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A World without America
Posted by: McQ on Friday, February 23, 2007

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Undeniable.

I’d particularly like to see Erb attempt to respond.
 
Written By: Bithead
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Appreciated, but nobody knows what the world would be like without us. Maybe another country would have (due to the US not being there to help) overthrown their government and started the grand experiment and done a better job at it than we could even imagine.

However, the gist seems to be that America has done many good things and that they (the good things) are overlooked because of a few disagreeable things. It’s nice to know there are still friends overseas, though.
 
Written By: Robb Allen
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It’s nice to know there are still friends overseas, though.

Agreed, Robb. I don’t know that it will do much to sway people, though. The one portion that I felt would actually enrage people even more is the part that says, "A world without America would be a world without: Israel". I can only imagine teh crazee that would result from that bit!
 
Written By: cjd
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"YANQI, GO HOME!!! (and take me with you...)"
 
Written By: D
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I shall channel Joe:

Israel wouldn’t exist? Wouldn’t removing the Zio-Nazi occupiers of Palestine lead to immediate peace in the region, nay, the world?

Ehhhh, not so good.

I suspect this ad will mainly be preaching to the choir, though there are always a few people who might be swayed.
 
Written By: Harun
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I shall channel Joe:

Israel wouldn’t exist? Wouldn’t removing the Zio-Nazi occupiers of Palestine lead to immediate peace in the region, nay, the world?
Actually, you’re channeling John Edwards....
 
Written By: shark
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I’m very glad for the existance of America and like Robb I think this does a good job of playing up the things that America has done in our world.

However, the practical reality of the non-existance of America is far from as simple as the advert makes out, for starters they would have to start the divergent history from a point far before 1959 (or WWII). Similarly one has to wonder whether the nonexistance of a single person (let alone a nation) would have any bearing on the scientific discoveries of the world. It has been argued that even without Newcomen and Watt the steam engine would have been invented and there are numerous examples of very similar inventions/discoveries appearing almost simultaneously in different parts of the world. It is almost as if the state of knowledge reaches a point in the world where things fall into place naturally.
 
Written By: Kav
URL: http://livingrealworld.blogspot.com
Israel wouldn’t exist? Wouldn’t removing the Zio-Nazi occupiers of Palestine lead to immediate peace in the region, nay, the world?


Thats a truly short sited view. Is your contention that the Iran/Iraq conflict would not have occurred with out Israel?

What about the past thousand years of various factions bickering over which line of Islam is the correct one.

This is a fluffy piece of pro American propaganda. But its nice to know someone out there is actually doing pro American anything.


GeekHeretic
 
Written By: GeekHeretic
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Geek, Harun was pretending to give an anti-Israeli leftist comment. It wasn’t serious.
 
Written By: JWG
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Beat me to it, JWG.
 
Written By: cjd
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Kav, they probably picked post WWII as the starting point their audience might remember.

Not to be a Britophile, but I think it can be strongly argued the Empire might have turned out different if we hadn’t decided to practice taxation with representation. Considering they held on into the 20th century without us anyway.

But is is nice to know someone besides Hugo Chavez loves us eh?
 
Written By: looker
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Well, I’ve never taken compliments well, so anything complimentary of my home country is thus slightly uncomfortable, but that’s more a putting an obsessive emphasis on humility.

Trying to dissect the logic of the counterfactual proposition isn’t really possible since too much isn’t explained about why no United States of America exists and the consequences thereof, and it also wouldn’t be fruitful as that isn’t the point.

The United States certainly has a right to many feathers in its cap, but I’ve never seen much point in thinking much about the good things most of the time since it is the mistakes and bad thing that seem most important since they offer the most to be learned and corrected. Things that you’ve done well don’t need to be corrected, although they bear critical study so as to determine the origins of their success and potential enhancements of like future efforts.

It is bothersome when people from other nations trumpet off lists of misdeeds by the United States because they generally do it in bad faith, blithely deriding the union as if it were an abstract monolith without any people to be aggravated by sneering international invective, but when Americans fixate upon the national achievements, they can easily seem to be acts of willful delusion and self-congradulation, which of course can bother folks like I who think the pinnacle of greatness is a humble nation too secure in its worthiness to need to strut about proclaiming its own magnificence. Of course, others conceive such matters differently, a difference of ethos that has been the blind other of much meaningless bickering.
 
Written By: Paludicola
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79 - Love the moustache.
 
Written By: unaha-closp
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The United States certainly has a right to many feathers in its cap, but I’ve never seen much point in thinking much about the good things most of the time since it is the mistakes and bad thing that seem most important since they offer the most to be learned and corrected.
Sure.

Try running a company or leading a team where the only g*dd*mn*d thing that you do is beat ’em up for their mistakes. See how long the good things you ignore stick around.
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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Flacy, if you read the next sentence of Paludicola’s comment - Things that you’ve done well don’t need to be corrected, although they bear critical study so as to determine the origins of their success and potential enhancements of like future efforts. - you will see that he wouldn’t run a company by ignoring the good things.
 
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