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The transmission of culture
Posted by: McQ on Friday, March 16, 2007

I was reading a question and answer segment in an interview with Melanie Phillips whose book, "Londonistan" explored not only the rise of Muslim culture, but the decline of much of British culture when I was came across this exchange
Q: Your most famous previous book, "All Must Have Prizes," was a critique of egalitarianism in British schools. Do you see a connection with the problems of the education system and the rise of the terrorist threat in Britain?

A: Yes, in that the root cause of Britain's education disaster is the loss of belief in the core purpose of education: the transmission of a society's culture to the next generation. An intelligentsia that has lost faith in the British nation — and indeed in the idea of "the nation" itself — has torn up Britain's cultural map. The result has been young people left culturally adrift in a sea of ignorance, unable to think for themselves and no longer knowing what values they must defend.
Now whether or not you believe the "core purpose" of education is the "transmission of society's culture to the next generation" it's hard to argue that it doesn't and hasn't performed that function (or at least a large part of it) for centuries.

When you consider education in that sort of cultural transmission role, several questions immediately come to mind. First and foremost is "if we accept this as true, to whom have we turned over a large portion of that cultural transmission job?" Obviously, then, the second question is "what culture are they transmitting"?

What Phillips found out in Britain is the culture being transmitted to British youth had less to do with the traditional culture which made Britain unique and powerful and more with a culture that has rejected most of Britain's traditional culture and rooted itself, instead, in cultural relativity.

Colonialism is bad, it's fruits are bad and as it turns out, everything associated with it must be rejected out of hand. King are tyrants, serfs are noble, religion a bane and secularism and egalitarianism the only hope of humanity.

A culture which, for the most part, had accepted and understood what was bad about their traditional culture and changed it was now pushed in a direction of total rejection of its traditional institutions and storied narratives. English common law, one of the most celebrated achievements of that civilization and the basis for legal systems around the world is given passing mention while the culture that produced it is characterized as abominable.

Given the new narrative that British culture was terrible, what is then left to be transmitted to the next generation? Why whatever those that run education choose to transmit. And as with most "enlightened" educators, it primarily centers around multiculturalism. Egalitarianism, at least that of the radical type, finds each and every culture of equal value. And that is the root of the pernicious dogma of "multiculturalism". The result is catastrophic as Phillips points out.
At the same time, the doctrine of multiculturalism, which has been the British orthodoxy for decades, meant that British schools, universities and other institutions refused to transmit or uphold the core principles of British national identity. Instead, they told new immigrants that their "own" culture would be celebrated. The result was that all immigrants found they had nothing to integrate into, even if they wanted to. ...
Native British youth are culturally cast adrift and left with a sort of "choose your own" cultural buffet as long as those choices conform to the new paradigms. Newcomers, otoh, are told that instead of embracing the dominant culture of their new land and assimilating into that culture, their old culture is equally as good and there is no real reason to change.

The result is now beginning to tell with a vengeance in Britain as well as parts of Europe. Balkanized immigrants who haven't assimilated and, even if willing, wouldn't really be able to find out much about the national culture they should embrace. The transmission has, for the most part, ended because those who're charged with the job have unilaterally decided that the traditional culture isn't worth transmitting anymore.

In my opinion multiculturalism, or as I prefer to refer to it, cultural relativism, is one of the most dangerous philosophies since Marxism. Its first requirement is that adherents must suspend one of the most basic and necessary functions inherent to a human being: making judgments. That, of course, means one must eschew morality. If morality is simply the difference between 'right' and 'wrong' (according to a defined set of principles) and judgement gives us a method by which to categorize actions, activities and ideas using those principles into right or wrong, cultural relativism tells us that for the most part, our principles are suspect as we relate them to other cultures.

And it is that paradigm shift which has infected Britain and is infecting the US as we speak. What is interesting to me, however, is how the Muslim tradition is being transmitted so strongly in Britain. Through Muslim schools. Given there is no requirement to assimilate, and given the cultural relativity found in British schools which makes real assimilation impossible, Muslims increasingly choose to reinforce their culture through private Muslim schools.

