Unfortunately I think there’s more to this Turkey/Islamist thing than the simple good vs bad. Check out Instapundit’s Turkey Corespondent, Claire Berlinski. I wasn’t there, but it was definitely a state-run (i.e., nationalist, Kemalist) show. This was planned a long time ago. It doesn’t necessarily mean much about what people are really thinking. By the way, the fact that Turkish nationalists are anti-Islamists should not lead anyone to conclude that they’re Western-style democrats. Despite Erdoğan’s Islamist past, one of the basic conflicts here is that he wants to open Turkish society. Here’s a good discussion of this point. The demonstrators are concerned that Erdoğan isn’t committed to secularism, probably for good reason, but Erdoğan’s supporters are — also for good reason — concerned that the Kemalists’ aren’t committed to democracy. |
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These aren’t new developments; the major issues at play now are NOT Islam vs. the West, but internal to Islam, as the conservative traditional interpretations of the Ulama give rise to modern alternatives (Islam had back about a thousand years ago a time when rationalism prevailed over the current view, but that got defeated). We are witnessing the birth pains of an Islamic reformation, a move towards a different form of Islam. The extremists are anti-Western because of the success of western ideas on influencing average Muslims and creating a desire for a faith that can co-exist with modern ideas. The extremists fear they will lose out to the West unless they are in power and can defeat or at least de-legitimize modern and moderate Islam. We have to make sure that in our zeal to fight extremism, we don’t undercut the moderates (which moderates in Iran have already complained about — our policies make their job harder). |
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We have to make sure that in our zeal to fight extremism, we don’t undercut the moderates (which moderates in Iran have already complained about — our policies make their job harder). Which policies are those?
Ahmanutjob has been pushing ahead with the development of nukes at the same time he sponsors a holocaust denial conference and hints about destroying Israel. So far the only policy that the administration has pursued is an attempt to deal with the issue diplomatically and (unsuccessfully) to secure international support for sanctions. Is even that too much? |
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Ahmanutjob has been pushing ahead with the development of nukes at the same time he sponsors a holocaust denial conference and hints about destroying Israel. So far the only policy that the administration has pursued is an attempt to deal with the issue diplomatically and (unsuccessfully) to secure international support for sanctions. Is even that too much? Hopefully he’ll be out after 2009, even conservatives in Iran are turning on him for his unnecessarily confrontational and controversial style. In recent elections for the Council of Experts the conservatives did very poorly, assuring that the moderates will choose the next Supreme Leader. What the administration has to do is balance the fine line between sending a clear message to Iranian elites that "talk and action like this does you more harm than good" and "we can overcome the difficulties through pragmatic negotiation."
At this point, Bush is probably handling Iran OK — there have been talks and a lot of behind the scenes diplomatic action. At the same time, it’s clear that Ahmadinejad has been hurt by the negative reaction of the West to his rhetoric. Ultimately, though, I think we’ll need to recognize that we can’t just demand Iran jump through our hoops "or else." Perhaps Ahmadinejad’s current weak position in his own country creates an opening for creative diplomacy. |
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Turkey is also trying to get into the EU. Becoming an Islamic state will not help that effort. |
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Hi Bruce;
I’ve nominated your writing for the Thinking Blog award. I continue to appreciate how you help me challenge my assumptions and broaden understanding. I don’t always agree with your conclusions, but I savor the chance to explore ideas, values, and attitudes at a more critical level. Keep up the good work! |
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OK, Good. That’s one. It’s a start. |
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