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Is nothing sacred?
Posted by: mcq on Thursday, March 15, 2007

What!!

Bad news from the Emerald Isle:
But the cliche of the Irish pub filled with Guinness drinkers is giving way to a different picture as new wealth, new opportunities and immigration transform tastes and drinking habits in one of Europe's fastest growing economies.

Alongside the decline of Guinness is an increasing appetite for wine, spirits, cider and imported beer.

"You'll still sell Guinness, but you'll sell the likes of wheat beers, beers from the Czech Republic, beers from Poland," said Eddy Martin, who runs the Bailey Bar.

"Beer sales are declining while the amount of wine is phenomenal.
Phaaa ... a bunch of effete wine drinking snobs taking over where a pint of Guinnness is available on tap?! How can you call a place the "Bailey Bar" and sell Polish beer. Or wine.

But on the bright side:
But the decline of Guinness is by no means global.

Sales are doing well in North America and parts of West Africa — where the stronger, bottled local version of Guinness has a reputation, perhaps undeserved, for everything from helping prevent malaria to enhancing male sexual prowess.
Harump. Well I don't know about that. Glad to see the rest of the world keeping the Guinness mystique alive and well.

Of course, in reality, it's hard to complain about the Baily Bar selling wine. To get my Guinness on tap I have to go to a place called Taco Mac, which isn't exactly a place where you'll find old Paddy hanging out. Celebrating St. Patrick's Day has become complicated over the years. But I persevere.

*sigh*
 
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Bah, Guinness is weak. That’s why I drink Arrogant Bastard Ale.
 
Written By: ChrisB
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Guiness is the Budweiser of Ireland.

http://www.northcoastbrewing.com/ras.htm

Now this was an American should be drinking if they want a stout beer.

I imported this beer to Taiwan for a while and it was a suprise hit.
 
Written By: Harun
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I like Taco Mac because when you order chicken wings you can specify "all flats."
 
Written By: Luke
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My local pool hall (No Spitting) is proud to have on draft Moose Drool. It’s great.
 
Written By: notherbob2/robert fulton
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Guinness has a reputation, perhaps undeserved, for everything from helping prevent malaria to enhancing male sexual prowess.

All it’s ever given me is beer goggles.

I’m going to Ireland for my honeymoon in June and this story disturbs me. But just a little bit.
 
Written By: the wolf
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My local pool hall (No Spitting) is proud to have on draft Moose Drool. It’s great.
When my restaurant was operating, we served Moose Drool on draft. I’m not much of a beer drinker, so my opinion probably doesn’t matter, but I didn’t think it was anything to write home about. Didn’t sell much of it, either.

De gustibus non disputandem
 
Written By: steverino
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If Guinness is going down the porcelain thundermug, can Single Malt Scotch be far behind? Where fort art thou good taste?
 
Written By: James E. Fish
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Guinness has a reputation, perhaps undeserved, for everything from helping prevent malaria to enhancing male sexual prowess.
When a friend’s wife gave birth in Bermuda, some years ago, she was served up a bottle of Guinness by the hospital. They gave it to all mothers after delivery.
 
Written By: James E. Fish
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Guiness is the Budweiser of Ireland.
Uh… maybe if Budweiser was good beer, one could make that comparison. Blasphemy, I tell you.

Bah, Guinness is weak. That’s why I drink Arrogant Bastard Ale.
Guinness is weak!?
Hah! Try walking into any given Irish pub over there and telling big Jim Dwyer that. He’ll take you out with a well-aimed clout.

Besides, Arrogant Bastard Ale should be renamed, “Arrogantly Overrated Ale”. ;)

Guinness is my bane, and I’ve been to Ireland more times than I can remember. And crawling through the pubic houses on that storied enchantment was a hobby of mine in my early days. So this is at least one area where I find confidence in claiming expertise.

The recent decline in sales for Guinness comes to no surprise. That doesn’t relate to a decline in the taste for the black stuff.

Ireland has witnessed a transition over the last twenty years. No longer is it the cauldron for heartbreaking tales of poverty, hopelessness, and despair. Ireland has benefited from a boom in their technology industry and with low taxes associated with the “Celtic Tiger”.

There are now people actually immigrating to Ireland.

That would naturally give rise to a so-called more sophisticated lifestyle. More wine, less beer.

But here’s where we get into the thick of it. From the article,
Pub landlords complain other discouraging factors have been a smoking ban and, in rural areas, tougher restrictions on drinking and driving to cut road deaths — though many point out that Guinness remains their best seller.
Now anyone who has had the pleasure of visiting these rural pubs, knows full well who patrons these establishments.

