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Nancy Pelosi is all for increasing Veteran’s funding, if the vets are Canadian (updated)
Posted by: McQ on Friday, June 22, 2007

***UPDATE: It's been pulled from the Pelosi website. Details below.***


Really, this again points out how very little the Democrats know about our military. This is simply basic stuff, but apparently not something any of Pelosi's staffers could be bothered to check out or most likely would know anyway.

Take a look at the pic on Pelosi's website (it's a flash thing, so wait till it comes around but there is a screen cap below) where she touts how "the House is providing the largest increase in veterans’ funding in history". The picture?

That of a Canadian officer.
Unless written otherwise, all epaulets have "CANADA" in gold lettering on the epaulets on the part nearest the sleeve.

Do they even know what our uniforms look like?

UPDATE: Since I'm sure it will soon disappear:

UPDATE II: As Hot Air reminds us, this isn't a first for the Dems.

UPDATE III: It's gone. Yup, it took three hours, but it is gone ... my guess is someone on the leftosphere finally saw the story and alterted Pelosi's staff. We're now treated to a flash graphic about greening the capitol.

How nice.
 
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Do they even know what our uniforms look like?
I think it’s a case of "I can’t tell those military types apart. They all look the same to me."
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
URL: http://
Dammit. Billy beat me to it.
 
Written By: The Gonzman
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They would have to be able to look at a Soldier without averting their eyes to be able to tell the difference.

They aren’t fit to gaze upon them.
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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At least the tropps they support are from this continent....that’s progress for them!
 
Written By: shark
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Actually, they would support Tropps before they would the troops!

And I should support better proofing skillz...
 
Written By: shark
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Maybe the word "CANADA" on the officer’s epaulet might be a friggin’ clue.
 
Written By: Tantor
URL: http://conprotantor.blogspot.com/
"We support the troops.... in Canada."
 
Written By: TallDave
URL: http://www.deanesmay.com
"We support the troops.... in Canada."

No war for wheat! or beavers, maple syrup, whatever. ;)
 
Written By: capt joe
URL: http://
or beavers
"Nice beaver!"

"Thanks - I stuffed it myself"
 
Written By: meagain
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Just called the Speaker’s office at (202) 225-0100 and the dude who answered the phone had less than no idea about any of this.

i was polite of course, but i also threw in a touch of editorial furor.

i suggest that everyone reading this post and commenting on it call the Speaker’s office and ask them why they are unable to tell the difference between Canadian uniformed personnel and American, and how and why this phot was chosen and didnt ANYBODY in the Speaker’s office bother to ask why the supposedly american soldier has "Canada" splashed acorss the shoulder epaulet?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

 
Written By: Mike D
URL: http://
Pelosi and her band of progressive socialist democrats are in fine company:

"I’m a pure and absolute democrat."
Vladimir Putin - 4 June 2007

"It’s time to replace American society!"
Hillary Clinton - 05/31/2007
 
Written By: Carl Steplock
URL: http://acan.gohotsprings.com
Maybe she’s the daughter of one of the Vietnam era draft dodgers/deserters.... :-)
 
Written By: Richard
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I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi herself selected the stock art photo, cackling with maniacal glee. In fact, I can see it now:

"Ha ha," Pelosi snidely remarked, "I can slowly replace our soldiers with Canadians, starting with photos on my own official site!"

"But, what... what about the right wing blagosphere?" remarked an inquisitive intern, chained to the wall. "What if they notice that the uniform is Canadian?"

"FOOL!" Pelosi sneered, turning to face the intern. "They’ve spent so much time m*st*rb*t*ng themselves on the internet that surely they’ll miss such a minor clue! And then," she waxed, twirling her mustachio, "then I shall surely rule the house for ALL ETERNITY!"

Outside the window, lightning flashed, striking the Washington Monument in a cruel omen of things to come.

—-

Has ANYONE considered that a staffer just scr*wed up selecting a stock art photo? These things aren’t exactly clearly marked. They probably just typed "military doctor" into corbis and picked the first one they saw. Jeez. Enjoy your c*rcl*j*rk, guys.
 
Written By: Adam
URL: http://anonymous/
Has ANYONE considered that a staffer just scr*wed up selecting a stock art photo?
Sure. I think that’s exactly what’s happened, and I’d bet all the commenters on the thread agree.