The eventual outcome should be obvious even to those who are a product of the US public school system. Education is a profoundly important part of any nation's future and culture. It not only educates our youth and provides them with the tools necessary to function in the world, but it does transmit our culture to the next generation. As long as those who are in charge of that transmission of culture believe the lies of multiculturalism and teach them, we too are headed down the very same road that Britain now finds itself on. And that's the road to cultural ruin.
 
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To illustrate how far this has gone, I was once on a forum where one of the posters refused to acknowledge that female genital mutilation in the Sudan was bad because it was, after all, a part of their culture.

Funny thing but these same people condemn many parts of western culture, But on what basis? Arn’t all cultures equal? Well, I guess some are more equal than others.
 
Written By: kyleN
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It’s going to take lots more 9/11 style attacks to wake some people up out of their moral relativism stupor....some will never wake up, and will be bleating "why do they hate us" as they are led to the chopping block.

 
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The transmission [of culture] has, for the most part, ended because those who’re charged with the job have unilaterally decided that the traditional culture isn’t worth transmitting anymore.
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As long as those who are in charge of that transmission of culture believe the lies of multiculturalism and teach them, we too are headed down the very same road that Britain now finds itself on.
I think the problem - like the solution - hinges on the question of who, really, is in charge. As long as parents and concerned people generally defer to teachers and to the public school system as presently administered by the Department of Education, we have no one to blame but ourselves.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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Someone who believes in their own goal or purpose will invariably trump someone who doesn’t believe in their goal or purpose. If those who were teaching our children, about our culture, don’t believe in our culture, where we left?

We end up spending our time wondering how long it will be before the next landlord takes over.
 
Written By: Bithead
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Those who deny the value of a nation’s culture, now use the term Kulture too denigrate that which holds a nation together. The “balkanizing” of European nations is well underway. Muslim minorities are rioting over attempts to bring them into the dominant culture, while Europeans don’t understand what their culture really is.

The United States allowed differences, but all citizens were assimilated into the dominant culture. Since the 1960’s political leadership has used racial and cultural differences to gain power. There no longer is “The American Way” of Superman fame. There’s the African-American way. The Chicano way, even the NASCAR way. Instead of assimilating this country also seems to be splitting up into its constituent parts. That does not seem to be a good idea, just the reality we face.
 
Written By: James E. Fish
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We haven’t been transmitting our culture for 20-30 years, the possible exception that its evil and unworthy.

So when a bunch of gleefully godless families start losing their kids to Islam in droves, we shouldn’t be surprised.
 
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We haven’t been transmitting our culture for 20-30 years, the possible exception that its evil and unworthy
Evil and untrustworthy is a good description of the road we are on. America has given up on the tried and true concepts of truth, honor, justice and self reliance. We are rapidly trying to catch up with the European ideal of the state and it’s “Smother Love” as the solution for all out problems. That is to be expected during the “decline” phase of any empire.
 
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Any parent who leaves their child in government schools is effectively guilty of child neglect.
 
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In my opinion multiculturalism, or as I prefer to refer to it, cultural relativism, is one of the most dangerous philosophies since Marxism. Its first requirement is that adherents must suspend one of the most basic and necessary functions inherent to a human being: making judgments. That, of course, means one must eschew morality. If morality is simply the difference between ’right’ and ’wrong’ (according to a defined set of principles) and judgement gives us a method by which to categorize actions, activities and ideas using those principles into right or wrong, cultural relativism tells us that for the most part, our principles are suspect as we relate them to other cultures.
Native British youth are culturally cast adrift and left with a sort of "choose your own" cultural buffet as long as those choices conform to the new paradigms.
This post speaks directly to the quandry the US Military faces. Right now, it allows personnel to make decisions at a very low level because it assumes those people accept our underlying culture. If a group, whether immigrant ot domestic, rejects our ’traditional’ morality in favor of their own culture or sub-culture, the judgements of that group may no longer correspond with what the military desires.
Currently the U.S. military disallows personnel and groups whose actions show a rejection of its’ culture. If our society gets to the point of accepting multi-culturalism as much as the British, the pool of personnel that can be relied on to accept and defend our culture upon entry to the military is eliminated. In the British military, personnel making the same decisions are of a higher rank and more experienced than their American counterparts because they need to be assimilated into the culture.
 