Smokers.

Plus, you have these new cans and bottles of Guinness with the nitrogen widgets that gives Guinness in a can or bottle a comparable experience.

There are, of course, free market remedies for smoky pubs. But I don’t have to tell you guys that.

But the decline of Guinness is by no means global.

Sales are doing well in North America and parts of West Africa — where the stronger, bottled local version of Guinness has a reputation, perhaps undeserved, for everything from helping prevent malaria to enhancing male sexual prowess.
Well, I don’t know about all of that. I like to think that my “male sexual prowess” is a product of my own natural being.
But I know that the rise in popularity for Guinness in North America is a good thing. Unlike poor McQ, I don’t have to travel far to find spigots flowing. Hell, I can even get Guinness at my local Chili’s.

That proves that in part with having an extraordinary product, the good folks at Guinness have done well in marketing. And they continue to explore the bounds of what people will want. And though I have no idea what it may taste like yet, the new Guinness Red has me more than curious.

Cheers.
And happy St. Paddy’s Day.

 
Written By: PogueMahone
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I have never had any problems finding the malted elixir anywhere around Atlanta. I forget your exact neighborhood McQ (Roswell?) But there are plenty of places on the Northside other than Taco Mac to get Guinness (although they do have the 2nd best wings in the ATL). There’s a nice little Irish pub off of Exit 10 on 400 (Meehan’s on the corner of 120 and State Bridge). I’ve also had it a number of places in Cumming, although none of them are any more Irish than Taco Mac.
 
Written By: ChipVA
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For years I’ve visited "authentic" Irish style pubs, only now to learn that I really should have been served a cognac, a pilsner or a soy milk latte with a 4 leafed cover doodled into the froth.
 
Written By: unaha-closp
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Guiness is the Budweiser of Ireland.
Uh… maybe if Budweiser was good beer, one could make that comparison. Blasphemy, I tell you.
Actually, when I was there last (New Year’s 2000) Budweiser was the Budweiser of Ireland, having replaced Harp everywhere I went. Of course, it’s brewed at the Smithwick’s brewery (in Kilkenny IIRC), so it tastes much better than Bud here. But I must say I was surprised.
Guinness is weak!?
Hah! Try walking into any given Irish pub over there and telling big Jim Dwyer that. He’ll take you out with a well-aimed clout.
Well, Guiness does not contain as much alcohol as other beers. Except for the Foreign Extra Stout, I think it only comes in at about 3.5 to 4.0 percent.
And crawling through the pubic houses on that storied enchantment was a hobby of mine in my early days.
Hmmm ...
I like to think that my “male sexual prowess” is a product of my own natural being.
I’m blaming the "pubic" houses.
 
Written By: MichaelW
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*SIGH* Once again, mass produced American brews take it on the chin by the equivalent of Latte sippers (people who jumped on a fad bandwagon for microbrews and hoppy euroswill)

Meanwhile, Bud, Mich, Coors, Miller, and the similar Mexican beers, like Corona and Dos Eqques have combined sales that dwarf all of the Euro breweries. Give me a crisp clean taste with not so much hops in it.
 
Written By: kyleN
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"Give me a crisp clean taste"

Two out of three ain’t bad.
 
Written By: timactual
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When I lived in Florida, and regularly drank Budweiser, I once received a case of Budweiser as a gift. Since I don’t drink much at home, it stayed in the trunk of my car for over a year. I eventually drank it, having fallen on hard times, and couldn’t tell the difference between it and "fresh" Budweiser. That was many years ago. I went to a function in Va. about a year ago, and the only carbonated adult beverage(I will not call it beer) they served was Budweiser. I drank half of one and wondered how I ever liked that stuff.
 
Written By: timactual
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There’s this Russian Imperial Stout I picked up that is really nice and chocolatey. It has the consistency and almost the opacity of India Ink...

...ah, good stuff.

Course I also like Rolling Rock, Leinenkugel, Flying Horse.

The key characteristic seems to be that it’s beer.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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As a non-drinker of beer, I’m amused by this thread. I’m beginning to believe that arguing over which beer tastes best is like arguing over whose wife is better in bed: you’ll never convince anyone else to agree with you, but it’s fun to argue about it all the same :)
 
Written By: steverino
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steve you are so right. This is a fairly modern thing, only about five or so years old. Somewhere along the road it got to be faddish to dump all over the largest beers and then praise some euro or micro brew.