But the question is *why* did they screw up? Why have we seen Democrats make this exact screw up before? Because they have no familiarity with the military. "They all look the same to me." It indicates just how unconcerned they are about matters military, regardless of any "we support the troops" blather they put out.

Note that it’s not just the staffer screw up. It’s also the fact that an outsider had to point it out. I’d bet if the right side of the blogosphere had just been quiet about it, it would have stayed there indefinitely before *anybody* on Pelosi’s staff would have noticed.

And if you’ve nothing better than sexual innuendos to contribute to the discussion, I’d say that indicates something about you, too. It’s pretty clear what you’re obsessed with.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Has ANYONE considered that a staffer just scr*wed up selecting a stock art photo?
As Dale pointed out in a phone conversation, most stock photos are huge and they have to be cut down to a smaller size to be included in something like the flash animation.

That means the CANADA on her shoulder would have been huge.

So, I don’t know, would you consider a soldier with a huge CANADA on their shoulder to be from the US?

Bottom line is it’s Pelosi’s site and like all leaders (or those who pretend to be) they are responsible for all that does or doesn’t happen on their watch.

And, as pointed out, it’s not the first time the Dems have done this.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Its a good indicator of the desperation of the right that this sort of thing is all they have left to talk about...

Yes folks, the GOP supports the troops. Just read this proof from www.armytimes.com

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/05/military_payhike_whitehouse_070516/

White House: 3.5 percent pay hike unnecessary

By Rick Maze - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday May 16, 2007 17:34:13 EDT
Troops don’t need bigger pay raises, White House budget officials said Wednesday in a statement of administration policy laying out objections to the House version of the 2008 defense authorization bill.

The Bush administration had asked for a 3 percent military raise for Jan. 1, 2008, enough to match last year’s average pay increase in the private sector. The House Armed Services Committee recommends a 3.5 percent pay increase for 2008, and increases in 2009 through 2012 that also are 0.5 percentage point greater than private-sector pay raises.

The slightly bigger military raises are intended to reduce the gap between military and civilian pay that stands at about 3.9 percent today. Under the bill, HR 1585, the pay gap would be reduced to 1.4 percent after the Jan. 1, 2012, pay increase.

Bush budget officials said the administration “strongly opposes” both the 3.5 percent raise for 2008 and the follow-on increases, calling extra pay increases “unnecessary.”
 
Written By: anjin-san
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I’ve been told Canadian health care is the best and there are barely in Canadians in Iraq so really the scandal here is 50 million Americans without health insurance and a failed Iraq policy that should have left Saddam alone.
 
Written By: abwtf
URL: http://abw.mee.nu
The Bush administration had asked for a 3 percent military raise for Jan. 1, 2008, enough to match last year’s average pay increase in the private sector. The House Armed Services Committee recommends a 3.5 percent pay increase for 2008, and increases in 2009 through 2012 that also are 0.5 percentage point greater than private-sector pay raises.

Bush budget officials said the administration “strongly opposes” both the 3.5 percent raise for 2008 and the follow-on increases, calling extra pay increases “unnecessary.”
Because those .5%’s would come out of other benifits, like those for spouses...

But nice try though...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
URL: http://
Okay, I just read through all the comments, and I was waiting for someone to go here:

I’d go, oh... at least 2-to-1 that what everyone here is deriding as ignorant negligence was actually audacity.

Look, folx: Maplestan is the most salable "model" that commiecrats can come up with when it comes to the "health care crisis". Don’t you get it?
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
Well I’d posit this;
Supposedly Gerald Ford was campaigning in South Texas in the 1976 election. He was doing the photo op for the Latino vote and was going to eat a tamale, but being from the frozen north what did HE know about tamales, so he tried eating it without shucking it...Made for an AWFUL photo op and didn;’t get a lot of the Latino vote, either. One of his rules of campaigning after that was , "ALWAYS shuck your tamales."...OR,

The Rock band that wanted ONLY Green M&M’s in their preshow buffet....

These are all heuristic/short-hands for judging fairly complex things. "Journey" I think it was, figured that if the show promoter got the Green M&M"s right that they got the rest of the "punch list" right, too. Latino’s figured that if Gerald Ford didn’t know enough to shuck a tamale he probably didn’t know enough about THEM, to really be of much service to them.