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Culture and morality are too different concepts. Islam is a religion which has been practiced differently dependent upon the culture. Certain practices like female circumcision were present before Islam. Not all Muslims practiced this. There may be more homogeny in Islam now, because there have be certain groups exporting their version through schools, providing education and other social services. The poor in those other countries accept the new concepts because, colonialism didn’t export the rule of law to its non British subjects. Even if the British systems were left in place, the way they were implemented certainly wasn’t impressive.
I think perhaps that some people may make the argument that they are more moral based on some pricipal of morality, but that may not make them right and certainly the culture itself may have several sources of morality, beyond what most would call universal.
 
Written By: VRB
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Bill Cosby looks at Black culture and does not like what he sees.
"We Can’t Blame White People"
by BILL COSBY
"They’re standing on the corner and they can’t speak English.? I can’t even
talk the way these people talk:
Why you ain’t,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be...
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.? And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t be a doctor
with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth .In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.
People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we’ve got these knuckleheads walking around.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal
These people are not parenting.? They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what??
And they won’t spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.?
I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
Where were you when he was 2??
Where were you when he was 12??
Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn’t know that he had a pistol??
And where is the father?? Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward: Isn’t that a sign of something gone wrong?
People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn’t that a sign of something??
Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up?
Isn’t it a sign of something when she has her dress
all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing]
going through her body?
What part of Africa did this come from??
We are not Africans.? Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a thing about Africa.
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.
Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem.
We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed.?
Today a woman has eight children with eight different ’husbands’ — ! or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
We have million-dollar basketball players who can’t write two paragraphs.?
We as black folks have to do a better job.? Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.
We cannot blame the white people any longer."

Dr. William Henry "Bill" Cosby, Jr., Ed.D.


I hope this was not too long, but He is right.




 
Written By: James E. Fish
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"Multi-culti" is already firmly entrenched in the schools, government and corporate worlds. It has been slowly but steadily rotting these institutions from the inside out and I fear it will not be long before we will have passed the tipping point. After that time, the US will become fully involved in its own version of Balkanization....and all thanks to our wonderful pols who can find time to fight over meaningless resolutions but not once make a hard decision on spending, energy or even our survival as a nation.
 
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Culture and morality are too different concepts.
Not at all. The latter descends from the former, which is why cultures each have their own morality. And, even sub cultures tend to have THEIR own moarilty which tends to be a subset of the whole.

Which is precisely why it is imperative that the schools for fill their primary responsibility of transmitting our culture to our young people.

Now, of course, we will be subject to the argument that not all cultures are moral. And that is quite true. But the ones that are not moral, tends not to last very long. its the cultures whose morality meshes with reality best, the best survive and thrive.

An additional bit of evidence that our schools are falling down in transmitting our culture to our young people is Ebonics, which is a subject I wrote of today. I did so, because the idiots at the local city school district have decided to incorporate them into the program.

I note Bill Cosby quoted, above, which is why I bring this one up... but I ask, with him, Are we that afraid of black people progressing in western culture, that we need our schools to teach them to sound like total idiots, as an official government school policy?

I submit, that this is as effective a tool against our culture, as any weapon that could possibly be devised. Just what does it take to get people in this country to protect their own? Must we have planes crashing into buildings to get people in this country to take the threat against our culture seriously?

If we aren’t going to fight for our culture, and support it as it should be, who will?

