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Iraq: Funding shifts for military begin
Posted by: McQ on Friday, April 13, 2007

While "Alternate President" Nancy Pelosi, et al, are enjoying their spring break, RS Insider, via National Journal, points out that some of the fund shifting in the military the left claimed wouldn't happen or if it did wouldn't be such a big deal has begun:

Those funding shifts being requested include:
* Defense Secretary Gates will soon ask lawmakers to approve the transfer of $1.6 billion from Air Force and Navy personnel accounts to cover the costs of Army operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

* The Army already has had to reduce quality of life improvements, including upgrades to barracks and other facilities, Gates wrote.

* Officials also have reduced repair and maintenance used for deployment training and cut back on training exercises for non-deployed Guard and Reserve units.
If funding isn't approved by mid-May, look for this to happen:
* ... the Army will reduce the pace of equipment overhaul work at Army depots…

* ... curtail training rotations for some brigades scheduled for overseas deployment, and…

* ... delay transforming Army brigades into more modular units.
For you with further questions of what this means, I talked about it at some length here and here. Also when at RedState read the letter from Sec. Gates to Sen Byrd outlining the impact in detail.
 
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Earn while you learn time at the House of Representatives.
 
Written By: Dave Schuler
URL: http://www.theglitteringeye.com
At least they’re not arbitrarily extending the length of deployments by 33%. We’ll see what upsets military families more, eh?


 
Written By: glasnost
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At least they’re not arbitrarily extending the length of deployments by 33%. We’ll see what upsets military families more, eh?
Not arbitrarily Glasnost, you might have missed the civics lesson, but the President is CiC and he sets or can set your deployment time.

And you might have missed history class, too, so here’s a little blurb for you. My father enlisted in 1942. Deployed in 1943, came home in 1946...Tours of Duty last as long as the War Department/DoD say they last.

And one year is LESS than THREE years, in case you missed the Math class, too.
 
Written By: Joe
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At least they’re not arbitrarily extending the length of deployments by 33%.
A) it’s not arbitrary. It is most likely in reaction to the pending lack of money. It’s cheaper to keep troops in place than to deploy them. So you save some funds by doing that. If the administration is smart, that’s how they’ll explain it to the families.

B) it’s 20% for Army units (Army tours are 12 months)
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
It is most likely in reaction to the pending lack of money.

I think it’s a reaction to a perceived need to extend the surge indefinitely, which GWB had in his back pocket the whole time, but decided would be a hard sell on the front end of it.

But I remain open to contrary evidence, of course.

 
Written By: glasnost
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which GWB had in his back pocket the whole time, but decided would be a hard sell on the front end of it.

But I remain open to contrary evidence, of course.
As a groundless ASSERTION the general rule is YOU are the one that needs to provide some evidence to support your claim....

I understand that Glasnost is the Presidnet of NAMBLA; but I remain open to contrary evidence, of course.

And the extension to 15 months is 25% increase in tour length, in Iraq...IIRC, for the Army it was 12 months, now 15 months.
 
Written By: Joe
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WOW NAMBLA? No kidding?

That might be as unsubstantiated an allegation as crediting GWB (a known dummy by the left-o-sphere) with almost evil genius capabilities in planning the entire episode of the Dems not sending the military spending bill up for veto, etc, etc, etc.

Who knew?
 
Written By: looker
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WOW NAMBLA? No kidding?
According Kos and Jane Hamsher...again though, I am open to contrary evidence. I just don’t my kids hanging around him or her, I mean what if it’s true?
 
Written By: Joe
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Heck, even if it isn’t true! I mean, it’s been said so there must be a reason beind it...

"False, but accurate"

And since it amused me, here’s a great thread from Patterico’s blog... Starts out as one thing, and morphs into Iraq War fighting...

And I have the neatest flyer from school I would like to discuss with McQ and co tonight...
 
Written By: Scott
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btw, that like might not be Work Safe, if vulgarity is a no-no...

I tend to get a lil foul-mouthed when dealing with morons...

"Parental Advisory: I say ’F**k’ alot"
 
Written By: Scott
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link... that LINK might not be work safe. Darn cruddy keyboard... New one is bought and on it’s way...
 
Written By: Scott
URL: http://
Parental Advisory: I say ’F**k’ alot"
(and now for the Emily Latella memorial moment)
Firetruck? what’s wrong with the word Firetruck?

*...whisper whisper whisper...F%#K...*

!?!!!

