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The Iran position
Posted by: McQ on Monday, March 05, 2007

Today's quiz. Who said each quote?

Quote 1:
X said global leaders must do whatever it takes to stop Iran from enriching uranium and acquiring nuclear weapons. He called Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "reckless, irresponsible and inattentive" to the day-to-day needs of the Iranian people.

The Iranian "regime is a threat to all of us," X said.

While X wouldn't rule out force, he said the United States should engage in "aggressive diplomacy combined with tough sanctions" to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear threat.
Quote 2:
Y says all options, including the use of force, are "on the table" to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

However, he stressed that the US was trying to resolve the issue of Iran's nuclear ambitions "diplomatically".

He was speaking after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad gave a speech threatening to "cut off the hand of the aggressor" if Iran was attacked.

"All options are on the table," Y said as he responded to a question .... about ... US ... military action.

Y called for "a united effort with countries who recognise the danger of Iran having a nuclear weapon,"...
Quote 1, of course, is from Barack Obama. When he said that, he was given a standing ovation.

Quote 2 is from George Bush. When he said that the left flipped out sure that meant he was planning an attack on Iran.

You tell me ... what is the difference in these two positions?
 
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The difference is that George Bush has a history of freaking out over percieved enemies and spending billions of dollars and thousands of lives on ill concieved and badly implemented adventures.

Obama has no history.
 
Written By: cindyb
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It really makes no difference when 1600 PA Ave. is possessed by war criminals of either party... the US has become an agressor nation that must be stopped, by her electorate or by the world....

Brought to for Dr. Erb, as PS 322 "The Problem-Solving Paradigm of the UN" is running a bit long today.
 
Written By: Joe
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So, what you’re saying, cindy, is that there’s no difference in the positions. Same foxhole, only one guy has let the lead out, while the other has yet to stick his head out.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
URL: http://www.qando.net
Obama has no history.
No kidding. Yet there is a significant percentage of the population ready to toss him the keys to the White House.


 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
You tell me ... what is the difference in these two positions
That Bush = Hitler and Obama = Our beneficient Future Ruler?
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
The War on Terrorism was lost November 7th, 2000 (or somewhat later if you count when it actually ended) when somebody the press doesn’t like won the election, and it was re-lost in 2004 when somebody the press doesn’t like retained office. No fact after that matters; it was pre-ordained then that any military action taken would be failures, all policies would backfire horribly, and that the economy would be horrible.

I’m 90% confident that had somebody wearing a (D) after their name behaved exactly like Bush (and there have been some rather (D) stances he’s taken, like on illegal immigration), we’d hardly be able to turn on the TV without Bush(D) being praised for his incredible leadership, resolve, and vision. (Biggest exception: The judges he nominated.)

(OK, while I don’t entirely agree with this, there is a strong element of truth to it; I think this is actually the root reason the liberals have been "forced" to take on so many fundamentally illiberal positions lately, because God forbid they agree with Bush at all on any position whatsoever. Come on, siding with fundamentalist gay-bashing genocidal racists? Is there really a reason for this beyond "the enemy of my enemy is my friend, apparently even if he’s also my mortal enemy"?)

(Also note the economy storyline, after some tortured iterations of "It’s bad when the interest rates go up, and it’s bad when they go down, and then it’s bad again when they go up", got so untenable that it has been almost entirely dropped. Of course, if we had Bush(D), we’d be hearing a lot more about the economy... this is probably good in a way, though, irrational exuberance is probably not something we need again right now.)
 
Written By: Jeremy Bowers
URL: http://www.jerf.org/iri
How much more experience did Bush have in 2000 than Obama has now? How much better did we know Bush in 2000 than we know Obama? The only issue that the Gore and Bush campaigns diferentiated themselves on was retiree healthcare. Other than that, the election was a compassionate conservatives against a fiscally conservative liberal.

How many of the people who voted for Bush in 2000 thought that he was "the uniter not the divider" who "didn’t believe in nation building". Who would have guessed that he was a bible thumping, military adventurer and who believed that "deficits didn’t matter"?

We don’t know obama and people will vote for him. We didn’t know Bush either and see where that got us.





 
Written By: cindyb
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How much more experience did Bush have in 2000 than Obama has now?
Well gee, Cindy, he’d been the governor of one of the largest states in the union for 8 years. That’s called ’executive experience.’

What executive experience does Obama have?
We don’t know obama and people will vote for him.
And I assume you to believe this to be a good thing?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
The only issue that the Gore and Bush campaigns diferentiated themselves on was retiree healthcare.

And Tax Cuts....Dubya for them, AlGore for targeted tax cuts for those that bought a Prius and installed solar heating but earned less than $100,000 per year and occupied 2,000 Ft-squared of living space....
How many of the people who voted for Bush in 2000 thought that he was "the uniter not the divider"
Well if he was so inocuous why the great hulla-baloo about counting every vote (for AlGore?) And you have to ahve folks who want to be UNITED, rather than wondering around saying "Selected not Elected."
who "didn’t believe in nation building".

You’re right we didn’t...we were wrong.
Who would have guessed that he was a bible thumping, military adventurer and who believed that "deficits didn’t matter"?

Unlike that Clinton fellow whose last budgets to Democratic Congress saw deficits INDEFINITELY or that Clinton fellow that bombed Serbia, Afghanistan, the Sudan, and Iraq-the later repeatedly and then signed the Iraq Liberation Act? Now I will say he wasn’t a Bible thumper, I mean he liked people, interns, on their knees, but the Bible well that didn’t ahve much to do with it....
We don’t know obama and people will vote for him. We didn’t know Bush either and see where that got us.
So to recap your position to vote for a Bush, an unkown, BAD...to vote for an Obama, Unknown, GOOD...so Logic, you failed that class right CindyB?
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
How much more experience did Bush have in 2000 than Obama has now?
Yeah - that whole ’governor of Texas thing’... completely irrelevant.

the election was a compassionate conservatives against a fiscally conservative liberal.
Al Gore = fiscally conservative liberal???? Is it hot under that tinfoil hat?
How many of the people who voted for Bush in 2000 thought that he was "the uniter not the divider" who "didn’t believe in nation building". Who would have guessed that he was a bible thumping, military adventurer and who believed that "deficits didn’t matter"?
Umm, a lot of us thought certain things about W in 2000. And a lot of us were tired of the whole Clinton debacle, and a lot of us were just plain FRIGHTENED of Al Gore. Oh yeah, and wasn’t there a little something that happened about 9 months after W took office that changed the course of history? Oh wait, Bush wanted that to happen so he could become a nation builder. Got it.

 
Written By: meagain
URL: http://
Now I will say he wasn’t a Bible thumper,
But he sure made quite the show of going to church with that big ostentatious bible in plan view for the cameras.

It’s ok to use the bible for a prop rather than actually believe in the thing I suppose.
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
So to recap your position to vote for a Bush, an unkown, BAD...to vote for an Obama, Unknown, GOOD...so Logic, you failed that class right CindyB?
It’s the same logic on display in the post regarding nationalized healthcare and the VA problems...
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
Obama will bomb ’em because the left will give him a free pass. They’ll support anything to keep from having another Bush in the White House. As you remember, the Iraq campaign was a Democratic idea from the Clinton administration.
 
Written By: Jason Pappas
URL: http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/

 
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