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Dumb politics
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, March 01, 2007

Seems House Democrats were out maneuvered on this one:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has postponed until at least next week action on a resolution that would place embattled Rep. William J. Jefferson on the Homeland Security Committee after Republicans said they would demand a roll call vote that could be potentially embarrassing for some Democrats.

Leadership aides confirmed Thursday that the vote has been tentatively scheduled for sometime next week.

Democrats acknowledged that their move to give the seat to the Louisiana Democrat, who is under federal investigation for bribery, would not happen via the simple and fast unanimous consent motion they had planned to offer.

Instead, every Democrat will now have to go on record on Jefferson’s appointment, which could be particularly difficult for some freshmen member who ran last November on an anti-corruption platform.

“It’s a tough vote for some of our guys,” said a Democratic aide familiar with the situation. “But in the end, we’re going to just have to do it.”
Yup. They're just going to have to "do it". And everyone of them who votes to seat Jefferson will be invited by the rest of us never to again mention a word about cleaning up the "culture of corruption", thankyouverymuch.
 
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Yup. They’re just going to have to "do it". And everyone of them who votes to seat Jefferson will be invited by the rest of us never to again mention a word about cleaning up the "culture of corruption", thankyouverymuch
....or expressing seriousness regarding Homeland Security....


Not so easy to govern is it Madame Speaker?
 
Written By: shark
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Jefferson is certainly a disgrace to the US Congress, but his district re-elected him and he’s constitutionally entitled to a committee seat. He was already kicked off of the much more powerful Ways & Means committee and his Katrina-ravaged district really needs representation on Homeland Security, which, as I understand it, has oversight over the reconstructions. Exactly what is an appropriate committee for a guy about to be indicted for massive bribery? And why the hell hasn’t DOJ brought charges yet?
 
Written By: Badger
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I don’t think anyone is entitled to a committee seat.
 
Written By: Firehand
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he’s constitutionally entitled to a committee seat
It’s been awhile since my high school govt class, which part of the constitution is that entitlement found in?
 
Written By: ChrisB
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Jefferson is certainly a disgrace to the US Congress, but his district re-elected him and he’s constitutionally entitled to a committee seat. He was already kicked off of the much more powerful Ways & Means committee and his Katrina-ravaged district really needs representation on Homeland Security, which, as I understand it, has oversight over the reconstructions. Exactly what is an appropriate committee for a guy about to be indicted for massive bribery?
Gotta love talking points!
 
Written By: shark
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"...his Katrina-ravaged district really needs representation on Homeland Security, which, as I understand it, has oversight over the reconstructions."


NOW I see why his constituents re-elected him. "Let the good times roll!"
 
Written By: notherbob2
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And everyone of them who votes to seat Jefferson will be invited by the rest of us never to again mention a word about cleaning up the "culture of corruption", thankyouverymuch.
What makes you think they are the least bit interested in bringing up the "culture of corruption" issue now? The lobbyist money is rolling in and the "swamp" they so lambasted in the campaign is, really, a hot tub.
 
Written By: D
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Chris:

Shoot, I could have sworn that was a Constitutional provision, but it may just be a house rule. If that’s the case and simply assigning Jefferson to no seat at all is an option then I agree that that’s the right thing to do.

Shark

You can shut up with that talking points mullarky right now. Just because I’m saying stuff you disagree with and at times align with Democratic Party positions, doesn’t mean I’m reciting talking points or incapable of thinking independantly. Your own comments frequently match up with GOP talking points and I give you the benefit of the doubt of being able to think independantly. I’d appreciate similar consideration.
 
Written By: Badger
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How have the Democrats gotten themselves into the position of being actually embarrassed to vote for so many things, up to and including significant platform planks? Is this the path to impressing the public and retaining power?
 
Written By: Jeremy Bowers
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You can shut up with that talking points mullarky right now. Just because I’m saying stuff you disagree with and at times align with Democratic Party positions, doesn’t mean I’m reciting talking points or incapable of thinking independantly. Your own comments frequently match up with GOP talking points and I give you the benefit of the doubt of being able to think independantly. I’d appreciate similar consideration.
Must have hit a nerve.
 
Written By: Don
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Yes, Don, being insulted sticks in my craw a bit, in fact. Shark has used this tactic in other threads, although I suppose I should appreciate the fact that he’s no longer doing it in ALL CAPS.
 
Written By: Badger
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Badger,

He should essentially be shunned by his party and asked to resign his seat, minimum.

In fact, the party should be planning to run someone against him during his next primary and maybe requesting Soros to allocate 10 million dollars to defeat him.

Now, then I would be very impressed.

But the bare minimum would be to not give him any committees. The fact that Pelosi tried to get him another one is telling.

 
Written By: Harun
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You can shut up with that talking points mullarky right now. Just because I’m saying stuff you disagree with and at times align with Democratic Party positions, doesn’t mean I’m reciting talking points or incapable of thinking independantly.
If you say so. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt from now on, but I will note the similarities are pretty good.

PS- Don’t take it personal.
 
Written By: shark
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This is really an example of an issue political junkies fixate upon, but which in the broad scheme of things has no impact.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
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Shark, I think that Badger is an unknowing dupe of the LN (as opposed to Professor Erb who has bought the LN hook, etc.). Badger is on-to the "talking points" concept, but doesn’t yet realize that his whole universe (the LN) is out of sync with reality. If he sticks around and listens up, he just may be salvageable. For my money, he seems a typical liberal elitist out slumming, so I wouldn’t bet on it. Still, he does show promise. So, I think you are correct to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Based on what we know of liberal elitists, prepare, however, for a disapointment.

Just "previewed" this and caught Professor Erb’s take on this issue. Like most thrals of the LN (recall the Kerry "unsubstantiated" days) Professor Erb is conditioned to contribute "move along, nothing to see here" to this issue.

In my experience, 10,000 liberals all intoning "move along..." is an unmistakeable indication of truth.
 
Written By: notherbob2
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This is really an example of an issue political junkies fixate upon, but which in the broad scheme of things has no impact.
You’re right, Mr. Erb, it really doesn’t matter that a Congressman being investigated for bribery gets the full support of his party.

Of course, were Jefferson a Republican, you’d be calling full-throated for his expulsion.

But I guess it also doesn’t matter that a self-described college professor has no sense of ethics or outrage.
 
Written By: Steverino
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Power 1 , Ethics 0. So, Scott, the leadership of a political party tells its members to support a bid to increase party control over the legislative process by getting a party member a committee seat, even though this party member is possibly (I’d go as far as to say quite likely) corrupt and unethical, and despite that fact that the enforcement of ethical behaviour was the clarion call for the last election cycle. How does this "have no impact"?

If nothing else it is a clear indicator of just how serious the party leadership takes its commitment to ethics, Not to mention the fact that commitee members have significantly more power than a legislator who doesn’t sit on any committees and can often kill bills before they make it to the floor for open debate.
 
Written By: Lysenko
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CNN did a piece on this (I was only watching because I was at the gym). I kept waiting for them to mention a freezer, but they never did.



 
Written By: Dave
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