As it relates HERE, Adam and Anjin-san, IF Pelosi’s staff can’t be bothered to tell CANADIAN Soldiers from AMERICAN soldiers, it probably suggest that they really don’t know much about soldiers and don’t really care to learn...further suggesting that any "concern" is merely window dressing tossed out to try and show they really DO care about the troops, not just appeading the Nutroots crowd.
 
Written By: Joe
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I’ve been told Canadian health care is the best and there are barely in Canadians in Iraq so really the scandal here is 50 million Americans without health insurance and a failed Iraq policy that should have left Saddam alone.
No, the real scandal is that the US education system is so bad that you could graduate without the ability to write a coherent sentence. A smaller scandal is that you believe everything you’ve been told.
 
Written By: steverino
URL: http://steverino.journalspace.com/
Adam: Has ANYONE considered that a staffer just scr*wed up selecting a stock art photo? These things aren’t exactly clearly marked. They probably just typed "military doctor" into corbis and picked the first one they saw. Jeez. Enjoy your c*rcl*j*rk, guys.

Yes, of course, the Pelosi staffer screwed up because s/he couldn’t tell the difference between a Canadian soldier and an American one. And her editor screwed up because s/he couldn’t either. And everyone in Pelosi’s office screwed up who looked at the site and saw nothing amiss.

Meanwhile, anybody in Middle America who has been in the military took one look at the uniform color and epaulets and said WTF? What American military service is THAT?

The issue here is that Pelosi and her office are so out of touch with the military that they can’t tell an American GI from the doorman at the Ritz. They’re probably asking the bellboy if he just got back from Iraq.

And by the way, when you lefties writhe in pain under the whip of righteous criticism then lash out with sexual taunts because that’s the best you can do, it just makes me enjoy your torment more.



 
Written By: Tantor
URL: http://conprotantor.blogspot.com/
"’Journey’ I think it was,..."

It was Van Halen, and the M&M’s were brown.

With my own eyes, I’ve seen the poor production-assistant bastards sitting around a dressing room picking ’em out.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
1: There is a place to buy stock photos online, and I’m sure most web masters know it. When a photographer places his pic there to sell, he is required to remove identifying symbols and such...recently there was a another picture of a Canadian soldier on Remembrance day with his insignia photo-shopped out in accordance to the policy of the stock-photo brokers.

2: I am a Canadian. The guy who said we had the best health-care system has never been sick or injured here. Our best doctors have gone to the US to earn real money, the waiting times are insane, hospitals are being closed by the government or are depending on donations to serve the public, taxes are going up to pay for this system (half of Ontario’s budget is to health care), private clinics are illegal but thriving (and frequented by many liberal politicians who pass laws against them, including our former Prime Minister) and in general our health care system is becoming more expensive but less effective. The nice thing is that it is government-funded so no-one has to go without, but surely universal access can be achieved some other way. What we have now is what I call breadline medicine. It is not good enough, I want a choice, I want a better system. Socialism is failing us.
 
Written By: Johnny 100 Pesos
URL: http://
Well Billy it was good for their soul’s and a nice introduction to the "entertainment" industry.....thanks I couldn’t exactly recall which band it was.
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
Why would someone be expected to be able to tell the uniforms apart? I mean, we’re talking about people working on web page design here. The key is that if the web page people make a mistake, that it gets caught and changed quickly. That seems to have happened. Is there really anything to criticize here? Sheesh. I mean, there is a lot one can criticize Pelosi about, but this seems seems comical in its unimportance.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
You mean besides where it says CANADA on the epaulets...
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
URL: http://asecondhandconjecture.com/
Why would someone be expected to be able to tell the uniforms apart?
One would hope those having the responsibility of shooting at them, would be able to tell the difference. Let me guess; you’ve never been in the military, have you, Scott? That point aside, perhaps we now have a working model for why Democrats have such a hard time in the detection of foreign invaders...

Billy may have a point.

Personally, I wonder if part of the deal isn’t an understanding that their target audience really isn’t going to care what uniform is being worn. And yes, I know, that those in our military would be able to tell the difference... and that is precisely my point; our military is not the target audience of that little piece of propaganda.

