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The Duke case: A peek behind the left’s curtain (updated)
Posted by: McQ on Friday, April 13, 2007

It's just not good enough that the accusations were false and there is no case against the Duke 3. Nope, still important to take those cheap shots:
"It's interesting that it comes at the time of the Duke rape case. The boys are off because the girl lied and she didn’t- wasn’t raped. However, it’s interesting to me that a little white boy's club was in effect in the Duke University situation too. You have a bunch of white boys sitting around with black girls, coming in and stripping. Alright, they didn't rape them, but-"
But? But what? They were exploiting her? Name a stripper of any color for whom the same argument couldn't be made. And it isn't just "white boys" who do it.

In case you're wondering this is is Joy Behr on "The View", who, I'm sure, is an authority on "white boy clubs". And, of course, Rose McGowen and Rosie O'Donnell provided the echo chamber.

Elisabeth Hasselbeck is apparently the token sane person on the program (full disclosure, I've never seen the show, but have seen numerous clips of these folks and Hasselbeck on other topics). She said:
I think this is the danger in being accused of something when you're innocent. Because now things like this will stick with them. These are boys who also did sacrifice for their schools, and yes they also had a moment where they had strippers in. Is that the best thing you can do morally? Maybe not. But now being accused of this crime, which they are innocent of is completely painting them with a brush, which is so- it's awful for the rest of their lives.
This actually got applause to which Behar, sensing a shift in approval then said, "I agree with that. That’s true too."

Then came the classic line of the day:
BEHAR: You know what's great about this show? You can hold two thoughts that are antithetical at the same time.
Riiiight. Eyes firmly on the applause meter, antithetical thoughts to the fore our valiant word warriors wave like wispy willow wands in the wind.

Then we come to the real reason for the disappointment over the Duke 3 not ending up in prison for life as blurted out by McGowen:
ROSE McGOWAN: I think the reason the big prejudge went on there and I'm not saying that I, I'm not the only one, because every school I went to usually had — I mean, you could just take those guys and make them a cookie cutter down the line and the girl version of them. I was usually persecuted by them or my friends were, and every single school I went to and I went to a lot. And I think it was very easy to look at them and think, you know, rich white kid who looks, you know, like the kind of guy who used to put me in a head lock on the way to gym class. And, I really actually was hope you’re guilty, because, you know, you should kind of stand for all of them.
"Prejudge". Ever wonder where the word "prejudice" comes from, Ms. McGowan?

(HT: McQ2)

UPDATE: A different argument of sorts:
But the moral is that just because a rape charge is dismissed doesn’t necessarily mean the plaintiff lied or made the whole thing up. In the Duke case perhaps the young woman did make up the story for malicious reasons, or perhaps something happened that evening that genuinely distressed her. We don’t know. Neither does John Podhoretz or any of the several rightie bloggers who are making the Duke plaintiff a target of scorn, derision … or worse.
Well except that little matter of dead-solid exculpatory DNA evidence and all. That argues powerfully that the plaintiff "lied or made the whole thing up". The fact that her charges seem to have no evidentiary basis even while she continued to pursue them (and as her story changed many times) argues for some level of maliciousness.
In our justice system people are assumed to be innocent until proven guilty. That goes both ways, righties. What some of you are doing today is no less heinous than making assumptions of guilt about the defendants. In particular, by exposing her identity and making her the object of ridicule you could be setting up the young woman to be a target of genuine violence or abuse. The world is full of sick puppies who might feel they are justified to “punish” — in the form of assault or homicide — a young black woman for daring to file charges against white men.
Concerning her identity, such anonymity is rightfully reserved for the real victims of rape. Since, according to the AG of NC, she doesn't qualify, there is absolutely no reason to keep her identity from anyone. Obviously no one was particularly concerned with revealing the identity of the 3 defendants in the case and opening them up to being reviled and abused. And they were. If the same concern had been paid to the possibility of them being made objects of abuse as is now being argued for this woman, I might be persuaded. But many automatically assumed (see above) they were guilty and thus demonstrated no concern whatsoever in that regard. Given the fact that this woman seemed to not care one whit about the hell her false charges put them through, I'm having a difficult time mustering a lot of sympathy for her.

And then there's this sad bit of writing:
But perhaps the outpouring of sympathy for Reade Seligman, Collin Finnerty and David Evans is just a bit misplaced. They got special treatment in the justice system—both negative and positive. The conduct of the lacrosse team of which they were members was not admirable on the night of the incident, to say the least. And there are so many other victims of prosecutorial misconduct in this country who never get the high-priced legal representation and the high-profile, high-minded vindication that it strikes me as just a bit unseemly to heap praise and sympathy on these particular men.