Or, is it that those refusing to defend our culture as it should be defended, are also interested in the its ultimate defeat?


 
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Are we that afraid of black people progressing in western culture, that we need our schools to teach them to sound like total idiots, as an official government school policy?
I expect government policy has little to do with it. As Cosby points out, the problem is the designation of the Black community. Education, grammar and work are openly derided as “White” and those who strive to learn are hassled. When the role model is fulfilled by Gangster Rap, what hope do the children have.

The government’s fault goes back to the “Great Society” programs like W.I.C.that required the father be absent for the family to qualify. At the time more than seventy percent of all black families had two parents. Now that percentage is around forty percent. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the Great Society destroyed the traditional black family.
 
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Your points are well taken, James, but in the end the people setting these standards are government employees.... and people who are paid for by government and who are not gainsaid in the matter by our supposed representatives. I point to the schools, in this, because that’s precisely where the policy is coming from.

I will grant you, that they are one piece of the puzzle, and I will say also that you’re quite correct when you suggest that the family... and I think this is all inclusive, and not just the black family... is being destroyed by the "great society". Indeed, I think that damage continues, today, in the form of what laughingly passes for government education, among other causes... all of which come back to governmental intrusion into the culture.

I should further point out, that I think we would be hard pressed indeed to find private, non-government schools setting such policies. They, unlike the government schools, apparently, have not lost sight of their cultural mandate.
 
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Bithead, if there are several cultures which religion is Christianity and most in those cultures practice and adhered to the morality of Christianity; then is the morality different for each culture?

And tell me how did black people get in this conversation. What ever culture that has been developed within the black community has evolved right along side every other American whose ancestors have been here for 300 years. Pop culture does not define a group. I don’t think white people let pop culture define them. The people Bill Cosby was speaking to and about is not the sum total of black population. He wants every one of us to take advantage of opportunity. I would be willing to bet there are more whites being left behind in drug use, crime and other vice than blacks. Just use Bill Cosby’s words and you can feel safe about being as racist as you want without being questioned. The countries ills are not about black people and other groups diluting your precious morality. It is an insult to all non whites, implying that our humanity can not produce a just or moral system.

As far as American culture, it is the assimilation of African, Asian, Native American and European, be it in food, ideas, invention, music, and family.
 
Written By: VRB
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Bithead, if there are several cultures which religion is Christianity and most in those cultures practice and adhered to the morality of Christianity; then is the morality different for each culture?
(Shrug) To limited degree, yes. Customs involving morality in one culture, say the French, just to pull something out of the air, are quite different in nature than those here in the ’states, or in some parts of say, Brazil. THe Irish, for that matter... (or, insert country/culture here, if you like, I really don’t care)

In each case, the cultures were/are heavily Judeo/Christian influenced. In each case also, they have some practices of their own.. that are uniquely theirs.
What ever culture that has been developed within the black community has evolved right along side every other American whose ancestors have been here for 300 years.
Precisely the point... It developed as a separate entity, as opposed to them being part of the existing culture. Which, certainly would have been preferable. I suggest that what separation occurred was because of the racism of the time. Clearly, undesirable.

However, since that has long since been dealt with, it is time for those calling themselves Americans, to become American in culture, too. In short, assimilation.
The people Bill Cosby was speaking to and about is not the sum total of black population.
Of course not. However, it does hold enough sway, so as to be problematic, else he’d not be saying it. And, dare I say it, the people have been speaking to our turning into the majority... Which, it appears to me, is Cosby’s worst fear.
I would be willing to bet there are more whites being left behind in drug use, crime and other vice than blacks
Perhaps true. It is also, rather decidedly true, that there are more white welfare recipients and then there are black welfare recipients, if you measure such things in terms of the raw numbers of each subset.

However; if you were to note what those raw numbers constituted in terms of the entire white and black populations, you would see that the black populations are far more affected, culturally, then the whites. This is simply a function of raw numbers; whites have not reached ’critical mass’ as yet, if you will.

