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The Imus thing continues to build
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, April 12, 2007

Apparently, now that there is bright blood in the water, forces are pushing for a more permanent vacation for Don Imus:
MSNBC has canceled its "Imus in the Morning" simulcast, the network announced Wednesday.

The decision comes after remarks deemed racist and sexist that radio talk-show host Don Imus made last week about the Rutgers University women's basketball team prompted a number of advertisers to drop the program. MSNBC will stop airing the program immediately.

MSNBC announced on Monday a two-week suspension of its simulcast of Imus' show after Imus referred to the Rutgers players as "nappy-headed hos." But as part of an "ongoing review process," which included input from its own employees, NBC Universal decided stronger action was necessary, the company said in a statement.
One of the reasons this is being considered is advertisers are fleeing. American Express and GM have pulled advertising, as have Proctor and Gamble, Staples and Bigelow Tea.

Then you have people like Barack Obama and the former head of the NAACP and CBS director Bruce Gordon calling for Imus's head.

Still being mostly ignored, but starting to bubble to the surface a bit, is the double standard being applied where uttering such crap is a metaphorical death sentence for a white guy stupid enough to do it but celebrated within a certain segment of the black culture as hip and edgy.

Not everyone is ignoring that part of the controversy, however. In the Atlanta Journal-Constitution yesterday, Rev. Markel Hutchens make the point that needs to be heard just as loudly as the condemnation of Imus. Speaking of Imus and black leadership, Hutchins says:
Still, I am afraid that some of us in the black leadership are opportunistically over-reacting to this controversy and ironically, misusing the misfortune of these young women in the process.

[...]

We can spend time persecuting Imus, or we can have a real, honest, open discussion about the perpetrators of racism in a culture that allows some to feel that it is acceptable to use disparaging and demeaning terms to describe women, under the guise of pop culture entertainment, while selectively raking others over the coals.

The real shock is that if Imus had merely sung or rapped his words, there might not be such brouhaha.

Let's put away this liberal ideological need to censor an individual, because of the color of his skin, while we allow others to go unchecked and unchallenged, because of the color of our skin. Let's use this opportunity to stand against the use of this kind of language from any and all people.
I don't blame the Rutgers women's basketball team for being offended by what Imus said. As we've all noted, it was stupid, insensitive and inappropriate for anyone.

But I do have a question for the Rutgers team which they should answer for themselves. What music do you have playing in the dorm and on your iPod? Are the lyrics and language any different than what Imus said? If not, perhaps a little less time in front of the camera playing victim and a little more time spent in introspection might be called for.

It is instructive to remember that the characterization Imus used didn't originate with him.
 
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I think this response is just about right. Of course the guy should be able to say whatever he wants on his show, and of course when it’s idiotic, people should stop listening, guests should stop showing up, and advertisers should stop buying time.
 
Written By: Aaron Harnly
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DIXIE CHICKS! CENSORSHIP!

Oh wait...sorry...FIRE HIM! DOWN WITH RACISM!
 
Written By: TBall
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The same "free speech" warriors who always get up in arms over any little thing Bushhitler and Cheneybot5000 do or say do seem to be silent or complicit in this, don’t they?

 
Written By: shark
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I should add that Imus is as guilty as the Duke 3 Rapists.
 
Written By: TBall
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I’m sure this is inflammatory, but if the Rutgers girls are so easily scarred and traumatized over a moronic insult, maybe they’re better off becoming housewives- they couldn’t cut it in the world being so thin-skinned?

Sorry girls, if you act like a victim, that’s how you’ll get treated! Are any "feminists" disgusted with how that team acted at all???
 
Written By: shark
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Don Imus had a great point though...

When will Sharpton be appologizing publicly for what he said about the Duke Lacross players?

Answer: Not in the f**king lifetime. Being a black loudmouth means never having to say you’re sorry.

F**k Al, f**k Obama, f**k all of them. It was three words. If three words can bring the black community to their knees, how the holy hell did they survive slavery up until the civil-rights movement of mid-this century?
 
Written By: Scott
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The real shock is that if Imus had merely sung or rapped his words, there might not be such brouhaha.
The implication here is that premeditated thought such as this is ok, but off the cuff remarks are to be reviled. Interesting.

What music do you have playing in the dorm?
Oh I would LOVE to get a list of their Itunes libraries. Any Ludachris in there? How ’bout Snoop? Maybe some Nellie?
 