Oh! Never mind!
 
Written By: looker
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it’s not arbitrary. It is most likely in reaction to the pending lack of money
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10. “Everything will be OK just as soon we get a Democrat in the White House.”

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8. “After we overcome the remaining Christians, then we can really remake the world!”

7. “Pelosi knows who’s really in charge. Did you know she has a burqa by Prada?”

6. “Essentially, I hold my office for life. Can you believe who people will vote for?”

5. “Where would we be without the New York Times!”

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Written By: James E. Fish
URL: http://faroutfishfiles.blogspot.com/
You want some evidence, Joe? Well, since I was offering my opinion, as a reaction to McQ’s opinion - and neither of us provided evidence either way, since we were having a conversation - I don’t owe you a da*n thing.

But since it happened to fall into my lap on a rather completely unrelated issue search, here you go:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/

Tuesday: George Bush tells the American Legion, "If Congress fails to pass a [war funding] bill I can sign by mid-May, the problems grow even more acute....Some of our forces now deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq may need to be extended, because other units are not ready to take their places."

Wednesday: Defense Secretary Robert Gates announces, "Effective immediately, active Army units now in the Central Command area of responsibility and those headed there will deploy for not more than 15 months...." That’s a 3-month extension of the normal 12-month tour of duty.

Later in the press conference, Gates says they would have announced the new policy later, but someone leaked it and forced their hand.

Thursday: Dana Perino takes questions from the press:

Q: Why did [Bush] tell the American Legion that people would be staying in Iraq longer because of the Democrats, when his own Pentagon, 24 hours later, was going to keep people there longer?

MS. PERINO: Well, one, I don’t know if the President knew about the — the meeting — remember, yesterday morning is when Secretary Gates came and talked to the President....

Q: And so the President didn’t know about his own policy until Wednesday?

MS. PERINO: I’m not aware that the President knew that there was going to be — that Secretary Gates had come to any decisions.

Well, that’s possible, isn’t it? Alternatively, perhaps Bush was assuming the new policy wouldn’t be announced until after he’d had a chance to veto the war funding bill, thus making it look like the Democrats were responsible for the longer tours of duty. Of course, that would be a very cynical interpretation of events, wouldn’t it?


 
Written By: glasnost
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That might be as unsubstantiated an allegation as crediting GWB (a known dummy by the left-o-sphere) with almost evil genius capabilities in planning the entire episode of the Dems not sending the military spending bill up for veto, etc, etc, etc.

That’s not the allegation. The allegation is as follows:

#1. Keeping the surge level of forces past its original six-month timeline, as sold to us by the Admin itself, requires extended tours of duty.

#2. It’s become clear that the surge needs to go longer than six months, according to the White House’s judgement.

#3. Now that the funding controversy came up, the White House hopes to blame the deployment extension on that policy, when it in fact would have been necessary regardless of any funding dynamic.

This shouldn’t be hard to figure out with a lot of info on rotations. We created the surge, I recall hearing, by rushing deployments forward while keeping units scheduled to leave in place, rather than adding them. Logically, you’d extend it by the same mechanism.

So, betters against?
 
Written By: glasnost
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Extending rotation to 15 months in country, brings the Army to full efficiency. Studies of the Vietnam was showed at the 12-months mark, when he was rotated home, the line soldier was a ‘peak efficiency’. The study showed the trooper stayed at ‘peak efficiency’ until about the 15-th month. Was the 12 month period did is like retiring a Boxer when he was ready for the Championship fight.
 
Written By: James E. Fish
URL: http://faroutfishfiles.blogspot.com/
Studies of the Vietnam was showed at the 12-months mark,
As someone else put it, we didn’t fight in Vietnam for 10 years, we fought for 1 year 10 times.
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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Ah yes. In the world of "glasnost", you can have one and only reason to do anything. And no-one, absolutely no one, in the Army would plan ahead to stretch funds. After all, absolutely no one would have foreseen that the Democratic controlled Congress would attempt to cut funding.
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
URL: http://
After all, absolutely no one would have foreseen that the Democratic controlled Congress would attempt to cut funding.
I am going to take this as satire, cuz the Democrats said, shortly after the election but before taking office, what they were going to do. They are trying, ineffectively, to accomplish it. If someone says they are a lier, I’ll believe them, they probably are telling the truth. No one lies all the time...well excepting the usual suspects.
 
Written By: James E. Fish
URL: http://faroutfishfiles.blogspot.com/

 
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