Certainly, damage has been done to both groups, and I will decry that. But of the two the larger problem, culturally speaking, is among the black population. This is a point that Cosby himself has made on several occasions.

And again; race has nothing to do with this. What we are discussing is culture.

Oh, you can call it racism, if you must hide behind the charge, in your attempt to give validity to your argument, but you know as well as I do the charge isn’t true.
 
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Bithead, there was absolutely no reason to discuss black people in this context and as a black person I think I could have discuss the subject without ever bringing race; but there is always someone who has to bring it up. If this is done because you think it affects black people more, I wouldn’t think this would be a sight that black people would read for that type of discussion. This is why I think the restatement of Bill Cosby speech is racist. Less we not let white folk forget just how black people are.

What affects black people from transmission of culture is the denial of self. This still brings problems arising from self hate. We can have no psychology relating to slavery or Jim Crow. There has been a long struggle trying to fit in and be the acceptable person. I know what blacks have given up. I was raised to be that acceptable black person. Alway hearing the words, don’t think this, wear this or let you hair be this, etc; it might offend. We as blacks can’t be individuals.

I find that blacks are seen as reasonable citizens only when we are invisible and hold no identity. The horror, that anything African is left in our culture. Interesting enough, I have seen our music assimilated and recolored.
 
Written By: VRB
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Great, great post, by the way. My daughter, who is now a junior in college, didn’t get basic American history until the second half of her sophomore year in high school (which was an otherwise outstanding school). The educators weren’t completely remiss- they felt comfortable teaching the kids about American Indians until then. Sometimes, her teachers would almost reach the Founding Fathers, but would quickly retreat to the intellectual safety of teepees. This contrasted to my public education, where my first exposure to American history was in 4th grade.

This is a very important issue. It’s not surprising that we find ourselves asea in intellectual confusion. And I don’t see it improving.
 
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Bithead, there was absolutely no reason to discuss black people in this context and as a black person I think I could have discuss the subject without ever bringing race; but there is always someone who has to bring it up
Ah, but if you look closely, I was addressing cultural issues, not race issues.
I find that blacks are seen as reasonable citizens only when we are invisible and hold no identity
So, Clarence Thomas, Doctor Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, as a few better known examples, are invisible and hold no identity?

Or have they merely adopted the majority culture?
 
Written By: Bithead
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. . . if there are several cultures which religion is Christianity and most in those cultures practice and adhered to the morality of Christianity; then is the morality different for each culture?
Likely, yes.

Consider "thou shalt not steal".

Socialism is theft, yet there are Christians who are socialists. It is one thing to hear "thou shalt not steal", and another to understand that socialism is theft.
What ever culture that has been developed within the black community has evolved right along side every other American whose ancestors have been here for 300 years.
Yes, unfortunatly it hasn’t been assimilated yet . . .

The failure of the black sub-culture has been one of America’s enduring problems.
 
Written By: Don
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Culture and morality are too different concepts.


I don’t agree, but let’s go with that for now.
Islam is a religion which has been practiced differently dependent upon the culture.


So, other aspects of culture effect morality?
Certain practices like female circumcision were present before Islam. Not all Muslims practiced this.
Right. Other aspects of culture do effect morality.

 
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Ah, but if you look closely, I was addressing cultural issues, not race issues.
Right. Vivian (IIRC) is the only one talking race.
 
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The failure of the black sub-culture has been one of America’s enduring problems
You racist, you.
(Chuckle)

 
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Right. Vivian (IIRC) is the only one talking race.
Glad to see the fine line I drew wasn’t lost on everyone.

For all the complaints from liberals... about ’subtlety’ and ’nuance’... or rather the lack of these, among those of the right... and for that matter, the center... it’s amazing how very lost the left gets, when ’subtlety’ and ’nuance’ get employed.


 
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The horror, that anything African is left in our culture.


