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Why is it that Democrats still want the draft?
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, May 23, 2007

The latest is Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards:
"One of the things we ought to be thinking about is some level of mandatory service to our country, so that everybody in America — not just the poor kids who get sent to war — are serving this country," he said.

"We have people from all walks of life in America who are serving, including Reservists and National Guard," he said. "What we want to do is to have all Americans to have a chance to serve their country."
"Poor kids who get sent to war". My goodness. How many times does that have to be debunked before it gets dropped from the talking points?

John Edwards hasn't a clue about "mandatory service" or its effect on a military, especially one as good as ours. But that's not the importance of this statement. It fits perfectly with his poverty theme, if you buy the premise that the poor are fighting our wars, of course. And since he comes from the radical egalitarian side of the liberal house, his priority isn't to have the very best military in the world, but instead to share the burden regardless of its effect. And that willingness to sacrifice the military on the alter of egalitarianism coming from a presidential candidate should scare you to death.
 
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"What we want to do is to have all Americans to have a chance to serve their country."
We already have that. All of us have a chance to serve, in a variety of ways.

I don’t think Mr. $400 Haircut understands the meaning of the word chance.
 
Written By: shark
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I can only hope 2008 will be the last time we have to put up with this blowhard.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Ummm. OK, and when and where did he serve? In an honorable non-political way?
 
Written By: RRRoark
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He is probably thinking more about the type of work the Civilian Conservation Corps did during the depression, then a draft into the military.

Well, he’s probably not strictly talking about a draft into the military. Of course, compulsory volunteer service, isn’t exactly the most moral position to advocate. The people who want to do good deeds don’t need to be compulsed into doing them. The tax break on charitable giving, for instance, is a nice benefit of giving, but isn’t the reason for giving (for many people.)

Now, I don’t know the economics of it, but we could certainly use putting poor kids to work doing things nobody else (besides illegal aliens) wants to do. It would probably lower crime.

Personally, I don’t favor any sort of compulsory service on moral grounds. You can’t force charity from people.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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honorable non-political
Your phrase is redundant, sir!

:)
but we could certainly use putting poor kids to work doing things nobody else (besides illegal aliens) wants to do. It would probably lower crime.
If for no other reason than they would be too TIRED to commit crimes. Ever detassled? Gah. There’s a reason I refuse to do yard work nearly a decade later...
 
Written By: Scott
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"What we want to do is to have all Americans to have a chance to serve their country."
Don’t all Americans have that chance right now?
 
Written By: steverino
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Oh, and to answer your question "Why is it that Democrats still want the draft?", I’d have to put my money on one of the following:

1) Head Trauma
2) Drugs
3) A history of eating paint chips (or as Biden might call them, ’Wall Candy’)
 
Written By: Scott
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"What we want to do is to have all Americans to have a chance to serve their country."
As Shark points up, everyone already has the chance. Were they to volunteer, I doubt very many of them would be rejected, and none of them would be rejected simply for being among the hated ’rich’.

It strikes me that this statment explains much about why liberals simply don’t get the difference between equal outcome and equal opportuunity. To them it’s only an opportunity if it’s governmentally enforced.


 
Written By: Bithead
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"What we want to do is to have all Americans to have a chance to serve their country."
Don’t all Americans have that chance right now?
Let me re-phrase that for you then, "What we want to do is to have all Americans, except those trusted comrades too important to be bothered by manual or other scut work-generally those whose last names are Kennedy, Pelosi, Edwards, Obama, or those whose parents contrtibuted $1,000 or more to our campaign(s)- to have have to perform some form of pointless menial labour that in someway is supposed to be "libratory" or "redemptive", even if it appears merely to be mindless, boring, repetitive, makework to the actual participants, and a tax-wasting, often counter-productive boondoggle to those compelled to pay for it."

Is that better, do you understand the point, now?
 
Written By: Joe
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We could solve quite a few problems following their reasoning...

Employment, pollution, global warming, homelessness, and dependency on oil...

RICKSHAWS

Put the unemployed/homeless to work pulling rickshaws for those who already work, and you can pull a ton of cars off the road.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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Mmm, let’s see, out of my unit you had:

-Myself, partial college, son of a surgeon and a psychologist.
-Another guy about my age who originally joined the Army for experience and a security clearance, leaving a job that payed twice as well with a computer security firm.
-Another who was a trust fund baby who was going to inherit something like three-quarters of a million when he turned twenty-one, but was planning on staying in anyway.
-Your classic east-coast liberal and graduate of Johns Hopkins...

