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VA Tech shooting dominating the news cycle (update: shooter ID’d)
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, April 17, 2007

And, of course, that's to be expected. Not that much new information available. From CNN:
The gunman who opened fire in Virginia Tech's Norris Hall, killing 30 people before turning the gun on himself, was "one of our students," university President Charles Steger said Tuesday.

The shooter was an Asian male who lived in a Virginia Tech dormitory, the president said, declining to provide further details.

Steger added that he was still uncertain whether the gunman at Norris was the one who fatally shot two people in a dorm two hours earlier.

However, the president said he didn't think a second gunman was on the loose.

University police Chief Wendell Flinchum said Monday night police have a preliminary identification of one gunman, but they were not ready to release it.

The university and police are still in the process of releasing the names of the 32 people killed in Monday's shootings.

A doctor at a Blacksburg hospital described the injuries he saw Monday as "amazing" and the shooter as "brutal."

"There wasn't a shooting victim that didn't have less than three bullet wounds in them," said Dr. Joseph Cacioppo of Montgomery Regional Hospital.

Even among the less serious injuries, Cacioppo said, "we saw one patient that had a bullet wound to the wrist, one to the elbow and one to the thigh. We had another one with a bullet wound to the abdomen, one to the chest and one to the head."

A law enforcement source close to the investigation said a .22-caliber handgun and a 9 mm handgun were recovered at the scene.
A good resource for those following the story is the Va Tech newspaper here.

Bryan at Hot Air has a tentative ID of the shooter and some other interesting info.

Questions raised yesterday remain mostly unanswered.

The incident has naturally begun the gun control debate anew. Look for both sides to be weighing in and justifying their positions over the coming weeks.

UPDATE: The shooter has been identified as Cho Seung-Hui, 23, a student and native of South Korea.

Anger is beginning to build over how this incident was handled by the university:
"I think the university has blood on their hands because of their lack of action after the first incident," said Billy Bason, 18, who lives on the seventh floor of the dorm.

Student Maurice Hiller said he went to a 9 a.m. class two buildings away from the engineering building, and no warnings were coming over the outdoor public address system on campus at the time.

Everett Good, junior, said of the lack of warning: “I'm trying to figure that out. Someone's head is definitely going to roll over that.”

“We were kept in the dark a lot about exactly what was going on,” said Andrew Capers Thompson, a 22-year-old graduate student from Walhalla, S.C.
Virginia Tech school website has more info. Classes have been canceled for the rest of the week and Norris Hall closed for the rest of the semester.

The Sun (UK) is reporting the names of 14 of the victims although it appears to get many of the other facts about the shootings wrong (both guns weren't 9mm and the second person killed in the dorm was a student adviser, not the new boyfriend, etc.).

And in the midst of the terror, heroics:
As Jews worldwide honored on Monday the memory of those who were murdered in the Holocaust, a 75-year-old survivor sacrificed his life to save his students in Monday's shooting at Virginia Tech College that left 32 dead and over two dozen wounded.

Professor Liviu Librescu, 76, threw himself in front of the shooter, who had attempted to enter his classroom. The Israeli mechanics and engineering lecturer was shot to death, "but all the students lived - because of him," Virginia Tech student Asael Arad - also an Israeli - told Army Radio.

Several of Librescu's other students sent e-mails to his wife, Marlena, telling of how he blocked the gunman's way and saved their lives, said the son, Joe.
It's unfounded speculation like this I find incredibly offensive. Start from the bottom up, as the updates are put on top on this particular blog:
**** UPDATE #3, 04/17/07: The shooter has now been identified as a South Korean national. ****

**** UPDATE #2: The shooter has now been identified as a Chinese national here on a student visa. Lovely. Yet another reason to stop letting in so many foreign students. ****

**** UPDATE: Shootings appear professional, says expert; VTU Alum on school's "Asian" Population; 2nd Amenment-Free Campus/VTU lobbied against students having guns on campus for personal protection ****

Here's what we know about the murderer of at least 32 students and maimer of at least 28 more at Virginia Tech, today:

* The murderer has been identified by law enforcement and media reports as "a young Asian male."

* The Virginia Tech campus has a very large Muslim community, many of which are from Pakistan (per terrorism investigator Bill Warner).

