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In Iran, the self-appointed "morality police" have the power to summarily kill
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, April 19, 2007

What a lovely place to have to live:
The Iranian Supreme Court has overturned the murder convictions of six members of a prestigious state militia who killed five people they considered “morally corrupt.”

Three lower court rulings found all the men guilty of murder. Their cases had been appealed to the Supreme Court, which overturned the guilty verdicts. The latest decision, made public this week, reaffirms that reversal.

“The objection by the relatives of the victims is dismissed, and the ruling of this court is confirmed,” the court said in a one-page verdict.

According to the Supreme Court’s earlier decision, the killers, who are members of the Basiji Force, volunteer vigilantes favored by the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, considered their victims morally corrupt and, according to Islamic teachings and Iran’s Islamic penal code, their blood could therefore be shed.

The last victims, for example, were a young couple engaged to be married who the killers claimed were walking together in public.
Why were the 5 exonerated?
Iran’s Islamic penal code, which is a parallel system to its civic code, says murder charges can be dropped if the accused can prove the killing was carried out because the victim was morally corrupt.
And in Iran, "blood money" is still required for wrongful killing. The going price?
This is true even if the killer identified the victim mistakenly as corrupt. In that case, the law requires “blood money” to be paid to the family. Every year in Iran, a senior cleric determines the amount of blood money required in such cases. This year it is $40,000 if the victim is a Muslim man, and half that for a Muslim woman or a non-Muslim.
Huh ... an eternal half-price sale on women and infidels. What can bring a "moral corruption" summary death penalty?
At the same time, he laid out examples of moral corruption that do permit bloodshed, including armed banditry, adultery by a wife and insults to the Prophet Muhammad.
And, of course, the heinous crime of an unmarried couple walking together in public.

How did this particular crime just sanctioned by Iran's Supreme Court occur?
The ruling stems from a case in 2002 in Kerman that began after the accused watched a tape by a senior cleric who ruled that Muslims could kill a morally corrupt person if the law failed to confront that person.

Some 17 people were killed in gruesome ways after that viewing, but only five deaths were linked to this group.The six accused, all in their early 20s, explained to the court that they had taken their victims outside the city after they had identified them. Then they stoned them to death or drowned them in a pond by sitting on their chests.
And apparently this is not that uncommon:
Such killings have occurred in the past. A member of the security forces shot and killed a young man in 2005 in the subway in Karaj, near Tehran, for what he also claimed was immoral behavior by the victim.

A judge caused outrage in 2004 in Neka, in the north, after he issued a death sentence for a 16-year old girl for what he said were chastity crimes. After the summary trial, he had her hanged in public immediately, before the necessary approval from the Supreme Court.

Neither man has been punished.
My guess is, however, that right now in Iran, they're tut-tutting about the morally bankrupt West as exemplified by the Va Tech killings. Of course, the obvious difference between the barbarous acts in each country is we haven't legally sanctified our barbarians.
 
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So too in this country people. Wake up can’t you see the same thing in the BFEE? Be more than a standard deviation from the norm and what happens to you?
 
Written By: Joe
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Do the names Mel Carhnahan and Paul Wellstone mean NOTHING to you guys? And then there was JFK, this cabal in charge is covered in blood...

SHEEPLE LOOK UP!
 
Written By: Joe
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Charming the
At the same time, he laid out examples of moral corruption that do permit bloodshed, including armed banditry, adultery by a wife and insults to the Prophet Muhammad
Part. But nary a peep from the Feminists.
 
Written By: Crusader
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How many times do you need to be told? There is nothing to see here. Islam is a religion of peace.
 
Written By: timactual
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I suppose Erb will say this is all evidence of the increasing liberalisation in Iran.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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Don’t forget that when they do hang someone, it isn’t by a drop to break the neck. It’s by using a crane to raise you into the sky while you choke to death.
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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In Iran, the self-appointed "morality police" have the power to summarily kill
Yeah, but what happens in Iran if you call someone a "Nappy Headed Ho"???
 