I could go on, but to sum up: "poor kids sent to war my ass."
 
Written By: Lysenko
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Ahhh, but, remember, once you have reached his lofty perch, 99.99% of the rest of the population is "poor". Therefore, once again, it is a matter of the rest of us not doing our share while not impacting him and his ilk whatsoever.
 
Written By: Metzger
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Put the unemployed/homeless to work pulling rickshaws
No, they’ll just run off with them.
 
Written By: JWG
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Meanwhile, Edwards is serving by charging $55,000 to speak about poverty.
 
Written By: Aldo
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Dear Candidate J*ck*ss,

I serve my country every damn day by working hard, adding value to the lives of others in both commercial and personal ways, being a positive community influence, and, last but not least, via the forced contribution of hefty sums of money in taxes. Is there nothing you don’t want from me?

 
Written By: Grimshaw
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Is there nothing you don’t want from me?
I don’t know you, but depending on your children, you might be able to get an exemption them... ;)
 
Written By: Scott
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I think Dems keep calling for a draft because they want to further erode support for and impede any resurgance of support for the war in Iraq — or for any continuing "war on terror" generally. Edwards knows as well as Rangel and whichever other Dems that people in this country do not want a military draft any more than we need one. But when they threaten one, they get a lot of people who aren’t generally paying attention to sit up and say "Hey, wait a minute! Why do we need a draft? Why do we need a war? Bring our boys home now before I get dragged into this thing."

Might get some of those slackers out in the street protesting and etc. Bolster their case for cutting and running.

That’s the only thing I can figure. Not that I’m paying all that much attention or really care what they are trying to do. But all the reasons they offer such as "opportunity to serve" and so forth are clearly, cynically BS.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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It’s not just for criminals anymore. He wants to sentence everyone to community service.
What an insult to the literally millions of people and thousands of organizations that already volunteer their time and money to help others. Shriners giving free medical care to children, people who clean up roadsides, Red Cross volunteers, Boy and Girl Scouts, and of course Habitat for Humanity are just a minute sample. Perhaps if people didn’t need to work so much to pay taxes they would have even more time to devote to charity. For those on the left, it doesn’t count unless the state is involved.
 
Written By: timactual
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Actually, looking into it, what little I’m turning up suggests he isn’t proposing to forcibly round up people for the military but, as timactual and others above indicate, for civilian community service of some unspecified sort.

Hell, who knows what he’s talking about? As long as it’s mandatory and some new bureaucracy or ten can be created to administer it, anything goes, I guess.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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"For those on the left, it doesn’t count unless the state is involved."
Seems to be true, especially in light of recent data (can’t remember where I read it) that suggests those on the left donate less time and money to charity than those on the right.

 
Written By: Grimshaw
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Yeah, LInda... that’s the other thing. Far be it from liberals to call it MILITARY service.

LOL
 
Written By: Bithead
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The reason they want the draft is because you won’t have soldiers painting peace symbols on their helmets and protesting the war until the ranks are filled with young men and women who don’t want to be there. Right now there isn’t any significant unrest in the ranks because everyone is serving voluntarily. The Democrats can’t come to the rescue of the disaffected troops when they aren’t actually disaffected.
 
Written By: Bob
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The Democratic Party is not serious in bring back the draft. This is a political ploy to frighten young men with the "Sword of Damocles" hanging over their head in the form of the draft. Turn out for anti-war demonstrations have been anemic, compared to those during the Vietnam era. Without the cold wind of the draft wafting across their neck. Draft age men would rater drink beer and hook up with coeds, than demonstrate. It’s all political theater designed to frighten. Not a serious proposition.
 
Written By: James E. Fish
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We used to have "mandatory service" down here in the South until you Yankees made us abolish it.
 
Written By: Bilwick
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Mandatory volunteering is the hot thing now and has been for a while. The high school my daughter is attending this fall requires 20 "volunteer" hours a year for a total of 80 in order to graduate. Parents have mandatory volunteer hours too, but if you ask you find out they are really just suggested volunteer hours because adults can’t really be made to do anything but if they don’t talk like it’s optional then people are less likely to blow it off.

Bless my daughter, she’s disgusted with the idiocy and she hasn’t even started school yet.
 
Written By: Synova
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Bob nails it. As long as the military is all volunteer and over there re-upping constantly, the low public support really doesn’t affect the policy so much. The public doesn’t mind so much when its other people doing the fighting.

 
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Nice! Many thanks, easy to find helpful information. Good work.
 
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