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At Least it Was Free
Posted by: Dale Franks on Friday, May 18, 2007

Jon turned me on to this in a telephone call this evening.

Michael Moore took some wounded US soldiers to Cuba for some of that fantastic health care they've got down there. When former Senator Fred Thompson criticized the trip, Moore challenged Thompson to a debate on health care.

Thompson decided to reply by video, to talk about the free health care a Cuban critic of Castro received.


Apparently, there's all kinds of free medical treatment available for Cubans of all stripes.

And all they have to do to get it is give up what we here in the cruel US refer to as "rights".
 
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Castro can be all kinds of bad, but that won’t change the fact that US policy and especially the embargo is incoherent, counter-productive, and generally idiotic. You can applaud Fred’s snark all you want, but he applies it in dodging the challenge, wussing out, if you will. Also as soon as he starts applying the same logic to China that he does to Cuba, I’ll start believing he’s sincere.
 
Written By: Retief
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Castro can be all kinds of bad, but that won’t change the fact that US policy and especially the embargo is incoherent, counter-productive, and generally idiotic.
But, it is the policy.
You can applaud Fred’s snark all you want...
Ah. So, then, I’ll just carry on, shall I?
...but he applies it in dodging the challenge, wussing out, if you will.
Huh. Yeah. See, the thing is, for it to be wussing out, Moore would have to have some credibility and expertise as a health care expert. You’d have to be afraid to debate him because of his fantastic breadth of knowledge.

But if he isn’t an expert on the field, just a film-maker with an ideological point to make, then a debate with him his useless. There’s a difference between wussing out and declining to waste time, or implicitly grant someone a credibility that they don’t really have.
Also as soon as he starts applying the same logic to China that he does to Cuba, I’ll start believing he’s sincere.
Well, the thing is, the Hollywood types don’t jet off to Beijing to hobnob with the bigwigs there. They don’t point to it as some sort of workers’ and peasants’ paradise where everybody can read, and get high-quality, free health care.

There’s also the little matter of proximity. Cuba is 90 miles away, and it has a history of fomenting trouble in this hemisphere. China, not so much. Oh, and China has nukes; Cuba doesn’t. And, of course, China, while still a dictatorship, has liberalized significantly over the course of the past two decades, especially as the old Mao-era Commies have shuffled off to hell. Cuba, however, is still run in the same old way by the same old hardliners.

There’s all sorts of reasons, in fact, why we should treat Cuba differently. Whether we should treat it in the way we currently do is a matter of debate, but there’s no compelling reason why our policies vis a vis Cuba and China should be the same, and a whole host of reasons why they shouldn’t.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
URL: http://www.qando.net
Obviously, Retief is unaware of the difference between fear and total utter contempt.
 
Written By: SDN
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but he applies it in dodging the challenge, wussing out, if you will.
Michael Moore has dodged more interviews and debates with his critics (including several documentary film makers just like him!) than anyone he criticizes.

Moore is going to get a lot of flack for this one. Now its not just "stupid white men" he will be offending. Half of Miami has either escaped persecution or have relatives still living under Castro’s regime. He’s got some ’splanin to do!
 
Written By: Jimmy the Dhimmi
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Cuba pointed nuclear tipped missiles at us. They can stay embargoed until their government crumbles too (aka Castro dies).
 
Written By: jpm100
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"...Ah. So, then, I’ll just carry on, shall I?..."
God, I love the smell of a liberal being torn a new one in the morning!
 
Written By: Robert Fulton
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This is a serious and non-rhetorical question for Retief, although I’d like to read all responses.
I believe the initial impetus for the embargo was when Castro expropriated millions of American owned tobacco and sugar property and then nationalized many corporations such as ITT and banks. They never compensated the original owners for their property. I think this was the original reason for the embargo although over the years it morphed into Soviet satellite/Monroe doctrine and then to human rights and so on.
Retief, do you think Cuba should reimburse the American interests for their losses prior to relaxation of the embargo?
 
Written By: tom scott
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Cuba pointed nuclear missiles at us...we sponsored an invasion to overthrow their regime and engaged in massive efforts to try to under cut both before and after the missile crisis. But that’s history, and Castro is irrelevant. Open up to Cuba, and the same thing will happen as happens whenever closed societies allow western ideas and products to be introduced — support for the old regime will decline and change will come. In any event, I hear Moore’s film is getting pretty good reviews, even from people critical of him in the past. The guy has talent, and controversy is one of his tools to generate interest.