PAW; People like Scott Erb, are.

Pelosi is pandering to her base and trying to create a comfort zone for those liberals worried about how the Military is getting the fuzzy end of the stick from the Democrats. Such a show of ’one-ness" with the military gives the leftie base a little comfort zone.
 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
An anti-war type once complained to me how "We’re inflaming Muslims by sending crusaders to Iraq! Look at the cross on this American soldier’s uniform!"

Unfortunately for his point, of course, the soldier wasn’t American, but part of the Latvian (IIRC - somewhere in Eastern Europe, and working with the Poles) contingent.

Just glancing at the picture made it obvious to me they weren’t American troops, though - the uniform cut was wrong, and the camo pattern was one the US doesn’t use.
 
Written By: Sigivald
URL: http://
or the fact that it looks NOTHING like any US military uniform?
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
URL: http://
Scott Erb: "Why would someone be expected to be able to tell the uniforms apart? I mean, we’re talking about people working on web page design here. The key is that if the web page people make a mistake, that it gets caught and changed quickly. That seems to have happened. Is there really anything to criticize here? Sheesh. I mean, there is a lot one can criticize Pelosi about, but this seems seems comical in its unimportance."

Scott, it is a revealing detail. It’s like talking to your girlfriend and she calls you another guy’s name. Hey, as long as it’s quickly corrected, all’s well, right?

If Pelosi can’t even get the little things right about the military, like find a photo of one of our soldiers, then she can not be trusted to get the big things right, like running a war. If Pelosi’s opinions about the conduct of the war are to be taken seriously, wouldn’t you say it’s reasonable to expect her to know which soldiers are on our side? Perhaps, maybe she could have one person, just one at least, on her staff who even knows what our soldiers look like?



 
Written By: Tantor
URL: http://conprotantor.blogspot.com/
Adam, Anjin-san & Scott Erb,

I can’t imagine why we’d expect the Office of the Speaker of the House, the person 3rd in line to be Commander in Chief, to ever be able to recognize the difference between American Soldiers in Iraq & Canadian Soldiers in Afghanistan or the daily uniforms worn by those serving in the US military vs. those from another country. Let me guess they support the troops but oppose the uniforms… or should we give her half credit because she did manage to focus on troops from the same continent… nuance & all?

To be fair I’m sure Adam, Anjin-san & Scott Erb can provide several links to comments they have made anywhere I the blogsphere forgiving any mishaps or “mistakes” made by President Bush in the last 6+ years. What no links or comments, big surprise here.

This supposed faux pas is indicative of the type of focus & complete commitment dear Nancy & the Democratic controlled Congress have shown in all of their efforts regarding healthcare, the economy, the GWOT, supporting the troops, cleaning up corruption in Congress, establishing & maintaining a 5 day work-week for Congress, eliminating pork spending & has lead to the stunning 14% approval rating. Let me guess another clear mandate from the American people?

It does make me wonder what uniforms Harry Reid was looking at when he proclaimed the War in Iraq is lost?
 
Written By: PMain
URL: http://
It does make me wonder what uniforms Harry Reid was looking at when he proclaimed the War in Iraq is lost?
That didn’t even occur to me...

Maybe we’ve been wrong about the moron all this time...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
URL: http://
Yep, the pic is gone. It’s just after 4 PM CST, and it’s gone.
 
Written By: Eddie
URL: http://www.myspace.com/madmonkphotog
Nice circle jerk you guys have going on here. Keep working yourselves into a frenzy; it’s terribly productive.
 
Written By: bigyazz
URL: http://
Oh my god, a staffer made a mistake putting up a picture. The world is coming to an end. Meanwhile over 60 U.S. soldiers were killed by your hero Bush this month, who also, unlike Pelosi, refuses to raise their salary. Yes, phony manufactured outrage suits you well so you can ignore the real crimes and not sully your beautiful minds with the horrors you have helped create.
 
Written By: PaulQX
URL: http://
If Pelosi can’t even get the little things right about the military, like find a photo of one of our soldiers, then she can not be trusted to get the big things right, like running a war.

Actually, the one thing has nothing to do with the other. You don’t need any knowledge of military uniforms at all to generate sound foriegn policy. Perhaps you’re confusing the role of the civilian government — to create and pass policy — with the role of the military — to implement policy where military engagement is required.
 
