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Heaven help us
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, June 05, 2007

No pun intended:
[Hillary] Clinton stood by her actions in the aftermath of former President Clinton's admission that he had an affair, including presumably her decision to stay in the marriage.

"I am very grateful that I had a grounding in faith that gave me the courage and the strength to do what I thought was right, regardless of what the world thought," Clinton said during a forum where the three leading Democratic presidential candidates talked about faith and values.

"I'm not sure I would have gotten through it without my faith," she said in response to a question about how she dealt with the infidelity.
As a wag once said, and I paraphrase, Bill Clinton took the oath of office on the Clinton family bible ... the one with 7 commandments. To me, Hillary and "faith" just seem to mix like oil and water for some reason. "Faith" in her naked desire to be President of the US is what led her to do what she did, nothing more.
"I take my faith very seriously and very personally," she said. "And I come from a tradition that is perhaps a little too suspicious of people who wear their faith on their sleeves."
Heh ... apparently that 'tradition' is changing now that it may be politically important, no?

And John Edwards?
"I sin every single day," said Edwards, the 2004 vice presidential nominee. "We are all sinners and we all fall short."
Really? Thanks for that.
 
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Religion, socialism and the Cult of the State—the Superstition Trifecta!
 
Written By: Bilwick
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I’m sick of all these wannabe theocrats trying to rule this country.
 
Written By: steverino
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Look for Southern churches to get a whole new raft of sermon readers for the next, I dunno, 500 odd days.
 
Written By: Uncle Pinky
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Still waiting for these folks to be vilified for mentioning God, faith, and/or sin. And waiting. And waiting...
 
Written By: the wolf
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"I am very grateful that I had a grounding in faith that gave me the courage and the strength to do what I thought was right, regardless of what the world thought," Clinton said during a forum where the three leading Democratic presidential candidates talked about faith and values.
"I’m not sure I would have gotten through it without my faith," she said in response to a question about how she dealt with the infidelity.
I take my faith very seriously and very personally
So she’s a theocrat fascist, right? She’s a Christer now, right? A Christianist as some hysterics like to say. She’s a godbag now, right?

Look at that first quote. Hillary and her fellow travelers savaged George W. Bush for that type of sentiment as a religious nut, etc etc etc.

I pray no real religious people are fooled by this load of bunk.
 
Written By: shark
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How about people who wear their faith on their intern’s sleeves?
 
Written By: Achillea
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I note that no quotes I’ve read of Hillary’s admission actually mention the word "God."

The how come all the press reports add the word God to their reports as if she had?

Read what she says, her "faith" got her through, but she never explains faith in what. In less committal than a 12 step "higher power."

And yet, her press protectors immediately revise her remarks to eliminate the possibility that anyone might question the degree of religious faith of a politician who won’t even use the word "God" when talkoing about their faith.

Not to mention the fact that "faith" is just about the lowest common denominator of religious belief or observance. From top to bottom, might I suggest a depth of faith, from a Christian perspective (different for other faiths):

Jesus Christ as Savior, son of God, divine
Jesus Christ as Prophet
Jesus as wise man or teacher
Jesus as important guy
The One True God
The Hebrew God
The God of gods
One God among many
Godlike, some power or force
Divine like spirit or consciousness
Faith (not specified)
Agnosticism — I won’t commit
Atheism — I commit against the idea

Just my two cents.

Hillary risks the alientation of only the most hard core of atheists, and given the paucity of palatable choices for them, I can’t see them turning away.
 
Written By: Dadmanly
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Edwards: "I sin every single day."

Well, John, if you had just kept Amanda Marcotte around, I’m sure she could have helped you deal with that.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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To me, Hillary and "faith" just seem to mix like oil and water for some reason. "Faith" in her naked desire to be President of the US is what led her to do what she did, nothing more.
It is a wonder how you can peer into Hillary Clinton’s soul and confidently come to a conclusion that, “"Faith" in her naked desire to be President of the US is what led her to do what she did, nothing more.”

What the Hell do you know about Hillary’s “faith” or any other person’s “faith” for that matter?
Hillary Clinton scares the bajeezus out of me, but it has nothing to do with her reconciliation (or not) with her adulterous husband. Nor does my fright hold any cavity to be filled or voided with appeasing declarations from Hillary about her reasoning to continue to be betrothed to her adulterous husband.

I’m not a Christian, nor do I hold dear any teachings from any organized religion. So I am always left wanting when people use the term “faith” to justify behavior that I would deem unreasonable or abstruse. But when one employs the term “faith” to justify behavior that I would deem unreasonable or abstruse, as long as that justification and the consequences of that justification harms no one but oneself, then I should not hold higher ground to question one’s “faith”.