So as we rightly cover the vindication of these young men and focus on the genuine ordeal they have endured, let us also remember a few other things:

They were part of a team that collected $800 to purchase the time of two strippers.

Their team specifically requested at least one white stripper.

During the incident, racial epithets were hurled at the strippers.

Colin Finnerty was charged with assault in Washington, DC, in 2005.

The young men were able to retain a battery of top-flight attorneys, investigators and media strategists.

As students of Duke University or other elite institutions, these young men will get on with their privileged lives.
Yeah. that makes it all fine, doesn't it? At best a more erudite version of Rose McGowen.

As John Podhoretz points out, citing that particular article:
As a compendium of fashionable attitudes toward the Duke case, it is incomparable. It's instructive to go through it to examine those attitudes and why they are so noxious.
Agreed.

Jeff Goldstein has another example of the "you don't know what really happened that night ... they weren't found "innocent" ... rich white boys" argument. He then shreds it.
 
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Good grief, McQ, did you have to post that quote from McGowan? From the look of it, her IQ is lower than the number of letters in her name.
 
Written By: steverino
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Their totalitarian colors are sure waving in the breeze this week!
 
Written By: Tball
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Oh my God, the team requested at least one white stripper! The horror!

Why is it somehow racist to find one particular race more visually appealing? If they’d asked for a redhead, would they be hairists against blondes and brunettes?

Of all the things to nitpick, this has to be the silliest.
 
Written By: steverino
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How many women will be raped and NOT get justice because of this lying whore? Will the lefties cry tears for these real victims?
 
Written By: Tball
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Colin Finnerty was charged with assault in Washington, DC, in 2005.
Note - charged with, not convicted of.

Ah, but that matters not - there MUST be some reason why these boys really deserved to be prosecuted, even if they didn’t actually commit a crime, and
if not this crime, perhaps some other crime they were charged with, or maybe because they collected money for strippers, or maybe because...etc...

or....maybe because they were rich white males, and they probably ought to be punished for that because if they haven’t done anything bad yet (and they almost certainly HAVE, I mean, it’s inevitable, look at that one example, they probably gave someone less well off nuggies or something) then they will someday.

 
Written By: looker
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We really will never know if Samhita is a child molestor or not...so can we really say she is innocent?
 
Written By: Tball
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I find it interesting that the people who are judging the Duke 3 for hiring strippers (Terry Moran) are the same people who would tell us not to judge Crystal Gail Mangum based on her past or the fact that she is a stripper.
 
Written By: Paul L
URL: http://kingdomofidiots.blogspot.com/
McQ: Your quote from my blog left out the fact that I had just been discussing ANOTHER rape case with an entirely different set of facts, not just the Duke case. In the other case a young woman in Oregon was VERY unjustly convicted of filing false rape charges, even though it is likely she really was raped. And I wrote that the moral of THAT case "is that just because a rape charge is dismissed doesn’t necessarily mean the plaintiff lied or made the whole thing up." If you’re make fun of us lefties for what we write, do try to be honest about it, OK?

Of course it’s reasonably certain the woman in the Duke case was not raped. Today several columnists accused her of filing the rape charge just to get money. That may have been her motivation, certainly. But we don’t know that she wasn’t abused in some other way, and filed the charge because she was angry. We don’t know, period.

And even if the worst assumptions about her motives and character are true, it’s still reprehensible for a mob, even a virtual one, to single her out for punishment. This comes perilously close to asking someone to physically stalk and assault her. There are plenty of violent people in the world who need very little encouragement to take their rage out on a woman who has been singled out as worthy of punishment.

Any remedies to be sought against her can be sought through the justice system, not by a mob.That’s all I’m saying.
 
Written By: maha
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This actually got applause to which Behar, sensing a shift in approval then said, "I agree with that. That’s true too."

Then came the classic line of the day:
BEHAR: You know what’s great about this show? You can hold two thoughts that are antithetical at the same time.
Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.
Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell
That has to be the money quote. Talk about denuding their whole thought process.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
URL: http://www.qando.net
Your quote from my blog left out the fact that I had just been discussing ANOTHER rape case with an entirely different set of facts, not just the Duke case. In the other case a young woman in Oregon was VERY unjustly convicted of filing false rape charges, even though it is likely she really was raped. And I wrote that the moral of THAT case "is that just because a rape charge is dismissed doesn’t necessarily mean the plaintiff lied or made the whole thing up." If you’re make fun of us lefties for what we write, do try to be honest about it, OK?
A) if you can’t be sure about the Duke thing, as you claim, how can you be sure about the Oregon thing?