I’m not sure anything African is left in the black subculture.
Interesting enough, I have seen our music assimilated and recolored.
There is a lot to culture. Some are obvious, like food, drink, music, dance . . . but these are in essence "menu items".

If we all decide that a given food is best, that’s the right answer (I vote for Mexican). And if we can’t decide, that’s OK, you can eat Chinese and I’ll eat Mexican, and maybe we can sometimes eat Italian if we want to hash out politics. Music is similar.

However, there are more far reaching, and subtle, questions with respect to values. These can have a profound impact on society, and the right answer isn’t necessarly obvious when looking at the value in isolation. But all choices are not equal . . .

This leads me back to a previous comment you made:
I think perhaps that some people may make the argument that they are more moral based on some pricipal of morality, but that may not make them right and certainly the culture itself may have several sources of morality, beyond what most would call universal.
The key thing about the US (and England before us) is success. Success is a good thing all it’s own. Failure sucks.

Furthermore, our success is based upon the morals that make capitalism flurish: freedom and property rights are key.

Our core morals and values are those of a merchant society, not the more common warrior socities.

So yes, Vivian, some cultures are more moral than others, and they tend to reap success.
As far as American culture, it is the assimilation of African, Asian, Native American and European, be it in food, ideas, invention, music, and family.
I’d argue that American culture is mostly English culture, with some improvements, the most significant of which were probably environmental and not contributions from other cultures.

My German ancestors contributed with respect to food, drink, music, and rifles. Their contributions were earlier and more significant than most, but still minor compared to the English.

I also have Eastern European ancestors, who were largely assimilated without contributing much culture, which is probably a good thing.

And my Scotch-Irish ancestors did contribute a useful (if sometimes troublesome) warrior subculture.

The Asian and Native American contribution was minor. African contribution was mostly limited to the South, until fairly recently, and recently its core contributions have been dubious.
 
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Here I have gotten sucked in again trying to talk to a bunch of adolescents.
 
Written By: VRB
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If I am the person being referred to as Vivian, I am not that person.
 
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Here I have gotten sucked in again trying to talk to a bunch of adolescents.
That’s the worst insult you could possibly have given ... to yourself.
Because it’s clear, from the reading, that you’ve been totally unable to mount any kind of an argument against them
 
Written By: Bithead
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Here I have gotten sucked in again trying to talk to a bunch of adolescents.
That’s cute. Do you have any real arguments?
If I am the person being referred to as Vivian, I am not that person.
There used to be a Vivian that posted here, and I assumed that you were her.
 
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Don, I do have arguments, but I argue about my comments as how they relate to the response and most of you argue against what you think I said, instead of carefully reading what I said. It is difficult to argue with someone who say I say the sky is green when I have said its blue. I would be here forever, because you all are like Bill Clinton and have to define "is." The facts I present are not accepted because, some other pundit has not told you that it is right. And the one thing that really pisses me off is the response to my comment "What ever culture that has been developed within the black community has evolved right along side every other American whose ancestors have been here for 300 years." is this:
Yes, unfortunatly it hasn’t been assimilated yet...
Other people in the world including Africans sees black people as Americas and yet you can’t see it. It is almost feels a if you had said that we are some subspecies. Part of some of my comments, was in effect saying what else do we have to do. To mouth only your sentiments, without having any independent thought, to be Uncle Tom and say, Yes Massa you’re right? This just to have the effing misinformed chatter go away.
You all have blown up the "Negro problem" like it was done after the Civil War and I think most would be satisfied to reinstate Jim Crow.
 
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Don, I do have arguments, but I argue about my comments as how they relate to the response and most of you argue against what you think I said, instead of carefully reading what I said.
so, you completely ignore the possibility , and in my view the likelihood, that we did actually carefully read what you said, and still think you’re dead wrong?

 
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What I want you to know Bithead, that Clarence Thomas and those like him didn’t adopt the majority culture; that is the way they were raised, like millions of other black people. You only can point them out because they politically believe as you do. All the others seem to be invisible to you. Every society has a certain group that don’t follow the norm, but it appears from discussion that only non white societies are defined by those few.

