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Gloom and Doom pervade poll
Posted by: McQ on Monday, May 21, 2007

Given how news is delivered this should come as no particular surprise:
It's gloomy out there. Men and women, whites and minorities — all are feeling a war-weary pessimism about the country seldom shared by so many people.

Only 25 percent of those surveyed say things in the U.S. are going in the right direction, according to an AP-Ipsos poll this month. That is about the lowest level of satisfaction detected since the survey started in December 2003.

Rarely have longer-running polls found such a rate since the even gloomier days of 1992 ahead of the first President Bush's re-election loss to Democrat Bill Clinton.

The current glumness is widely blamed on public discontent with the war in Iraq and with President Bush. It is striking for how widespread the mood is among different groups of people.
Well let's see, there's the constant drumbeat of negative news which dwells on the war in Iraq, the views of the rest of the world vis a vis the US, the war in Iraq, the difficulties of the war on terror, the war in Iraq, how bad the administration is, the war in Iraq, gas prices, the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, the political games being played in Congress with important issues, the war in Iraq, the "worsening" economy, the war in Iraq, "global warming", the war in Iraq and the hopelessness of everything in general ... and did I mention the war in Iraq?

Actually I think the poll is more of a reflection of the effect of a constant bombardment of negative news on the national psyche, which explains why, in many cases where polls like this come out, those polled believe things to be bad for everyone else, but not necessarily for them.
 
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Only 25 percent of those surveyed say things in the U.S. are going in the right direction
Ignorance being bliss.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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I feel happy! Not sure what’s wrong with the rest of my fellow travelers.
 
Written By: meagain
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Ignorance being bliss.
Not from what I’ve seen.
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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Well let’s see, there’s the constant drumbeat of negative news which dwells on the war in Iraq, the views of the rest of the world vis a vis the US, the war in Iraq, the difficulties of the war on terror, the war in Iraq, how bad the administration is, the war in Iraq, gas prices, the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, the political games being played in Congress with important issues, the war in Iraq, the "worsening" economy, the war in Iraq, "global warming", the war in Iraq and the hopelessness of everything in general ... and did I mention the war in Iraq
Don’t forget the WORST ECONOMY SINCE HOOVER!

or

THE ONGOING BUSH DESTRUCTION OF OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES

 
Written By: shark
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What are you channeling Basil Fawlty? "Don’t talk about the war"?

Sure if we ignore the fact that Bush has started a war in Iraq that he can’t seem to win, while letting the terrorists get away, then everything’s great.

Also, live by the sword and die bay the sword. The folks who wanted everything to be all Iraq all the time in 2002, 2003, and 2004, are now reaping what they sowed. Reap it!
 
Written By: Retief
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What are you channeling Basil Fawlty? "Don’t talk about the war"?

Sure if we ignore the fact that Bush has started a war in Iraq ...
Wow. Could anyone miss a point more badly than that?

I’m in awe.
 
Written By: McQ
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My mistake. Somehow I thought this
Well let’s see, there’s the constant drumbeat of negative news which dwells on the war in Iraq, the views of the rest of the world vis a vis the US, the war in Iraq, ..., the war in Iraq, ..., the war in Iraq, ..., the war in Iraq, ..., the war in Iraq, ..., the war in Iraq, ..., the war in Iraq, ..., the war in Iraq and the hopelessness of everything in general ... and did I mention the war in Iraq?
was some kind of indication that you were suggesting that "the news" overemphasizes the difficulties of the war in Iraq which increases people’s negative waves.
 
Written By: Retief
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was some kind of indication that you were suggesting that "the news" overemphasizes the difficulties of the war in Iraq which increases people’s negative waves.
Again, not the point. How in the world does that ’indication’ lead to the conclusion it should be ’ignored’?
 
Written By: McQ
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Wellll, if you do believe the war in Iraq is overemphasized, then you believe the proper emphasis is less emphasis. I took the repetition of your humorously hyperbolic parody to mean that you think it ought to be considerably less.

I find it telling that as you propose that the country is feeling negative becasue of a drumbeat of negative news, "the Iraq war", sans qualifier of any kind, constitutes 50% of that drumbeat. The rest of your negativity comes with scare quotes or qualifiers like "how bad...is" or "difficulties of" or "political games" (or are obviously bad things like gas prices). In your examples the Iraq War, by itself, is negative news. That is probably an accurate reading of public sentiment. Whether the substance of the stories is the latest Al Qaeda Number Two captured or the lastest deaths from VBIED, the fact that we’re still there dying is bad news. You are quite right about that. I think it deserves more attention than it gets, not less.

 
Written By: Retief
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Wellll, if you do believe the war in Iraq is overemphasized, then you believe the proper emphasis is less emphasis.
Good grief. Er, what’s the title of the post and what’s the possible inference to be drawn about the plethora of reporting from Iraq?

I can’t believe I have to lead you by the hand on this.
 
Written By: McQ
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Jimmy Carter speaks and immediately we’ve entered into another malaise. It’s fantastic the effect the man has on America’s morale.
 