Written By: Sam Hutcheson
URL: http://
Oh, grow up people.
 
Written By: Abe
URL: http://
You don’t need any knowledge of military uniforms at all to generate sound foriegn policy.
Uh Sam, hello in there ... this is domestic policy she was talking about.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
I am disappointed that Nancy Pelosi doesn’t support veterans by having one or two on her staff to review military issues. Military people who have honorably served (John Kerry, call your office!) understand the importance of the History, Honor, and Traditions which are displaced on a military uniform.

Of course, those who have no honor, (Jack Murtha, call your office) and only scheme about how they intend to over come the lessons of History to erase our Traditions (Hillary call your office).
 
Written By: Don Meaker
URL: http://paterzplace.blogspot.com
"Billy may have a point."

I’m bloody tellin’ ya, already. Would you put it past her?
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
Nice circle jerk you guys have going on here. Keep working yourselves into a frenzy; it’s terribly productive.

Written By: bigyazz
I couldn’t agree more, after all Nancy has done much stupider things that have endangered our country & belittled the military. Getting mad at her demonstratible inability to do her job, her outlandish lack of respect for members of the military (especially decent, hard-working & fighting Canadian troops) by using them as political pawns or her inability to keep the most basic of campaign promises is totally childish when we could be praising her for the 14% Congressional approval rate!

Who knows, given another 100 hours, she & Harry may actually manage to achieve single digit approval numbers!
 
Written By: PMain
URL: http://
No, the real scandal is that the US education system is so bad that you could graduate without the ability to write a coherent sentence. A smaller scandal is that you believe everything you’ve been told.
Though I do regret writing "in Canadians in Iraq" instead of "any Canadians in Iraq" I think the sentence is quite coherent. In retrospect however, I guess I also should have added a /sarcasm tag but I always feel like it diminishes the joke.

Speaking of jokes:
Oh my god, a staffer made a mistake putting up a picture. The world is coming to an end. Meanwhile over 60 U.S. soldiers were killed by your hero Bush this month, who also, unlike Pelosi, refuses to raise their salary. Yes, phony manufactured outrage suits you well so you can ignore the real crimes and not sully your beautiful minds with the horrors you have helped create.
A remarkable achievement of getting everything wrong in every sentence, sometimes more than once.

1. It’s not just the staffer making the mistake.

2. No one said the mistake itself was critical or important but rather revealing for reasons explained several times in subsequent comments.

3. Bush is not my hero and probably most here would agree.

4. He didn’t kill the soldiers. (That by the way is the most revealing mistake as to the problem with your mindset)

5. He will raise soldiers’ pay, just not in the same way or necessarily as much as others propose.

6. There is no outrage, phony manufactured or otherwise. It’s pure mockery.

7. The reason we are in Iraq and our soldiers are dying is exactly because we stopped ignoring real crimes. The people our soldiers are there to kill are thugs, criminals, murderers and terrorists. To suggest we helped create the problem requires a flawed understanding of history and responsibility.

 
Written By: abwtf
URL: http://abw.mee.nu
Well I’m sure that all those who are explaining that this is "No Big T’ing", ALSO agreed that "Macaca" was no racial slur and certainly did not merit the Press coverage it received...Let’s all join me in a Big "Heck Yeah!"
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
And Trent Lott’s comment at the birthday party for Thurmon was just an innocent statement...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
URL: http://
I’m bloody tellin’ ya, already. Would you put it past her?
No. Particularly since we’ve already established that very little is beneath the woman.
 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
"the gap between military and civilian pay"

I have always wondered how they calculate equivalent wages. What is the civilian equivalent of an infantryman, and what is the civilian pay for that job?

 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
Great job guys picking up some lowly staffer’s incorrect choice of a photo. Its not like well over 30 Democrats who were vets ran for congress last year. There’s Jim Webb, Joe Sestak, Patrick Murphy, and Chris Carney who are all new congressmen vets. So sure, make a big deal of this while the REPUBLICAN president screws our military with with overextended tours, failing equipment, and a constantly shifting mission. The office of the Vice President thumbs its nose on laws followed by all previous administrations. Yeah, good job. Keep distracting the 15% or whatever remains of the GOP kool aid drinkers still supporting lil Georgie.
 