* Pakis are considered "Asian."
As mentioned above, expect reaction on both sides of the gun debate to emerge. Also expect Europe to act in a specific way as outlined by Der Spiegel:
With a view to Monday's deadly shooting rampage at Virginia Tech, European newspapers are blaming the lack of gun control measures in the United States and implying that Charlton Heston is indirectly responsible for the scope of the killings.
Well, at least it's not Bush's fault ... yet.

UPDATE II: More info on the shooter (HT: Keith_Indy). As Keith says, some things just seem to fall into a predictable pattern:
Cho had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, according to an investigative source, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women.

Investigators believe Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression. They are examining Cho's computer for more evidence.

"He was very quiet, always by himself,"

[...]

"He was a loner," said Larry Hincker, a university spokesman, who added that investigators are having some difficulty unearthing information about him.

[...]

"There was some concern about him," [Professor Carolyn] Rude said. "Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imagining things or just how real it might be. But we're all alert to not ignore things like this."

She said Cho was referred to the counseling service, but she said she did not know when, or what the outcome was.
The "creative writing" Cho was doing (he was an English major):
The note included a rambling list of grievances, according to sources. They said Cho also died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on one of his arms.

[...]

A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.
Before everyone goes "jihadi" on us with the "Ismail Ax" noted on the killer's arm in red ink, Allahpundit at Hot Air provides a possible link from a reader:
You probably already know this, but in James Fennimore Cooper’s story “The Prairie,” the settler Ishmael Bush, who is attempting to escape from civilization, sets out across the prairie with two key tools, a gun and an axe. Each has a symbolic meaning. The axe — which can either kill or provide shelter — stands for both creation and destruction. Given that the VT killer was an English major, might this be the likely meaning of the words on his arm? Just my two cents.
Worth consideration before leaping to other conclusions.

Another point to ponder (from Hot Air). Why was the death toll so high? The simple explanation may be "high wind":
From what I understand, due to the high winds yesterday, no area hospitals (or the VA State Police) were flying helicopters. Thus, all of the wounded—even the most critical victims—had to be transported to hospitals via ambulance.

On a normal day, the most critically injured could have been transported by air to Roanoke or even UVA Hospital in Charlottesville. With the helicopters grounded, UVA was no longer an option at all and Roanoke was a 20-30min drive, which left smaller, regional hospitals—less equipped to deal with very serious injuries—to handle most of the victims.
If they had anything like we had here in GA, it was a wind no helicopter would be able to fly in.
 
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Seems the westboro loonies are setting sights again.

http://msunderestimated.com/2007/04/16/fred-phelps-gang-to-picket-virginia-techs-funerals/

Do these idiots have no decency? What kind of tard get mixed up with these people?
 
Written By: josh b
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This school shooting is no big deal. How do I know that? Simple- none of the shot kids were called "nappy headed ho’s"

I would seriously love to take those stupid whiny Rutgers girls and their coach, drag then down to the scene of this slaughter and basically rub their faces in it. Maybe then they would learn what the terms "suffering", "traumatized" and "scarred for life" really mean.

Right Rev. Al?
 
Written By: shark
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Pfft... Al And Jesse are thrilled...

An Israeli professor died...

But you’re dead on, shark. THIS is trauma. An insult? Doesn’t even register...
 
Written By: Scott
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Shark, it wasn’t those "stupid whiny Rutgers girls and their coach" that got Imus fired.

It was the "vast-left-wing-conspiracy," led my Media Matters, that saw chum in the water and attacked. Attacking at best a neutral personality, at worst an ally.

It was the professional victim-ologists who raised the huff and furry, egged on by the 24/7 media/entertainment complex.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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It’s unfounded speculation like this I find incredibly offensive.
People find a way to foist their prejudices on the event.
 
Written By: cap joe
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With a view to Monday’s deadly shooting rampage at Virginia Tech, European newspapers are blaming the lack of gun control measures in the United States and implying that Charlton Heston is indirectly responsible for the scope of the killings
But the campus was a gun-free zone!

I’m suprised Michael Bloomberg ("America’s Mommy") hasn’t chimed in yet.
 
Written By: shark
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Shockingly, (and believe me I know how crazy this sounds.) JPod has the best take on this tendency to fit this horror into an agenda that I’ve seen.
 
Written By: Retief
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We know shark... We know...

The facts don’t really matter though... Not to them...

That this guy had these weapons in violation of state law will go almost completely unreported. They will call for new laws, ignoring the fact that an existing law would have stopped this...
 
