to contrary evidence is also similar.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Great, here come the usual suspects with 9/11 set on their google news watch again. Trotting out the same disproved "evidence" and logical fallacies. Such a waste of time, especially when we know without a shadow of a doubt who we should really be blaming for the attacks.
 
Written By: ChrisB
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Interesting to see the 23 year old who made "Loose Change" disregard what people who were actually at the site say . . . if he can use what they say to further his agenda, he does, but if it conflicts with his agenda, it is ignored.
 
Written By: Don
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"Yeah, he says that, yeah he says that...." Wait, didn’t you just quote this guy for what he said?

Classic line from someone who needs to call another a liar but is too cowardly to say so. Why can’t he just say "aw, he’s lying"? Too stark?
 
Written By: Jinnmabe
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Great, great analysis from the BBC. I wish everyone who saw "Loose Change" could see this.
 
Written By: John Norris Brown
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Classic line from someone who needs to call another a liar but is too cowardly to say so. Why can’t he just say "aw, he’s lying"? Too stark?
His problem is that the later statements undercut the conspiracy theory. Yet he still needs the initial statements—taken out of context—to support the theory.

And he has no argument to show that the later statements are lies.

Fortunatly, he’s a conspiracy theorist; means that absense of evidence is really evidence of a very, very crafty, nefareous theory. Probably including Jews, bankers, or worse yet, Neocons.
 
Written By: Don
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"nefareous theory" should be "nefareous conspiracy".
 
Written By: Don
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You folks can be blind if you want to be but when the Gray Aliens are knocking on your door, under the guise of a warrant from Bu$hCo & Co. you’ll wish you’d have paid more attention!

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!
 
Written By: Joe
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Man Joe, I first thought you said "Gay Alians".
 
Written By: Don
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Oh man, you are right - the Popular Mechanics line has me clutching my sides!
 
Written By: Wulf
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"Gay Alians".
I can’t quit you, Martian...

;-)
 
Written By: meagain
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my favorite part was the interviewer saying "yes- it was a similie..." waiting a minute and then having to try and hint at what a similie was.
 
Written By: Some Guy in Chicago
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Well that’s a fairly uncritical take on a piece of BBC reporting.
 
Written By: thyu
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Here they come...
 
Written By: cjd
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Well that’s a fairly uncritical take on a piece of BBC reporting.
Ummm, yes, it is. Assuming you know what a similie is, why Popular Mechanics may be taken more seriously than a college dropout and understand what misquoting means, what did you find to criticize?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Gosh darn it, everybody knows that rational thought means that you viciously attack everything everybody on the Official Enemies List says, regardless of what that may be, and you unreservedly support everything everybody on your Official Friends List says, at all costs, no matter what they say.

Also, nobody can ever be moved from one list to another, ever. And there are only those two lists, nothing in between.

Anything less is irrational.
 
Written By: Jeremy Bowers
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So, who do you think you’re describing with that subtle sarcasm, there, Jeremy?
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
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OK. The Popular Mechanics line left me rolling, too.

"TRACTORS?!"
 
Written By: Dale Franks
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I like tractors.
 
Written By: JWG
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Bryan, perusing Jeremy’s site, I’m gonna guess he was making fun of the "truthers" if you want to call them that.
 
Written By: ChrisB
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Joe - is this a good time to discuss realty vs friction?
 
Written By: looker
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Well that’s a fairly uncritical take on a piece of BBC reporting.
And you know, when someone—anyone—claims:

2+2=4

I’m not critical either. Even when the person making the claim is a foaming moonbat.

 
Written By: Don
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Looks like Bruce left out the keyword 9/11 in the post so we’re not getting any "truthers" swarming in.
 
Written By: ChrisB
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. . . a college dropout . . .
At some level, he did a good job. Of promotion, editing, or whatever. Maybe just in selecting a topic where he had a nitch audience (even if a deranged one).

I’m not claiming he gets anything right, applies good logic or reason to the topic at hand, or in fact gets anything right from a factual perspective.

But he obviously did do something right, from a marketing/entertainment perspective. It makes sense that Hollywood would like him.
 
Written By: Don
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ChrisB -
Bryan, perusing Jeremy’s site, I’m gonna guess he was making fun of the "truthers" if you want to call them that.
Just seems kind of odd, considering that in the video, somebody does move from the "truthers’" Official Friends List (or at least, somebody credible enough to include in their documentary) to the Official Enemies List ("yeah, I’m sure he says that," etc.). So my first instinct was to go on the defensive. Perhaps I was wrong.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
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Bryan,

I suspect that the "truthers" will continue to quote the guy in question. They may point out that he since changed his story, more evidence of the powerful conspiracy . . .
 
Written By: Don
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