Tom, I don’t know about retief, but given the level of corruption before Castro, it’s very likely that the interests nationalized really didn’t deserve reimbursement. In any event, that’s so long ago and Cuba is poor, so I’d focus on trying to push for reform there rather than revenge against policies of half a century ago and done by a man on his death bed. If the US seriously opened to Cuba, Castro would watch his society move further and further from socialist ideals as he lay weakened under medical care waiting for the end, unable to do anything about it.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Free Medical Treatment. You get what you pay for.
 
Written By: James E. Fish
URL: http://faroutfishfiles.blogspot.com/
Scotto my dear lad:

but given the level of corruption before Castro, it’s very likely that the interests nationalized really didn’t deserve reimbursement.

I really would like your rationale behind this facially odious statement. I know that you are a teacher and all, but an arbiter of private holdings? When did you get that particular power. Were you elected to it? Hey, probably a good thing that you are indoctrinating our children, rather than being in the private sector where you face consequences for being an arrogant ass.

If the US seriously opened to Cuba, Castro would watch his society move further and further from socialist ideals as he lay weakened under medical care waiting for the end, unable to do anything about it.

Good.

I’d like to see his society move closer and closer to his socialist sickbed with X-Acto knives in hand.

Retief; you get a 301(c):Amused Contempt with a Hint of Warning.
 
Written By: Uncle Pinky
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Well, the thing is, the Hollywood types don’t jet off to Beijing to hobnob with the bigwigs there. They don’t point to it as some sort of workers’ and peasants’ paradise where everybody can read, and get high-quality, free health care.

This is poor logic. The reason no one points to China as a model of literacy and health care equity is because it’s rankly, self-evidently nothing like that. And the reason they point to Cuba as a model for performance in those areas is because it is.

That doesn’t, of course, make Cuba not a poor and illiberal place, because it’s both of those things. However, the embargo allows the poverty to be blamed on the embargo, rather than the socialism (I’d go so far as to say it makes the genuine cause impossible to specify of, myself - especially if you know something about the state of the supposedly capitalist Carribean islands in the area).

Anyway, I don’t agree with some of what Michael Moore says - picking Cuba as an example is going to get your point to be lost in snark and unrelated backlash - but the man sells a lot of books and puts plenty of data in them. Fred Thompson doesn’t gain any respect in my eyes for turning down the debate, although it may not have been to his political advantage to get involved, since his position is vulnerable to exposure.
 
Written By: glasnost
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Michael Moore...sells a lot of books and puts plenty of data in them.
Oh come on. Plenty of data impresses you? You outta hold out for accurate and meaningful data.
Fred Thompson doesn’t gain any respect in my eyes for turning down the debate
Doesn’t need it.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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Come on Glasnost, a camera-seeking, proven liar challenges a probable presidential candidate to a debate and you think the candidate losses credibility for refusing to debate? Would you feel the same if some publicity seeking right-wing liar challenged Hillary or Obama (or whomever) to a debate?

 
Written By: Grimshaw
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Grim, read me again.

although it may not have been to his political advantage to get involved

So, what you said = not what I said.
 
Written By: glasnost
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Al Gore refuses to debate anybody on Global Warming
 
Written By: emmess
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This speculative article gives real food for thought:
”Thompson has broken some new ground without the video clip being edited to fit a TV sound-bite, without pundits and columnists and the mainstream media having a chance to characterize it in their own ways.
...The question is not if this was a watershed. The question is, whose watershed was it — Thompson’s, mainstream media’s or new media’s?

 
Written By: Robert Fulton
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Retief, do you think Cuba should reimburse the American interests for their losses prior to relaxation of the embargo?
No I don’t. If you choose to put your investment dollars into a dictatorship, then you’d better be factoring political risk into your decision. Your investments don’t get any protection except for the law of the country where they are. Not what the laws used to be, or what you wish they were, or what seems fair to the CEO, or what deal you had with the last dictator. The risk of those laws changing is the chance you take dealing with a Batista. Now if a government chooses 100% taxation for your investments, they may find it hard to attract more, but risking the possiblity of that policy is the chance you decided to take. Having taken that risk and profited from it, the investors now want the US govenment’s foreign policy to mitigate it for them. How Libertarian.

Re: Wussing out. One’s challenger can be an unmitagted gasbag, but if one has nothing but cigar smoke and a drawl to offer oneself, one might still choose the better part of valor in the debate question. As a democrat I can only say, please please nominate Fred.
 
Written By: Retief
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I’m really impressed!
 
Written By: Deacon
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