Written By: shark
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Yes, we can anticipate a great silence from the likes of Professor Erb. Facts like this do not exist in Liberal LaLaLand as they are inconsistent with the Liberal Narrative that holds that Islam is no threat to our way of life.
 
Written By: notherbob2
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“I refuse to read, watch or listen to any more … of this. I’ll just switch to CD and put in Blue Oyster Cult’s "Don’t Fear the Reaper."

Professor Erb inadvertently (in another comment on QandO) discloses his method of dealing with facts that are inconsistent with the Liberal Narrative.
 
Written By: notherbob2
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"You never ask questions when God’s on your side"
 
Written By: James E. Fish
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Yeah, we still hold the moral high ground over Iran. Here’s to making that gap as clear as possible by continuing to hold ourselves to high ethical standards in our international affairs.

Nasty stuff. They’re slowly undermining their own state with this behavior. They’ll implode over time.

I’m still waiting for one of a right-wing lurker to publicly update their biases on the NYT, where this story was published. As they demonstrate every day, they report stories on nasty behavior, no matter what country it comes from.
 
Written By: glasnost
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The sad thing is that Iran was liberalizing through 2003, when anti-Americanism led to the election of the first conservative Majles and President since the revolution. Since then the hardliners have re-asserted power and attempted to use the emotion of the nuclear issue and standing up to the West in order to keep the emotional support of the people.

They’re losing. They lost big time in the Council of Experts election (which chooses the next Supreme Leader), and bets are that Ahmadinejad will not win re-election in 2009. There are more protests and actions by the public against the regime, all at great risk. The US has to be careful not to play into the hardliners hands by providing a convenient enemy that they can use to arouse nationalism and emotion — anti-Americanism is a potent weapon in Iran. At the same time, we can’t legitimate their regime. The best bet is to treat them like we did the evil of the 20th century — with realism. Deal when it is in our mutual interest, recognize strategic realities, but continue to support our ideals. The strategic fact is that the US really has no good options with Iran, and perhaps that is the worst of many strategic disasters which has resulted from the war with Iraq. Attacking Iraq like we did helped Iran the most — now, and in 1991.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
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and bets are that Ahmadinejad will not win re-election in 2009.
That’s cute... You think there will be actual elections (or ones that matter, at any rate)

I predict that unless we’ve gone to war with Iran by then, he’ll be re-elected by a huge margin, even though no one voted for him.
 
Written By: Scott
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"The sad thing is that Iran was liberalizing through 2003, when anti-Americanism led to the election of the first conservative Majles and President since the revolution."

If a butterfly flaps its wings in Iowa, what happens in Iran Scott? Hurricanes?

Show me evidence that anti-Americanism caused the election results and not other factors such as a systemic bias in their system...the last liberal leader in Iran got NOTHING done, despite promising reforms.

Presidential candidates must be approved by the Council of Guardians prior to running in order to ensure their allegiance to the ideals of the Islamic revolution.

All Majlis candidates and all legislation from the assembly must be approved by the Council of Guardians.

The Assembly of Experts, which meets for one week annually, comprises 86 "virtuous and learned" clerics elected by adult suffrage for eight-year terms. As with the presidential and parliamentary elections, the Council of Guardians determines candidates’ eligibility.


Seems to me that this would make it hard to determine the people’s will at those levels of elections.
 
Written By: Harun
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That’s cute... You think there will be actual elections (or ones that matter, at any rate)

I predict that unless we’ve gone to war with Iran by then, he’ll be re-elected by a huge margin, even though no one voted for him.
Your prediction is noted. But if Ahmadinejad were rigging the elections, the conservatives would not have fared so badly in local elections and especially to the Council of Experts. Iran’s conservatives have lost in just about every election, and most people see Iran’s elections as fair — though the big limit on democracy is that the Guardian Council has to approve who can be candidates. Still, there are marked differences between conservatives and moderates.