Written By: DRew
URL: http://
Does anybody really believe that Pelosi ever saw, let alone vetted the picture? To try to say a website error by a staffer quickly corrected says anything about their boss is silly (except the efficiency in correcting the error). Knowledge of uniforms isn’t very important to most people, and certainly irrelevant in policy making. Oh, Scott Jacobs, I agree about Trent Lott — the whole reaction to his comments about Strom Thurmond was utterly ridiculous. I hate the "gotcha game" — where you find an error or misstatement by an opponent and then ride it for all its worth to deride him or her, ignoring substance — when directed against either Republicans or Democrats. It was shameful to go after Lott for his statements at Thurmond’s party.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Again, this is a heuristic.... the photo simply shows that the Speaker’s staff hasn’t a CLUE about the US military! So, I think it is rather silly to try and excuse it, just own up to it, the Left in the country only "cares" for the troops as "victims" of economic slavery or Bush’s war, but has no REAL understanding of the military, whatsoever.
 
Written By: Joe
URL: http://
First off... DRew....abwtf....Bigyazz and PaulQX are all the same gutless wonder posting under different names. Pretty pathetic.

In the meantime, Congress....the PELOSI/REID congress has lower approval ratings than Bush currently does. Think that one over.

And third....never again should Nancy Pelosi and "circle jerk" be used in the same proximity....
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
Knowledge of uniforms isn’t very important to most people,
I guess, but most people, even those who don’t care, know that "Canada" doesn’t belong on the US uniform.
To try to say a website error by a staffer quickly corrected says anything about their boss is silly (except the efficiency in correcting the error
ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. Anything these staffs/campaigns put out- from fliers to events to web sites to campaign ads- are all overseen and vetted and re-vetted and vetted again. Don’t sit there like some nerd web designer in the backroom threw this up on the web w/o ANYONE looking at it, except other techies making sure the pixel counts and flash presentation worked? NOBODY bothered to check content?

Please Scott. Don’t embarass yourself any further.

Nobody is saying Pelosi herself approved it....but it’s her name on the line, so she takes the hit.

It’s a mistake that has been made before, you telling me how hard it is to tell the techies "use US military personnel in all stock photos"?
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
Shark, those things don’t get vetted the way you think. Take it from someone who worked as a Senate staffer (albeit before the internet — but you’d be surprised how much gets out that later turns out to have been an error, all because a staffer made a mistake).

What is hilarious in its total silliness is claims that this shows that "the staff...doesn’t have a clue about the military." Hogwash. Most people not in the military don’t really know much about uniforms or need to. That is unnecessary knowledge for analyzing policy and understanding American national interest. Hmmm...the President misjudges policy and creates a mess in Iraq with hundreds of thousands killed...well, that’s OK, we just made a few mistakes about WMD, but his heart was in the right place and the mistakes were understandable. But, a web page put together by some staffer has a mistake in a photo about something as like a uniform, and it gets corrected fast, THAT is serious stuff!

You can’t pay for this kind of humor!
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Scott: "Most people not in the military don’t really know much about uniforms or need to."

True. Nor do they need to know about game theory or international monetary policy, or the different between Sunni or Shiite.

Except the people who made the mistake on the photo are not most people. They are Congressional staffers. Important people who work on policy on behalf of Nancy Pelosi. They suppose and need to know about military uniforms, international monetary policy, and the different between Shiite and Sunni. The lives of "most people" depend on them know those things.
 
Written By: Minh-Duc
URL: http://
Again, this is a heuristic.... the photo simply shows that the Speaker’s staff hasn’t a CLUE about the US military! So, I think it is rather silly to try and excuse it, just own up to it, the Left in the country only "cares" for the troops as "victims" of economic slavery or Bush’s war, but has no REAL understanding of the military, whatsoever.
Much too nuanced for some of the mouth breathers who’ve beamed in here, Joe.

As for the claim that "most people" don’t know about uniforms", well here’s a clue, uniforms for the US Military don’t have a big "CANADA" written in big gold letters on them.

I know, I know ... it’s a toughie, I mean heck, actually looking at the big gold letters and figuring out what they say, why that’s beyond anyone, even a staffer huh?

Some people will try to excuse anything.