Written By: tom scott
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Retief wrote:
Wellll, if you do believe the war in Iraq is overemphasized,
Oh for cryin’ out unprintably, he said the negative news about Iraq was overemphasized, not Iraq overall.

Christ, will you read?
the fact that we’re still there dying is bad news.
Not in and of itself it isn’t, because it isn’t occurring without context. The deaths are buying something, and there is precious little if any discussion of what that good is, or of the bad most likely to come if we stop now or too soon.

I’ll be the first to say that McQ has said some incomprehensibly stupid things, such as "The American Revolution in fact *died* with the ratification of the US Constitution.*"

But this isn’t such a time.

He’s perfectly clear, the negative is overemphasized in every respect with regard to every action of or act of restraint of the administration, and in every aspect of American life which can be shown more negatively than neutrally in ways which can be pretended to bear on the administration.

This has had the effect of creating more negative impressions and gloom of everyday thought than more factual and less colored reporting would.

*All the three originals at Q&O have said silly things to date.

Dale thinks market failures exist :rolleyes:, and that since the FCC might seek to regulate paid for speech, no one should comment on it (or at least Neil Boortz shouldn’t—it’s unclear exactly which tree his slavering muzzle is showering with foam this time).

Jon Henke can’t figure out how an instrument of positive law like the Geneva Conventions—which doesn’t include illegal combatants—can’t cover them.

They all have their moments.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp

PS. Bruce, its pervade, not prevade.
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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Did I really misunderstand? Is this post really just another utterly banal addition the "why don’t we hear more good news from Iraq" chorus? I took you to be suggesting that gloom and doom pervade this poll because gloom and doom pervade the news. You mention a "constant drumbeat of negative news" which dwells on a number of subjects, 50% of which are the war in Iraq. Clearly the war in Iraq looms large in your universe of negative news items. But if I misunderstood and it is the tone of reporting from Iraq to which you object and not the frequency, then I will amend my criticism to suggest that you do our friend Basil one better and start telling us to "Don’t mention the bad parts of the war."

Tom Perkins, you’re wrong about the still dying there being bad news. Whatever Americans are buying with blood in Iraq, it’s costing a lot more than Americans thought it would in March 2003. So if a person back then decided to puchase a new Iraq, and didn’t expect to be losing 100 soldiers in May of 2007, then the increased price is clearly bad news. More so as there is no end to the rising price in sight. And doubly so as the new Iraq we bought is looking more and more flyblown.
 
Written By: Retief
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And doubly so as the new Iraq we bought is looking more and more flyblown.



Based on your personal experiences in Iraq, or based on the news you get from the media Retief?
 
Written By: looker
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Is this post really just another utterly banal addition the "why don’t we hear more good news from Iraq" chorus?
Well why isn’t the good news coming out of Iraq given as much precedence as the bad?

Why is the context of the bad news oversimplified to our people dying = uselessly bad no matter what?

That is what he’s suggesting, but he’s not saying, "don’t have news", in response.
But if I misunderstood and it is the tone of reporting from Iraq to which you object and not the frequency.
The tone and frequency are both unjustifiably negative, as compared to the positive, what is reported of it.
then I will amend my criticism to suggest that you do our friend Basil one better and start telling us to "Don’t mention the bad parts of the war."
I’m not saying that and I think McQ clearly is not either—but mention the good with the bad, and not emphasizing the importance of either. Neutrality is what is absent and asked for, or at the very least being above board in the partisanship.
Whatever Americans are buying with blood in Iraq, it’s costing a lot more than Americans thought it would in March 2003.
Huh? We thought we’d loose hundreds per day for a week or three, and instead we’ve taken casualties at 1/50th of that rate.

You are ignorant.
More so as there is no end to the rising price in sight.
And that is simply a lie, there is no example in history of an occupying power failing to quell and insurgency when they were steadfast, simply none. At worst it takes a generation, and as little as a few years.

With Gen. Petraeus, we seem to be on a "few years" curve, now.
And doubly so as the new Iraq we bought is looking more and more flyblown.
Rather, it’s looking less and less so.

Oh wait, you probably still trust Rather and would trust Cronkite.

You’re hopeless.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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Looker, by the actions, composition, and abilities of the current Iraqi government. But then, is it really possible to know anything?

Tom Perkins, Are the deaths of US servicemen and women in Iraq newsworthy? Have any been reported to have died uselessly? Or is that context supplied by the reader? Are dead Americans not bad news? Are you suggesting we ought to only report those deaths with the "context" that PFC XYZ heroicly gave his life to further the cause of freedom for the grateful Iraqi people? Do you really think it would help? The reports of deaths at least are pretty bald recitations of facts, any useless vibe you find isn’t coming form the text. If you’re seeing it there, you brought it.
More so as there is no end to the rising price in sight.
And that is simply a lie
Alright, when do you see the end? Where is it in sight? Cuz "a few years" to "a generation" doesn’t sound like in sight to me.
 
