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Is that a rhetorical question?
Posted by: McQ on Saturday, March 17, 2007

Armando, at Talk Left, is musing about various things, among them why blogs on the left are unwilling to disagree "with other Lefties and Dems in Congress". He says:
As folks who have been reading me have seen, I have been quite critical of House Dems AND Left blogs regarding their attitudes and prescriptions for Iraq. My views have almost universally been ignored by all, except for the occasional patronizing riposte that does not engage at all my arguments.

Why is this so? Are discussions of how to end the Debacle in Iraq that are not exclusively critical of the GOP and Bush not worth notice?
Uh, yes. Exactly so.

Heh ... naive or just late to the game?
 
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Well, it seems more and more are getting an inkling there isn’t a nice neat off-switch and acting like there is one could be disastrous.

Unfortunately at this rate, it isn’t going to do much good.
 
Written By: jpm100
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Are discussions of how to end the Debacle in Iraq that are not exclusively critical of the GOP and Bush not worth notice?
Not if you are on the left. Those who don’t bash Bush are not true liberals, at least not in the eyes of those who count.
 
Written By: James E. Fish
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Are discussions of how to end the Debacle in Iraq that are not exclusively critical of the GOP and Bush not worth notice?
Depends on what your goals are. If you’re a typical democrat, you really don’t care a whit about ending Iraq (hence, nonbinding resolutions and "slow bleed" strategies) but you do care about hurting Bush and the GOP.

 
Written By: shark
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There’s another angle to all of this and hasn’t been discussed yet;

why is it that when we discuss Iraq, not a single one of the democrats involved in the discussion, can bring themselves to discuss victory in Iraq as a possible option?

Oh, wait.
My bad.
That would show GWB had done the right thing.
Never mind.
 
Written By: Bithead
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I tend to read a lot of blogs all across the political spectrum. While there are a few Left Blogosphere blogs doing good, serious commentary on foreign relations, it’s amazing to me how few are. And those that are still mix their serious thought with a good measure of Bush-bashing (even when he’s just following bi-partisan policies that have been in place for a generation or more).

 
Written By: Dave Schuler
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Mr. Schuler is right on about the left. Most have OD’d on the LN to the point that they have totally forgotten the real world. In the real world we all should know that we don’t have access to enough real information to understand what is really going on in foreign relations at any given point in time. If you haven’t had access to classified information (government or business) in the past and been able to see how necessary it is to understanding what is really going on in a government or a business, then you might not believe my point. Ask a trusted friend who has had this experience. There are those who know and there are those who haven’t a clue. It can be trying to listen to the expostulations of the clueless as they reach wrong conclusion after wrong conclusion based on rumor and inuendo. Haven’t you all had that experience at coffee break when you had access to what was really going on?
We have an analogous situation with regard to Iraq. The lefties appear here and claim that they not only know what our government knows, they claim that they know more (!) and that the Bush Administration should listen to them. Then they launch into a dissertation about what current events mean and why The Administration are such fools for not doing what the NYT would do. They have lost all perspective. When called on it their only comeback is that the critic is living in an alternate universe as well and has no more credibility than the LN.
For all the liberal nonsense about everything being relative, most people I know are still grounded in the truth. The truth is that no commenter here is qualified to tell our government what the proper thing to do is and if there ever is one they will soon be behind bars for disclosing classified information. So bray on, liberals. Give us all your expertise from the LN. We can read it better in the NYT and the WaPo and should never confuse them with reality when they claim to know better than our government.
Well they might, but the odds are not in their favor, given their llack of essential information.
 
Written By: notherbob2/robert fulton
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Government is divided into two camps. Those who know and are not talking and those who do not know but still are talking. Not only is it impossible for the average citizen to know enough to make judgements, it also seems impossible for government officials. A study of decisions made by government over the past fifty years would show most decisions are made on faulty or non excitant intelligence. “Two qualities are indispensable: first, an intellect that, even in the darkest hour, retains some glimmerings of the inner light which leads to truth; and second, the courage to follow this faint light wherever it may lead” -Carl von Clausewitz. This is a quality rare in leaders of any nation.

 
Written By: James E. Fish
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"Not only is it impossible for the average citizen to know enough to make judgements, it also seems impossible for [Republican] government officials."
Hmmmm. Adding just one adjective reveals one of the pillars of the LN. Odd.
 
Written By: notherbob2/robert fulton
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"Not only is it impossible for the average citizen to know enough to make judgements, it also seems impossible for [Republican] government officials."
Hmmmm. Adding just one adjective reveals one of the pillars of the LN. Odd.
Paranoid? I was thinking of the Cuban missel crisis while writing that comment. Please don’t put words in my mouth. They get in the way of my foot.
 
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