That’s what’s hilarious about this.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Minh-Duc: Congressional staffers don’t know military uniforms. That’s not really important in their world.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
What is hilarious in its total silliness is claims that this shows that "the staff...doesn’t have a clue about the military." Hogwash. Most people not in the military don’t really know much about uniforms or need to
Minh-Duc: Congressional staffers don’t know military uniforms. That’s not really important in their world.
AGAIN, IT DOESN’T TAKE A DETAILED KNOWLEDGE OF WORLD MILITARY UNIFORMS TO KNOW THAT THE WORD "CANADA" DOESN’T BELONG ON A US MILITARY UNIFORM.

They’re not being asked to identify obscure Norwegian infantry medals for christ sake.

Just because something is "not important" in their world doesn’t mean that excuses less than basic knowledge. Tell you what Scott...seeing as this crap goes up on the Speaker’s web page, under her name, and has been a minor flap in the past (and now present)- you damn well better think that this sort of thing is going to be "important" going forward, yah?

Would you accept such an excuse from your students, or any staff working for you? Be honest.
 
Written By: shark
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I saw instantly that it was not an American uniform, because I am a veteran. I could not really expect anyone in a Democrat politician’s office to share that awareness, or frankly care about anyone who did, unless they could be used as a victim. And you apologists, please don’t tell me what a trivial mistake it is. Correction: it is only trivial to YOU. But then I guess that’s what being a Dem is all about.
 
Written By: sherlock
URL: http://
Minh-Duc: Congressional staffers don’t know military uniforms. That’s not really important in their world.
It’s important the second they wanna toss it on the front page of a pretty important website.

The second they get told "Ok, throw together some Flash about the military and medical care", they should have made DAMN sure there were actual US military personell.

I’m not a Vet. I don’t spend time around people in military uniforms, and *I* knew it wasn’t US Military.
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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What I learned from this thread: QandO is a circlejerk, while apparently the 300+ comment threads at places like Atrios and Kos are balanced discussions.
 
Written By: The Unabrewer
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Perhaps, maybe she could have one person, just one at least, on her staff who even knows what our soldiers look like?
I understand that the Office of the Speaker is negotiating to bring war hero Jesse Macbeth on board, to make sure that their web site is squared away. :p
 
Written By: malclave
URL: http://
What I learned from this thread: QandO is a circlejerk, while apparently the 300+ comment threads at places like Atrios and Kos are balanced discussions.
Balanced only in this sense:

"I hate Bush!"
"No, I really hate McBush!tler!!!!"
"I however have everlasting hatred of all reTHUGuKKKRAPS."
......
"Well, I guess you do hate McSchrimpy lead GOP more than me, but only marginally so."

Consensus and balance.
 
Written By: bains
URL: http://
Uh Sam, hello in there ... this is domestic policy she was talking about.

Which makes it even less relevant. The only thing even approaching a relevant argument here is that failing to identify the uniform means Pelosi and/or her staff no "nothing about the military." The relevant counter-question to that is "why should the Speaker of the House or her staff be required to identify military uniforms on sight?" The Speaker’s job is to run the House. She’s not a member of the military. She’s not even a member of the Executive. There is nothing in the job description for the Speaker or a member of the House to identify military uniforms on demand. She is a member of the civilian government, not the military chain of command, and this tempest in a teacup about this picture is patently absurd.

All of this, without even bothering to address the salient point of her support for a larger pay increase for troops. It seems somewhat odd to get bent double over a meaningless photo snafu when the _policy_ she’s supporting is actually, well, good for people serving in the military.

There is no reason to believe that every politician in America should know the military’s customs and styles back and forth. If people think they should, they don’t really understand the concept of civilian government. Step back and think about this for even a couple of seconds and the irrationality of this entire thread should leap off the page at you.
 
Written By: Sam Hutcheson
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The only thing even approaching a relevant argument here is that failing to identify the uniform means Pelosi and/or her staff no "nothing about the military." The relevant counter-question to that is "why should the Speaker of the House or her staff be required to identify military uniforms on sight?"
Uh, gee Sam, I don’t know, a little word called ’credibility’ comes to mind.