Written By: Retief
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Looker, by the actions, composition, and abilities of the current Iraqi government. But then, is it really possible to know anything?.
Herein lies the point - where are you getting your news?

How do I know it’s not worse than I’m being told?
How do I know it’s not better than I’m being told?

People would scream bloody murder if they thought the government was, in the finest traditions of regimes through the ages, controlling the news out of Iraq.

Knowing that "if it bleeds, it leads" is the standard method of reporting news, a lot of people think there might be some good news but it’s not ’newsworthy’.

You, on the other hand, take the news at face value, presume that it’s only bad, and make statements like -
More so as there is no end to the rising price in sight. And doubly so as the new Iraq we bought is looking more and more flyblown.
and you wonder what McQ is talking about in this post?
 
Written By: looker
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Looker, are you saying that the government of Iraq wasn’t formed by the United Iraqi Alliance, dominated by SCIRI and Dawa and Sadrists? Is Maliki not Prime Minister?
 
Written By: Retief
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another source of malaise could be a lack of growth in the median wage, coupled with rising health care costs and rising uncertainty about the future availability of health care insurance.

(yes, i know that what is called health care insurance is not actually insurance. It’s [largely] cost averaging, not risk pooling.)
 
Written By: Francis
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The news is bad so people are pessimistic. There is very little good news coming out of Iraq; things have been especially bad this last week.

But the good news is that for most people, this doesn’t translate or have to translate to unhappiness or gloom and doom in their personal lives. For some, however, the news from Iraq can be especially tragic, and for Iraqis, whose country gets closer and closer to collapse, life is especially tough.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
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That’s refrigeration and A/C.This clarification so when you disagree, you can presume I’m anything but on drugs.AP-IPsos poll what is that?Who’s political views are they chasing?Every person first should understand that all polls have an agenda.Some target 18-25,20-30,30-50 and elderly etc.They can find the right people to achieve their out come by where you visit on the internet.Our info is bought and sold like cattle or futures on the stock market so beware of poll %s.I just stepped over from b5 and pundint to check out McQ.Those polled believe things bad for everyone else, but not necessarily for themselves, and 25% saying the country is going in the right direction?HHmmmm confused.So I shall carry on,you cannot get the economics from the news go to an economics major.Gas prices always rise during peek travel times in this country,blame it on all the oil we import and the fact this country depends so much on oil now for heating and the extremely cold and long winters.The war on terror, GW said we will track them down and capture or kill them wherever and however long it takes!We gave him a standing ovation!Iraq oh boy,there is outstanding progress being made there just ask our soldiers!There all over the milblogs just spend a little more time looking rather than complaining!Passion of the people for our soldiers is necessary to endure the sacrafices inherent in war.We as a nation sent our troops into harms way and now congress has left them there without the proper means of completing their mission.Lets hold our politicians accountable, but don’t let them use our soldiers as their polotical pawns. Semper Fi
 
Written By: referman
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I’ve met a couple of people who are convinced the US has been in a recession for the last 6 years. I wonder where they got that idea?
 
Written By: Harun
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I’ve met a couple of people who are convinced the US has been in a recession for the last 6 years. I wonder where they got that idea?
Economic literacy is not common in America.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
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Aha! We discover another principle of the LN credo:
46. Every once in a while make a comment that is perfectly lucid, very brief and inarguable. Never do this on a political issue; save it for something like economics, religion or a discussion of various alcoholic beverages. This will add to your credibility when you get back on message.
Note: the above is not an actual quote from anything except my thoughts.
 
Written By: Robert Fulton
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This post not only contained information that helped me to better understand where I stand in the Immigration controversy and why, but it is remarkably upbeat and it actually did make me feel less alone out here.

Caution: liberals; don’t bother to check this link. It is too long and too cogent for you. Maybe just google for something in the Times about it.
 
Written By: Robert Fulton
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Economic literacy is not common in America.
It is encouraged by neither the MSM nor the left.

Sorry, I repeat myself.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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Best media sources: Financial Times and The Economist. Each will foster economic literacy if read consistently.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
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another source of malaise could be a lack of growth in the median wage, coupled with rising health care costs and rising uncertainty about the future availability of health care insurance.

I can’t believe anyone would be stupid enough to look at a 25% right track poll and blame... negative news reporting on Iraq. You, Bruce, are an independent person with a brain, right? Do the "news media" make up your mind for you on the country? Do you think you’re the only one who makes decisions on your own?

News Flash: most people don’t care about Iraq enough to make a right track/wrong track answer out of it.

The truth is GWB’s failed economic policies have left a lot of people not in the rich elite struggling to survive and rather angry about it. Your ideology predisposes you to be unable to pick up on that.

 
Written By: glasnost
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Glasnost,

You wrote:
The truth is GWB’s failed economic policies have left a lot of people not in the rich elite struggling to survive and rather angry about it.
Ignorance is fixable, stupidity is for life.

Your problem can be fixed.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
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At you the excellent site, a lot of useful info and good design, thank.
 
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