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Shhhh .... things are getting better in Iraq
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, March 07, 2007

From ABC News:
Kudos to ABC for reporting on more than just the latest bomb going off.

Even NBC is getting into the act. Launch the video.
 
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No no no
Failed policy, failure in Iraq, failure, failure, failure.
Help me Scott, help me!
 
Written By: looker
URL: http://
"The majority of people are timid by nature, and that is why they constantly exaggerate danger. All influences on the military leader, therefore, combine to give him a false impression of his opponent’s strength, and from this arises a new source of indecision." Carl von Clausewitz
In all reporting the bad gets more attention than the good. "Dog bites man" is unremarkable, while "Man bites dog" gets covered. It is to be expected that news from Iraq will emphasize the bad occurrences, rather than the sucesses.
 
Written By: James E. Fish
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Don’t you guys get tired of being wrong? Seriously. You’ve been posting this stuff (and I looked back over quite a while) about progress in Iraq, signs of improvement in Iraq, good news from Iraq, etc., for YEARS. Yet you know what? It’s been steady deterioration since the fall of 2003. 10 GIs were killed yesterday, almost 100 Iraqis continued to be killed daily in sectarian violence. The Mahdi army is laying low, knowing that they will be here after the US is gone. The Iraqi government and military is infiltrated at every level, corruption is intense, and the sectarian hatreds are at a level which it will take a generation to undo. Scour the internet for a positive story — you’re simply looking for evidence to back up what you want to believe. You need to seriously consider the possibility that you’ve been wrong.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
And your wealth of information of course is gathered first hand, oh mighty one?

Whereas the guys in this video, well, they’re sitting at some college in Maine, gleaning their information from the internet and the American mainstream media outlets.

Yes, I can see how you would be right, and these guys would have to be wrong.

 
Written By: looker
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You need to seriously consider the possibility that you’ve been wrong.
Try saying this while looking in the mirror Scott - it might help!
 
Written By: meagain
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Re: Don’t you guys ever get tired of getting it wrong

The people who are getting it wrong are the ones who site 10 soldiers getting killed yesterday. That’s 140,000 soldiers who didn’t get killed yesterday, or ever. Oh! A bomb went off in Baghdad... that’s news? The real news is that the Mahdi army is in hiding and their supplies are being seized. Their safe houses are being stripped clean. Iraqi citizens are turning them in as fast as they can. You think it’s an accident that their fearless leader split for Iran?
The real news is that there are fewer than a few thousand US troops in the northern areas of Iraq. The Kurdish provinces are experiencing an economic boom that is spreading throughout Iraq. Men are regularly trucked up to Kurdistan to find work, which is readily available. The men take their money home and spread tales of what prosperity looks like.
The real news is that Tikrit (the home of Saddam) is peaceful and under the control of the Iraqiis. The real news is that the 26 million people of Iraq are living with a much higher GNP that ever. Ther real news is that electricity is available in more areas than ever. The real news is that over 3 milliuon automobiles have been sold in Iraq since the downfall of the butcher.
The real news is that Al-Qaida continues to be crushed with the cooperation of the Iraqi people. The real news is that BILLIONS of dollars has poured into Iraq to build their economy. The real news is that there are now several hundred newspapers available on the free streets of Iraq. The real news is that the mass graves of the Saddam era are being invesitaged and tghe guilty are being rounded up to face trial.
The real news is that the mass murderer and his two psychotic sons are DEAD, and they will kill no more innocent people in that tortured land.
The real news is that our intervention led to this. The cup is not half empty... it is more than half full.
Too bad some people will simply never learn that. They refuse to.
 
Written By: kevin barry
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Kevin,

How does any of that help to undermine George Bush and the Republicans? You need to keep the end goal in sight, and stop with the inconvinient facts . . .
 
Written By: Don
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Don’t you guys get tired of being wrong? Seriously. You’ve been posting this stuff (and I looked back over quite a while) about progress in Iraq, signs of improvement in Iraq, good news from Iraq, etc., for YEARS. Yet you know what? It’s been steady deterioration since the fall of 2003.
You know what Scott, that is what is called a non sequiter. There has been progress, we have seen signs of improvement, good news, etc., for years. None of that is incompatible with a steady deterioration.

Of course that things have been in steady deterioration is ridiculous. The real world almost never only goes one way. Things have gone up and down. Things are looking up now, and may go back down again for reasons such as these:
The Mahdi army is laying low, knowing that they will be here after the US is gone. The Iraqi government and military is infiltrated at every level, corruption is intense, and the sectarian hatreds are at a level which it will take a generation to undo.
To put it another way, McQ considers the outcome uncertain, and for the reasons you note, but also notes some reasons for optimism. Seems pretty balanced and accurate to me.

You however, unlike McQ (who gives negative and discouraging news and analysis about Iraq on a regular basis) consider even bringing such things up an affront, a sign of delusion. Only bad news and discouraging trends can be mentioned. That is pretty unbalanced and distorted. Balanced versus unbalanced.
 
Written By: Lance
URL: http://asecondhandconjecture.com
Indicators seem to point to an increasingly serious Iraqi government
That is the title to a post shortly preceding this one, and you note nothing inaccurate about this post either I notice. You just think it is wrong to even point out that there are positive signs.

I want you to read the title above carefully. Note the word seem. That is typical McQ. It is also accurate. The "indicators seem," which implies it could be false. Increasingly serious, which does not mean serious enough, but maybe. See, a reasonable appraisal of progress, though that does in no way guarantee eventual success, and it certainly does not posit success will be achieved anytime soon if it is possible. Who is the one note Charlie, the see only what we want to see person here? You or McQ? You are so locked into your own narrative you can’t even really see what McQ is saying and thus argue with a strawman.
 
Written By: Lance
URL: http://asecondhandconjecture.com

 
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