If one points out very calmly that everyone has different tastes then you are assaulted with disdain for preferring what you prefer. I never developed (nor wanted to) a taste for bitter overhopped beer. The reason that even developed in Europe was because until very very recently you could not get anything refrigerated in Europe, at least not at a normal pub or eatery. Now warm beer might indeed need more hops to improve its flavor.
 
Written By: kyleN
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This is a fairly modern thing, only about five or so years old. Somewhere along the road it got to be faddish to dump all over the largest beers and then praise some euro or micro brew.
Not for this old boy ... I rejected the mass produced swill 20+ years ago. The only thing that has changed for me is the good stuff is infinitely easier to get now than it was then.
 
Written By: McQ
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I forget your exact neighborhood McQ (Roswell?)
Dacula.

And there are some good places in ATL for beer. It’s just that for me Taco Mac is the most convenient (and they have Harpoon IPA and Dinkle Acker dark).

There’s the Brick Store in Decatur where I quaffed a few last week (lots of good Brit beer but few Irish brews) and there’s a good Irish pub, the Leaping Leprechaun, where I can drop in and get a Smithwick Irish Amber Ale on tap when I so desire.

Heh ... so it’s not like I’m deprived. But Taco Mac doesn’t exactly ring of Ireland now, does it?
 
Written By: McQ
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so it’s not like I’m deprived. But Taco Mac doesn’t exactly ring of Ireland now, does it?


Southern Ireland(
 
Written By: James E. Fish
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I drank half of one and wondered how I ever liked that stuff.
Problem is you did not get to the after, after, after taste. What is lacking is the peer pressure required to get you past the first glass (or 5) and into the "buzz".
 
Written By: unaha-closp
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Well now - I worked at an Irish pub in Boston, and the Guiness there was about as fresh as you can get. They went through a barrel a day. So it was always fresh, and always pulled by an Irishman :-)

And - I’m happy to say I will be on the Emerald Isle at the end of April. And FINALLY I will be able to taste mothers Milk. Fresh from the tap. I have arranged a VIP tour of St James Gate and will get to watch the process in person. And then drink the results! Yipppeeee!!!!!
 
Written By: meagain
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Actually, Budweiser, for what it is, sometimes does hit the spot. The version made in China is not as good as from the USA, especially if its the "fresh."

Beer in cans tends to last a long time, and Budweiser has excellent quality control. (some micros need to work on that.)

This is coming from a guy who imported microbrews to Taiwan for a couple of years.

The Guinness we used to get here from Malaysia was nasty super strong stuff. The stuff from the widget cans is much better. If you can find a Tetley’s widget can, those are really cool - they make a friggin’ whooshing sound.

okay enough of this.
 
Written By: Harun
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Dacula
Well, therein lies your problem. ;) Although I agree that having to go to Taco Mac is hardly a "burden" sometimes you just want some blood sausage to go with your Guinness, right? Right? Or is that just me?

As for the beer argument, while I agree with the disdain for Budweiser, many American brews are perfectly fine (Rolling Rock, Michelob, MGD on occassion). But a nicely brewed, full-flavored beer has its place as well (especially when bought on an expense account) ;)
 
Written By: ChipVA
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"How can you call a place the "Bailey Bar" and sell Polish beer?"

Because tastes change. Duh. It’s not like they got rid of the traditional Irish brew.

By the way, Polish beers are pretty damn good. Pop open a Zwyiec next time and find out for yourself.
 
Written By: MyPetGloat
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"until very very recently you could not get anything refrigerated in Europe,"

I don’t know what your definitions of "very recently" or "refrigerated" are, but Germany and GB, at least, have had better beer than the US for over a generation. How cold do you need it? And they do not gouge you on the price, either. For me, German draft beer is the gold standard. The brand is immaterial, as they are all excellent.

"The key characteristic seems to be that it’s beer."

Definitely. The magic ingredient, for me anyway, seems to be the bubbles. I have found in the last few years that soda water with lime gives me as much taste as Bud, etc., at a substantially lower economic and social cost.

"What is lacking is the peer pressure required to get you past the first glass (or 5) and into the "buzz"."

Rugged individualist that I am, I never needed peer pressure to get me past the first five(or even ten) glasses. I have witnesses who can testify to that, although I can’t remember their names. Or where I was at the time. I do remember that after, after, after taste, however.

 
Written By: timactual
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I do remember that after, after, after taste, however.
A bottle of port taken with half a meat and cheese tray from Costco, followed by most of a small bottle of Hennesey is remembered by me to be a very, very bad idea.

I do enjoy water with simple lemon juice in it. It was originally recomended to deal with early onset kidney stones, but I’ve actually gotten to quite like it.

Yours, Tom Perkins, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
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