I wonder why so many white folks trusted the upbringing of their children to black women, if they thought the transmittance of some inferior culture were going to happen. Where I grew up and the times this was very common and I am not speaking of thousands of white children; but millions and ten of millions since slavery. That is why I am so sure that there is much African culture in American culture.
I am not an anthropologist so I can’t detail the argument here, but I think if you look at the southern use of language and sense of family there would be links. I think most people in the country know nothing an don’t want to know anything about any culture of Africa. We didn’t arrive out of nothing, and the small groups we lived in, before being exported, did have values and a system of governing themselves. Technology doesn’t make for superior culture. Those Africans that exploited us were just as morally corrupt as the European that exploited us. However those Africans were not all of the groups sent into slavery.
Being African or black is not intrinsically immoral, because if we hadn’t assimilated into the American culture does not mean we would be immoral individuals.
The initial problem with this post is that it is trying to fit morality, culture and religion in the same box. Some religions have guidance of how to deal in civil society and in others religions there can only be a theocracy. If you have a society allows freedom to practice one’s religion, then you can’t expect that person who thinks religious law should supersede civil law to give up their religion. How does the state make that accommodation? This is not a matter of assimilating it is a matter of trying to reinterpret one’s religion to fit. If we believe in having religious freedom, can we ask a person to do that? What we can do as a society is to deal with that person only when he breaks the law.
 
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Other people in the world including Africans sees black people as Americas and yet you can’t see it.
VBR,

Whether blacks are assimilated or not doesn’t change the fact that they are Americans.

Being an American citizen and being assimilated into the core culture are different things.
I wonder why so many white folks trusted the upbringing of their children to black women, if they thought the transmittance of some inferior culture were going to happen. Where I grew up and the times this was very common and I am not speaking of thousands of white children; but millions and ten of millions since slavery. That is why I am so sure that there is much African culture in American culture.
I am not an anthropologist so I can’t detail the argument here, but I think if you look at the southern use of language and sense of family there would be links.
The South in fact represents a different culture than the rest of the US—in fact it represents the culture that lost the Civil War. There is quite of bit of Scotch-Irish culture in the South—that also doesn’t represent mainstream American culture.
I think most people in the country know nothing an don’t want to know anything about any culture of Africa. We didn’t arrive out of nothing, and the small groups we lived in, before being exported, did have values and a system of governing themselves. Technology doesn’t make for superior culture. Those Africans that exploited us were just as morally corrupt as the European that exploited us. However those Africans were not all of the groups sent into slavery.
The initial African slave trade was an indinginous African activity. Eventually Arab traders became involved, and they introduced it to the Portugese and Spanish. The Spanish introduced it to the New World.

The Royal Navy largely shut the international slave trade down, although of course it continues in places like the Sudan.

Several interesting points: there were actually several million white slaves during the period; Arabs made slaves of Europeans as well as Africans. It is entirly possible for a free American black to have been enslaved in the early 1800s by Arab slavers (I don’t know if such a thing happened, but it is possible). Also, those who were victims of the trade sometimes became victimizers—an example is Armistad, who after being freed by an American court after the mutiney, became a slaver himself.

Keep in mind, I have ancestors who fought for the freedom of slaves, and the English ended the slave trade. While the European behaviour was less than perfect, it does represent greater morality than that of the Arabs and Africans.
 
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Being African or black is not intrinsically immoral, because if we hadn’t assimilated into the American culture does not mean we would be immoral individuals.
I agree that there isn’t anything intrinsically immoral about being African or black; however I do not think that African culture is as moral as American culture.
The initial problem with this post is that it is trying to fit morality, culture and religion in the same box.
Religions define morality, and while it isn’t politically correct to say so, it is clear to me that not all cultures are equals with respect to morality.
 
Written By: Don
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