Written By: Scott
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Going back to your post on Darfur being left to fester and the suffering of others, this attack may be another useful reminder that people in other countries are real too. 32 dead in a mass shooting is still a lighter than average day in Iraq. An event like that or worse, everyday, for the past four years.

The one has nothing to do with the other, but it may serve to give us some perspective. Oh and, let’s not forget all the good news from there too.
 
Written By: Retief
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Apperently, Cho’s been in the US for 14 years

Now, at 28 and not even an Associates degree, I’m what you might call "slow" when it comes to college (I’m getting my act together though).

But 14 years as a lit major?

You think maybe you should pick another field after a decade?
 
Written By: Scott
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Now, at 28 and not even an Associates degree, I’m what you might call "slow" when it comes to college (I’m getting my act together though).

But 14 years as a lit major?
Check out Dr Helen’s blog on this....this seems typical to me. The fellow at Appalachian State, the fellow at the university that murdered his advisor with a hammer, they all were academic "failures." Any way Dr Helen at http://www.drhelen.blogspot.com/ had a piece on folks like this and their narcicistic (sp.) mindset. Often the people they kill, not in this case it seems, are the folks who tried the hardest to help them....
 
Written By: Joe
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But 14 years as a lit major?
Where are you getting that from?

He was in the US for 14 years, he was 23 years old.

I would assume he’s been in college for 3-4 years.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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Ah. My bad Keith. Forgot the whole "23 years old" thing...

I just saw "in the US for 14 years" . Totally my bad...

And I just saw this...

Oh goody. He left us a note. *Insert Church Lady voice here* Isn’t that special...
 
Written By: Scott
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Asked from the White House Pres Corps today:
Q Columbine, Amish school shooting, now this, and a whole host of other gun issues brought into schools — that’s not including guns on the streets and in many urban areas and rural areas. Does there need to be some more restrictions? Does there need to be gun control in this country?
Gun control works quite well actually. The law-abiding citizens who may want guns have a tough time getting them. When it comes to criminals, the laws are (as they always are for those who set to break them) meaningless and useless.
 
Written By: shark
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Gun control works quite well actually. The law-abiding citizens who may want guns have a tough time getting them. When it comes to criminals, the laws are (as they always are for those who set to break them) meaningless and useless.
YMMV - here in Indiana it’s easy for a law abiding citizen to get a firearm. And not very hard to get a carry permit.

Now, if only people would move to state whose laws agreed with their opinions, we could all live in peace.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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Read this editorial which explains a little about why the shooters tend to fall into certain patterns...

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-fox17apr17,0,6739883.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail
First, perpetrators have a long history of frustration and failure and a diminished ability to cope with life’s disappointments.

Second, they externalize blame, frequently complaining that others didn’t give them a chance. Sometimes they argue that their ethnic or racial group or gender isn’t getting the breaks that others are.

Third, these killers generally lack emotional support from friends or family. You’ve read the "he always seemed to be something of a loner" quote? It has a grounding in reality.

Fourth, they generally suffer a precipitating event they view as catastrophic. This is most often some sort of major disappointment: the loss of a job or the breakup of a relationship.

Fifth, they need access to a weapon powerful enough to satisfy their need for revenge.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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If they had anything like we had here in GA, it was a wind no helicopter would be able to fly in.
From the footage I saw on TV last night (SNOW???), there was a hell of a gusting wind. Constant high winds they could deal with, but those gusts are brutal on helicopters, I would imagine...
 
Written By: Scott
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Also, one of the doc’s said that even the "merely" wounded had at least three gunshot wounds.

I can imagine not much can be done for a lot of folks after three rounds go in them at anything close to the right spot. You just have to nick an arterie once for a LOT of blood to start leaving...
 
Written By: Scott
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Fifth, they need access to a weapon powerful enough to satisfy their need for revenge.
This VA Tech shooting is the worst in our history—and the killer used a 9 mm pistol and a .22 pistol.

The previous record holder was a Lubby’s, and he used two 9 mm pistols.

Not particularly powerful or effective weapons. However, 9 mm is highly dependent on the type of ammo used: the best modern JHPs are very effective.
Also, one of the doc’s said that even the "merely" wounded had at least three gunshot wounds.
Here in San Diego, the police shot a perp 27 times with 9 mms before they got him to stop missbehaving. The police shooting in the incident was good: it was a case of bullet failure. The light 115 gr JHPs they were using expanded well but failed to penetrate sufficiently. The round that brought the perp down was a lucky shot that hit the carotid artery, a relatively superficial target.
 
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