And nor should anyone else.

Additionally, should not one who believes in so-called Christian values at least honor her decision? What about the Christian value of forgiveness? What about the oath stated so common in Christian wedding ceremonies, “Till death do us part”?
Shouldn’t one who holds “faith” also adhere to those Christian values???

Is it an issue of credibility for you?

If so, then why aren’t those same standards of faith forced upon Republican candidates McCain, Giuliani, and Thompson? What about their “Till death do us part”? All, of course, claim to be Christian.

Hillary Clinton could possibly be the worst thing that happens to us if she became president. But I couldn’t give a sh*t if she and Bill wanted to have a swingers party with Fred Thompson and his – 24 years his younger – wife Jeri. (hubba hubba – can a First Lady get away with wearing that dress??? Just curious.)
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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It is a wonder how you can peer into Hillary Clinton’s soul and confidently come to a conclusion that, ""Faith" in her naked desire to be President of the US is what led her to do what she did, nothing more."

What the Hell do you know about Hillary’s "faith" or any other person’s "faith" for that matter?
I know what I see. I know what I hear. I know what I read. And from that I form judgments. And my judgment is she has about as much use for faith as you do for being sober.

Any other questions?
 
Written By: McQ
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And my judgment is she has about as much use for faith as you do for being sober.
I put my faith in Guinness Stout. Devine goodness that has never let me down. It is the one true god.
All hail Arthur Guinness, the messiah sent from the heavens.

Any other questions?

How about answering the one’s I’ve just asked?

Then I’ll probably have many more.

Cheers.
 
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It’ll be interesting to see if Hillary continues to trade so much on her religious faith as the campaigns wear on. Way back in 1993 when she’d just begun her adventures as First Lady, Michael Kelly hit her hard with a NYT magazine piece titled “Saint Hillary.” I still remember this being discussed on all the news shows by those who tried to spin it as a vicious attack and others who saw it as an accurately drawn fair warning of what Americans could expect. Although there are lots of references to it on the web – most recently in the obits for Kelly after his death in Iraq – I can’t find the article itself.

But here are a couple of snippets from the opening:

Her sense of purpose stems from a world view rooted in the activist religion of her youth and watered by the conviction of her generation that it was destined (and equipped) to teach the world the error of its ways. Together both faiths form the true politics of her heart, the politics of virtue.
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What Mrs. Clinton seems – in all apparent sincerity – to have in mind is leading the way to something on the order of a Reformation: the remaking of American way of politics, government, indeed life.


Basically, Kelly took her faith – even piety – as expressed in her own words as quite genuine and presented it as the underpinning of and impetus for her determination to make us all into something she liked better, dissenting opinion be damned.

Given all the stuff she’s done since 1993 and all the stuff she’s saying nowadays about taking things away from people for the greater good and what have you, the piece seems practically prophetic.

I was going to say she probably wouldn’t want to remind people of some of the things Kelly wrote but, heck, she may end up posting it on her website. Some people – herself included – apparently find the notion of “Saint Hillary” saving us all quite appealing.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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How about answering the one’s I’ve just asked?
I did. You just didn’t like the answer.

Get over it, or have another Guinness ... whichever you prefer.
 
Written By: McQ
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"And I come from a tradition ..."

I am always amazed that these folks cannot even bring themselves to utter the word "religion".

" I note that no quotes I’ve read of Hillary’s admission actually mention the word "God.""

Bingo. One does wonder why her and others are so reluctant to use words normally associated with religion. Of course if you only have a "tradition"....
 
Written By: timactual
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""I sin every single day," said Edwards, the 2004 vice presidential nominee. "We are all sinners and we all fall short.""

*sigh* Here we go again. I bet he lusts in his heart, too.
 
Written By: timactual
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To me, Hillary and "faith" just seem to mix like oil and water for some reason. "Faith" in her naked desire to be President of the US is what led her to do what she did, nothing more.
Personally, I place zero credibility in any politicians public pronouncements of faith, since a public pronouncement is the opposite of Biblical direction on how one is to manage their relationship with Jesus.

That said, I have no idea how "faithful" one is compared to another.

Maybe I’ll adopt the methodology of this entry. If I don’t like someone’s point of view, their faith is in question, and of course if I do like their positions, they must obviously have true faith.

Show your lack of faith by disagreeing with me.

Sarcastic
 
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