B) now that we have that out of the way, tell me how you "honestly" weren’t trying to use that example to make the same sort of argument in the Duke case, ’kay?
And even if the worst assumptions about her motives and character are true, it’s still reprehensible for a mob, even a virtual one, to single her out for punishment.
No one here is defending such action. However, it is apparent to me she’s now in the middle of reaping what she apparently had no problem sowing in the lives of those three. I’m not going to ascribe motive to why she continued to push the charges, but I can, in light of the lack of the evidence, conclude her intent was malicious. Like I said, I’m having a lot of trouble mustering sympathy for her.
 
Written By: McQ
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Thanks for the link Tball
It seems I admitted to being wrong too early.
I predict that if the story [dropped charges in the Duke case] turns out true and the New York Times covers it, the femi-sphere will rant and rave with the heat of a thousand suns.
It just took some time to get over the shock.

Maha, I take it you disagree with the behavior of the Duke Group of 88 (87) during the case.

I agree that no one (mob or otherwise) should perform death threats against, physically stalk and/or assault Crystal.

Public shaming on the other hand.
 
Written By: Paul L
URL: http://kingdomofidiots.blogspot.com/
But we don’t know that she wasn’t abused in some other way

Well actually we DO, as the NC AG said the three were INNOCENT! Not there was insufficient evidence, but that NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED! That kinda puts a big ole’ hole in that theory don’t it?
and filed the charge because she was angry. We don’t know, period.
And we don’t know if you are a man or a womyn or just a highly evolved form of a tricycle. We don’t know if there isn’t a big giant spider of Odal lurking on the fringes of our solar system with nefarious and awful plans that involve making us all lunch, either! There’s LOTS of stuff we DON’T know...but then we have NO evidence of any of this either.

Evidence, not the SERIOUSNESS of the charge is what is important...ANYTHING is "possible", but generally one has to have some evidence to support one’s claims or it’s just rumour or superstition.....
 
Written By: Joe
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Well, to be fair, Joe, the girl could have been abused in some other way... by other people. Or, the Duke players could have been cleared of what they were charged with, but committed some other, presumably much less serious, abuse. But you’re correct; unless some evidence is produced, it’s all speculation.

Paul L - As for that "Group of 88," couldn’t they have just called themselves the Crazy 88? C’mon people, jump on the pop culture bandwagon, it hasn’t been that long since Kill Bill came out.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
URL: http://www.qando.net
Well, to be fair, Joe, the girl could have been abused in some other way... by other people. Or, the Duke players could have been cleared of what they were charged with, but committed some other, presumably much less serious, abuse. But you’re correct; unless some evidence is produced, it’s all speculation.
I grant your point, to an extent, BUT if there was ANY evidence that the LAX team or its guests had committed ANY crime, I think the AG would have mentioned it. IIRC, they just didn’t say the three were innocent, but that NO charges were going to be filed....so it appears NO crime(s) was/were committed, at the house.

As to others, sure...sometime...somewhere....
 
Written By: Joe
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So as we rightly cover the vindication of these young men and focus on the genuine ordeal they have endured, let us also remember a few other things:

They were part of a team that collected $800 to purchase the time of two strippers.

Their team specifically requested at least one white stripper.

During the incident, racial epithets were hurled at the strippers.

Colin Finnerty was charged with assault in Washington, DC, in 2005.

The young men were able to retain a battery of top-flight attorneys, investigators and media strategists.

As students of Duke University or other elite institutions, these young men will get on with their privileged lives
HANG THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! After all, they’re not really victims who suffered. Nobody called them Nappy Headed Hos!
 
Written By: shark
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"You know what’s great about this show? You can hold two thoughts that are antithetical at the same time."
Christ almighty, already. Someone rush an academic faculty recruiter to the scene.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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Aw, Jeez....Rose McGowan: "I really hoped those boys went to prison to be raped and killed because I got an awful noogie once from a frat boy! Sniff!"

You all realize this place is doomed, right?
 
Written By: LauraN
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The Left is being the Left again. You don’t expect a Leopard to change its spots.