Written By: meagain
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Frankly, we are fast becoming the epitome of a Jerry Springer society. It seems to have become more important to have an audience and notoriety when confronting conflict than it is to attain resolve and mutual respect. That model seems to serve the needs of the exploited and those who seek to exploit; reinforcing all that relegates objectivity to the outhouse while making the frailty and imperfection of the human condition a spectacle that harkens back to the Coliseum.

This situation isn’t and shouldn’t be about whether liberals or conservatives, this race or that race, hip hop or honky-tonk, one group or another, are more offensive and therefore more responsible for all that is wrong with America. I am not capable of judging the whole of Don Imus nor am I capable of crafting a recipe to fix all of America…and neither are the countless pundits and partisans who have sought to frame it so.

I’m not a religious person…but I often find kinship with the imagery surrounding the portrayal of one called Jesus and his teachings of understanding and forgiveness. For all the banter I hear about the Bible and Christian values, it certainly seems to me that we are fast abandoning what many view as the sacred “tablets” in favor of the sacrosanct tabloids. If I’m right, all I can say is heaven help us.

Read more about the dynamics that lead a situation to become larger than the sum of its parts…here:

www.thoughttheater.com
 
Written By: thoughttheater
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We are all stupider for having read that statement, I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
Written By: to thought-eater
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Hmmm... How do we know they weren’t hoes? Anyone bothered to ask them if they were all virgins? What the hell ever happened to free speech in this country. and since when is Al "I’m a oppressed nergo and you’re gonna suffer for it" Sharpton the Moral compass in this country? The fact is that we’re so scared of pissing off black people, that no body can be funny anymore. and I say it’s sick and sad.

Sometimes, I truly believe that Trent Lott was absoutely correct.

 
Written By: The Populist
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I still have mixed feelings over the whole Imus ordeal. Part of me believes he’s getting what he deserves and the other part of me thinks its really that big of a deal. If you haven’t seen it already, you should check out this story over at Highbrid Nation. The guy who wrote it worked at WFAN with Imus and gives some interesting insight into whether the man is really a racist or not. You all should check it out if you get a chance.
 
Written By: evorgleb
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Note this article here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_hair

"There has been a boom in marketing to target hair products at African descended people, such as Out of Africa shampoo. Slogans that promote a pan-African appreciation of Afro textured hair include "Happy to be nappy," "Don’t worry, be nappy" as well as "Love, peace and nappiness" (although nappy can refer to any race with such texture). When African-descended people wear natural hair this is sometimes referred to as going ’napptural’."
 
Written By: WP
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Note this article here:
My god, it all makes sense now! Of cource!
 
Written By: Scott
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We are all stupider for having read that statement, I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Written By: to thought-eater
LOL… Sorry Mr. Theater, no offense, but that was funny.

Anyhoo…
But I do have a question for the Rutgers team which they should answer for themselves. What music do you have playing in the dorm and on your iPod? Are the lyrics and language any different than what Imus said? If not, perhaps a little less time in front of the camera playing victim and a little more time spent in introspection might be called for.
That might be good advice. But still...
Still being mostly ignored, but starting to bubble to the surface a bit, is the double standard being applied where uttering such crap is a metaphorical death sentence for a white guy stupid enough to do it but celebrated within a certain segment of the black culture as hip and edgy.
This represents a flaw not uncommon in your analogies. It seems that you often have the inability to separate what one might consider entertainment from what one might consider perception of reality.

First of all, we don’t know what kind of entertainment the multiple members of the Rutgers basketball team is amused with. For all we know, the multiple members listen to a variety of entertainment that may include entertainers with a more traditional tone of civility.
But for the sake of argument, let us assume that the multiple members listen, watch, read, whatever, entertainers that celebrate such language that you describe as “hip and edgy”. They may be able to, as most people do, separate what is fictionalized in song and story from what they perceive as reality. Even if they had Snoopdog’s latest track that describes women as ho’s and bitches, they may be able to distinguish the difference between what Snoopdog describes in his fictionalized song and story and what is the reality of whatever culture that they prescribe to.

Which appears to me, that the culture to which they prescribe to, is that of a culture that excels in academia and athletic competition. It might appear to you differently.

They may just like the tune and lyrics so that they can bug out to it. One doesn’t have to take the silly lyrics as gospel.

I know I don’t.

