I think that in many cases the Dems who side with Repubs on funding (and thus are targeted by the left for replacement) should be un-opposed in 2008.
And Lieberman needs some under-the-table support... |
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Every morning, representatives from a cluster of antiwar groups gather for a conference call with Democratic leadership staff members in the House and the Senate. Ah, I love the smell of a nutroots action alert in the morning! |
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From the WaPo article:Many of the major players in Americans Against Escalation in Iraq earned their stripes not from sit-ins, marches and other acts of civil disobedience but as Democratic operatives on Capitol Hill and in political campaigns. The sophisticated political operation they have built is a testament to how far the antiwar movement has come since the Vietnam era. But here’s a more pertinent clue to the difference between today’s opposition to the war in Iraq and the ferverent anti-war activity of the Vietnam era.
It doesn’t matter how "sophisticated" the "operation" is if the passion isn’t there throughout the populace. Maybe it is there, but I just don’t see it. And I don’t think Pelosi and Reid and the other clowns in the little car do either. Murtha probably does but, hell, he thinks he’s driving the little car and beeping it’s little horn. |
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Linda, I think you’re right about the difference between now and Vietnam. However, much of today’s hard left is severed from reality, as exemplified by the truther movement. They probably think if they continue working at it, they can get that 250,000 person rally by this summer. In their world, everyone they meet is rabidly against the war (remember "Nobody I know voted for Nixon").
That really leaves the Democratic leadership between Iraq and a hard place. (heh...)
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As I predicted in a recent comment:”…President Bush is doing a masterful job of playing this situation just right. (laughter from the liberals - shrugs and head-shakes: clueless). Just wait and see.” The first leg of the stool in President Bush’s strategy is appearing: the Dems are caught between their “support the troops” base and the netroots “stop the debacle” threats. As Mr. McQuain so sagely posts: mission impossible. Wait; it’s going to get even worse for the Dems. Stage two of this drama comes when the netroots demand that the Democratic Presidential candidates quit pussyfooting and take a stand on this bill. Pretend that you are in charge of one of these campaigns. What do you advise your candidate to do?
The Democrats are starting to look like those cartoons of a hapless boater who is holding a heavy picnic basket with one foot on the dock and one foot in the boat.
President Bush? Why, he is just trying to support the troops. Easy enough for the Republican Presidential candidates to support that, eh? The WaPo story about dropping the withdrawal provisions in the bill was the first clue that Representative Pelosi did not see this coming. And those laughing liberals? The smiles are frozen on their faces as the truth of the situation dawns.
The lesson of Vietnam for the Republicans stands clear: Do not let the Democrats avoid the credit (due, IMHO) for losing the war. The length of the tail on that …
Doesn’t seem a bad Republican strategy at this point. |
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The Ds are doomed. CNN has turned!
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This is act one of a three-act play," he said. "Act two will be the summer. During the summer, our job is to create a firestorm of opposition." The abject evil of these people frightens me... |
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The smiles are frozen on their faces as the truth of the situation dawns. The look of slowly dawning horror is delicious... |
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They have to find a way to accomplish "mission impossible": Fund the troops and stop the war (without taking responsibility for the consequences). They only have to appear to be less happy about being in the War than the Republicans, cite some respect for the office of the President and tell the Netroots they need to capture this. Netroots have no choice other than to stay in play with these Dems. What they gonna do - vote GOP?
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The squeaky wheel gets the grease...it’s also the first one to be replaced. It seems the Dems are heeding the squeakiest wheel in their base.
In my years, I don’t remember the Republicans paying this much attention to a noisy faction. |
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In fact, it usually makes them ignore Pat Robertson even more... |
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"They only have to appear to be less happy about being in the War than the Republicans..." Question: when this issue was tackled in the Senator Lieberman/Ned Lamont election, did the netroots have an alternative to voting GOP? Last I heard, Kucinich was still in the race. IOW in any reasonable version of the real world your analysis might stand up, but...
Also, I don’t see that they are in any position to tell the netroots anything; it seems things are the other way around. However, this is not my area of expertise and you may be right, the netroots may change their spots and become Democrat first and whackos second. |
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Is this the long-awaited signal of a sea change in the LN?”This is not the time to be ...planning for the collapse of a strategy that has just begun. It is time, however, to consider the possibility that any Plan B in Iraq will focus on exploiting the success of the current surge rather than on mitigating a failure.” Yes, believe it or not, that is from an article in the NYT. Let me repeat that so that it is clear: the NYT!. What about all the past predictions of disaster, failure, doom and gloom? No longer operative. That is the fluid nature of the Narrative. Since it is not written and has no requirements for consistency, it can turn on a dime. That is why liberals have been confused of late and reluctant to comment – waiting for a signal.. Perhaps with this signal, revolutionary as it is, liberals will now know what they think and will step up with their views that we need to give the surge a chance. |
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...much of today’s hard left is severed from reality, as exemplified by the truther movement. So true. Much of today’s dilettante left, as well. And the truthers, my God, did they ever even learn to tell their left from their right? They certainly can’t get fantasy and reality sorted out. And just look how many there are. But not one in ten thousand cares enough about any of it to march on Washington or anywhere else. Not that MoveOn can see that.
If ever two groups deserved to be squished and ground together "between Iraq and a hard place" (good lord) it’s the anti-war crowd and the Democratic leadership. |
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Sorry. Forgot the sarcasm/humor tag. |
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notherbob2/robert fulton
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