The State also says
‘there is no evidence a crime was committed’
WRONG A crime was committed in this case. The criminal is District Attorney Mike Nifong. He has committed perjury, obstruction of Justice, Prosecutorial Misconduct along with violating a long list of Bar Association Rules. He must face the Justice, he denied the defendants. Mike Nifong must be indited for his crimes and, if convicted, face the maximum punishment.

Not only has he destroyed the reputations of three young men, he has seriously wounded faith in the American of Jurisprudence. That is a worse crime than any he may be charged with. It is traditional to develop a word describing some one like this. Perhaps when anyone is railroaded by the legal profession, we would call it "Being Nifonged"
 
Written By: James E. Fish
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It is not "being a mob" to assume that any woman has a motive to lie about rape at least as strong as any guy.

It is not "being a mob" to realize that white guys are second class legal citizens. And they need to act accordingly. That means don’t duck those calls for jury duty. You may be the only hope some poor schlub has. Realize that even if the DA is honest, his hope of getting elected / made a judge / teaching in a law school depends on how many "rich white boys" he convicts to make the "mahas" in Congress / academia / etc. happy... and the laws are set up to make that easy.

It is not "being a mob" to realize that the Left’s commitment to "truth" and "justice" lasts only as long as it’s useful in obtaining the power and control they crave. And that the Left’s definition of those words is never the one found in Webster’s.

And finally, it is not "being a mob" to realize that no amount of appeasement and scraping to the mahas of the world is going to work. So don’t bother. Fight back in any and every way you can. They will.
 
Written By: SDN
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Were I to do what Rose does and say that she should be ’cut out" because she reminds me of the Heathers I knew in high school and college, I’m sure she would be outraged. I’m sure that parallel is beyond her.
 
Written By: bains
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Public shaming on the other hand.


I would suggest return of the ‘Stocks’ of Puritan times. It shames the malefactor with out doing damage.
 
Written By: James E. Fish
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McQ,
Its only indignation is with this one woman, no other woman who has falsely accused has been attacked as she. By what I’ve seen, they are creating more iconography of the black woman. Every black woman that bring charges of rape will be compared to her, even before any evidence is presented. That will set back the gains of prosecuting rape in the future. She is now being referred to as a "lying whore." Now she is more sexualized and selling sex too. That too becomes all black women. If you don’t think racist attitudes will prevail, then you have lived a different world than I. Tawana Brawley is still being brought up, but you know white teenagers can only be disturbed and have emotional problems when they try to cover up some trouble they have gotten in.

You think that you have the only coherent view and that a view like mahablog couldn’t possibly have any credibility. You just trash with impunity and I don’t know how you had the nerve to ever speak of a code of conduct.

The driving force was the DA; Ms. Mangum has no power. When false charges that have been brought before, some defendants have gone through a trial before they were exonerated. These men reputations may have been as damaged as those Duke Lacrosse players. Are the Duke Lacrosse players any more special, and what makes them more special? In fact when I heard this, I thought, this is yet another college sports team that has gotten in trouble. I did not make it my business to know all the personal stuff about each member, or try dissect their personality. I could not tell you their names. Even in the blogosphere, they were not often referred to by their names, they became icons themselves instead of individuals. This entire incident has become a morality play. It is not about preventing rape or being able to give credibility to rape victim, it is only about this black woman. It is certainly not about false accusations, there are other current examples. I don’t think their reputations in the white community has been tarnished, since the charges have been dropped. Most were sympathetic in the beginning, believing them to be innocent until proven guilty. In the black community it may be different, but what would you expect given the history of the south. What blacks think will not have any effect on their lives.

I have been accused of making it hard for other rape victims. I don’t know about those have said this, but it has been up close and personal for me. I have been sexually assaulted and wasn’t bruised in the vaginal area, nor penetrated (not for the lack of the perpetrator trying), the only thing visible were scratches on my neck. So when I read the analysis of the evidence here in the comments, I thought, what a bunch of crap. No, I am not trying to take any latent anger out on those guys.
 
Written By: VRB
URL: http://hathor-sekhmet.blogspot.com
if you can’t be sure about the Duke thing
For someone who can’t be sure, Maha (as usual) spits out every falsehood related to the case. All those statements are the kind of nastiness that someone like her ilk deal in. For example, the racial epithets statement is a lie and it comes from a sleazy editorial writer who wanted to spice up the case. It has been debunked. As for the rest, Google it. Or better yet, read K.C Johnson’s blog. He is a liberal who hasn’t sole his sold to petty partisan politics.

I actually had to go there and read that stuff. Yuck, now I have to take a shower. Now I remember why I don’t like reading reading this sort of leftist garbage.
 
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