I listen to an Irish punk band that has many song lyrics that describes Irishmen as violent drunkards. But just because I listen to those lyrics, doesn’t mean that I, as a person of Irish decent, condone the description, nor does it mean that I believe the description to be accurate. Also, it doesn’t mean that I would be a hypocrite if I was offended by somebody else’s description that the Irish are violent drunkards. (I probably wouldn’t be as I am difficult to offend)

But if I was offended by somebody’s description of Irishmen being violent drunkards, the first thing I would say is, “Allow me to finish my whiskey before I kick your teeth in”, and the second thing would be, “who gives two sh*ts what you think?”.

Which brings me to my own criticism of what the Rutgers girls said in there press conference. I would never call them hypocrites at being offended just because they had rap songs on their Ipod, because I have no idea what those songs represent toward their own beliefs.
They were playing the victim. They should realize that whatever Don Imus says does nothing to detract what they have achieved, and who they are. But they are just college kids, and I’ll cut them some slack.
And if I had their ear before the press conference, I would have simply suggested to them to ask the question… “Imus… who??? Oh, that guy… who cares what that idiotic hillbilly thinks.”
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Consider this:

If I recall the actual verbatim of his remarks correctly, he called the Tennessee womens’ team "cute". It was something very close to that, it not that itself.

If the truth could be known, I’d go 25-1 that the Tennessee team’s coach has put down the word: "If a single one of you so much as opens your mouth within eye-sight of a microphone, you’ll be out of here so fast that it’ll make your head spin. Got it?"

 
Written By: Billy Beck
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This represents a flaw not uncommon in your analogies. It seems that you often have the inability to separate what one might consider entertainment from what one might consider perception of reality.
Ummm ... but Imus says he’s an entertainer.

I would assume his problem is he’s a white entertainer.

And that, as you’ve now most likely caught on, is the point.
Which brings me to my own criticism of what the Rutgers girls said in there press conference. I would never call them hypocrites at being offended just because they had rap songs on their Ipod, because I have no idea what those songs represent toward their own beliefs.
Who called them hypocrits? At best I’ve said a double standard is being arbitrarily applied.

I simply suggested that perhaps they’d want to engage in an little introspection and consider whether a culture they enable by buying songs which say much worse things about them than Imus said are acceptable anymore ... especially after claiming to be so offended by the Imus remarks.
And if I had their ear before the press conference, I would have simply suggested to them to ask the question… “Imus… who??? Oh, that guy… who cares what that idiotic hillbilly thinks."
Indeed.
 
Written By: McQ
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A major factor that sets apart Don Imus is his evolution from a shock jock to a shock jock AND a high-profile political media figure.

For a long time, I listened to Imus every day before going to school because I listened (and still listen) to sports radio on WFAN all the time. Back then, Imus was a shock jock who I liked because his humor was crude, but it was funny and light-hearted, not sharply mean and offensive - or "edgy", if you prefer - like Howard Stern. Unlike other shock jocks, like Howard Stern, I could listen to Imus’ morning comedy without feeling soiled. Despite the content of his show, I didn’t get the same sense that Imus was a bitter man, a hateful man or an angry man, and that set him apart from others in his field.

Over the years, however, Imus has evolved from shock jock to high-profile political commentator. The conflict is, instead of dropping his ’low-brow’ shock jock persona to become a full-time ’high-brow’ political commentator, he tried to be both on the same show. For a long time, he did so successfully. Imus is fairly considered a founding father of the modern hybrid politics-comedy show, eg, the Daily Show and the Colbert Report.

(IMO, I believe Imus is an early contributor to the coarsening of political discourse, but so was President Clinton playing his saxophone on the Arsenio Hall Show, perhaps. Anyway ... )

This judgement of Imus is new ground for all shock-type comedians who aspire to be high-profile political commentators. Until this case, there has been a far different standard for shock jocks - as well as ’edgy’ comedians and hip hop performers - from the standard for ’serious’ political commentators. But what if the two areas are mixed by the same person in the same show?Until now, that contradiction has remained largely unaddressed, and for the first time, it’s been brought under the spotlight.

Unless Imus dropped one persona or the other, it was inevitable this kind of controversy would eventually arise - the only surprise is that it took this long. And now, the precedent is being set.

Folks like Howard Stern and 50 Cent aren’t affected because they stayed in their lanes as shock jocks or hip hop performers rather than pioneer the crossover as Imus did. The Al Frankens, Bill Mahers and Jon Stewarts of the world have to pay close attention, though.
 
Written By: Eric Chen
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What music do you have playing in the dorm?

Oh I would LOVE to get a list of their Itunes libraries. Any Ludachris in there? How ’bout Snoop? Maybe some Nellie?
Facebook? MySpace?
 
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