If we are at war with Iran by 2009, it will be an unmitigated disaster for the US. We’ll have economic collapse and the military will buckle. I think the Pentagon will scare Bush away from any kind of war, they know the military risk. But Ahmadinejad isn’t even popular now amongst conservatives. He doesn’t have the capacity to rig an election.

And to Harun: even Iranian reformists are angry at the US for trying to pressure Iran and for the Iraq war which has stoked nationalist sentiments. To pretend that the sudden rise in Iranian nationalism (there were numerous quotes at the election time of people who voted for the hardliners to send a message to the US) had nothing to do with anti-Americanism is absurd. We are the least popular state on the planet right now thanks to our foreign policy. That doesn’t matter to you, I know. But it has consequences.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
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We are the least popular state on the planet right now thanks to our foreign policy.
And when has it been otherwise? During the halcyon days of President Carter?
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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And to Harun: even Iranian reformists are angry at the US for trying to pressure Iran and for the Iraq war which has stoked nationalist sentiments. To pretend that the sudden rise in Iranian nationalism (there were numerous quotes at the election time of people who voted for the hardliners to send a message to the US) had nothing to do with anti-Americanism is absurd.

—Let’s see those quotes shall we? Let’s also check out voter turn-out for elections where hardliners were possibly "chosen" as candidates vs. liberals, and also review the disappointment with the liberal reforming president who was not effective. But yeah, you could be right that America invading Iraq could piss of the Iranian people, I mean Saddam Hussein was a good friend of theirs...

"We are the least popular state on the planet right now thanks to our foreign policy. That doesn’t matter to you, I know. But it has consequences."

Yeah, because I live overseas and have to deal with the consequences while you enjoy it safely from your living room, I guess. I also know that 75% of anti-Americanism is by people who have never met an American, don’t understand what’s up in the world, and who view such things as a football match.

Hey, look, Erb, I also had to explain to angry Taiwanese what Clinton meant when he went to China and essentially agreed to their foreign policy vis a vis Taiwan...not fun...luckily we had the chance to send our carriers over to reverse his mistake he made in Shanghai...my basic understanding of the anti-Americanism is that no matter what we do, we will piss of a large portion of the planet.
 
Written By: Harun
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Wow, and there was me thinking of going there on a skiing holiday (seriously), partly because it’s close and cheap, but also just for the kick of having been there. So any fanatic loony can watch me until I do something remotely unislamic (hold my wife’s hand in public maybe, or talk to a woman I’m not related to) and then kill me ? Hmmm...won’t be calling Iran Air anytime soon...
 
Written By: Blewyn
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Harun, I can’t find a link to the quotes of average Iranians voting hardline in 2004 and 2005; I suspect I heard them on a TV or radio report. I did find this, though, about Iranian reformists warning the West that pressuring Iran threatens democracy:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/f2af1b68-f8ba-11d9-8fc8-00000e2511c8.html

Also, the fact that the hardliners did unprecedently well after the US started its war clearly suggests that there was a backlash. Anti-Americanism is much higher now world wide than any time I can recall, especially amongst our allies. This is precisely the worst time for this to happen. We have to learn a bit of humility and how to cooperate rather than demand others follow our lead.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
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Nasty stuff. They’re slowly undermining their own state with this behavior. They’ll implode over time
Exactly. The Iranian public doesn’t support the extremists, and in fact there had been liberalization through 2003 when suddenly there was a lurch to the right. But that was more in reaction to America’s attack of Iraq than any sudden shift towards extremism in the Iraqi public.

The extremists need a crisis with the West to try to keep the emotional fog of nationalism so that average Iranians go along with them. It’s not working. As long as we don’t do something stupid like go to war with Iran, the current regime will either implode, or — perhaps in a best case scenario, given the dangers of implosion — return to a path of slow liberalization and development within a generation hopefully of a true Islamic democracy.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm

 
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