And you wonder why the Congressional approval rating is at an all time low of 14%? Equally as interesting are the apologists and their credibility, or lack thereof.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
McQ, do you really think that a website quickly corrected with something as utterely unimportant as a uniform mistake would cause you to say this deals with credibility or somehow affects poll numbers. I mean, it’s hard to get more unimportant than this! A meaningless error quickly corrected garners such derision? Bizarroland!
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Uh, gee Sam, I don’t know, a little word called ’credibility’ comes to mind.

If you believe this incident in any way reflects on the "credibility" of Pelosi as Speaker of the House, you don’t understand American governance.

As for the approval rating, it’s most likely a function of a 30 year barrage of propaganda suggesting that government is the biggest evil in the world and must be destroyed, capped off by the most incompentent 6 years of government in living memory (if not the nation’s history.)
 
Written By: Sam Hutcheson
URL: http://
Lets suppose that things get really bad in the US. God forbid. There are bunch of armed soldiers running thru your town dressed in Arafat couture and others dressed in that funny pixelated stuff.

You are in mortal danger. You need help and protection. One set of uniformed men will die to protect you and your family. The other will scream "die infidel" and either blow,or cut your head off.

Wouldn’t you want to know which is the right one to go to for aid and protection?

BTW Canadian Forces wear that funny computer generated stuff too. Just like your Marine Corp.

 
Written By: signaler222
URL: http://
This whole thread is totally irrelevant. Some left-o art designer who would have definitely not been in the military has f**ked up thats all.

And I stand with all the other great draft dodgers of our time - Cheney and O’Reilly to name but two - when I say irrelevent!

Lets talk about Bushes approval ratings being lower than Carters!
 
Written By: herestheblag
URL: http://
If you believe this incident in any way reflects on the "credibility" of Pelosi as Speaker of the House, you don’t understand American governance.
I certainly understand the difference between foreign policy issues and domestic policy issues, something you seem not to understand. And I certainly have a handle on credibility, something which you seem to find unimportant.

The fact is the Speaker of the House had the picture of an obviously Canadian soldier on her web site while touting how much she was doing for our veterans. It is symbolic of how inept this Congress has been to this point as well as exemplifying why it now enjoys a 14% approval rating.
As for the approval rating, it’s most likely a function of a 30 year barrage of propaganda suggesting that government is the biggest evil in the world and must be destroyed, capped off by the most incompentent 6 years of government in living memory (if not the nation’s history.)
Really? Well why do we have such stalwarts as Harry Reid out there saying that Congressional Democrats "over promised" in the ’06 election? Most folks in fly-over country translate that into "they lied again".

It is hilarious, however to see the likes of Reid and Peolosi calling anyone else "incompetent" when you look at their record since being in charge. And the website kerfuffle is just another in a long line of examples of their incompetence.

Attention to detail, vetting, scrutiny, ensuring the proper image is presented to the public that builds their credibility instead of tearing it down, these are all important political as well as leadership attributes. The fact that it took this website to point out their mistake is an indicator that none of those attributes were evident in this particular case, and, as pointed out, haven’t been evident in their confused and inept leadership of the 110th Congress ... thus the approval rating.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Lets suppose that things get really bad in the US. God forbid. There are bunch of armed soldiers running thru your town

Alternately we could not base our discussion and thought experiment on the most outlandish scenarios imaginable and curtail them to a subset of possiblities contained with the description "things that might actually happen in reality."
 
Written By: Sam Hutcheson
URL: http://
I certainly understand the difference between foreign policy issues and domestic policy issues, something you seem not to understand. And I certainly have a handle on credibility, something which you seem to find unimportant.

I assure you I have a firm graps of both foreign and domestic policy issues, but if you must, by all means prop up your failure to produce actual argumentation with a nit-picking of a poorly phrased sentence in my original post. It would be of a theme with the nit-picking and over-emphasising of essentially irrelevant details that led to this post in the first place.

It is hilarious, however to see the likes of Reid and Peolosi calling anyone else "incompetent" when you look at their record since being in charge. And the website kerfuffle is just another in a long line of examples of their incompetence.

So, in your opinion incompetently declaring and waging war is equivalent to have a web intern post the wrong picture in a flash file? I just want to know where you stand so I can properly address your position. Also, are you now attributing my comments in this discussion thread to Reid and Pelosi or do you have some other citation of them using "incompetent" to describe something or someone?

Attention to detail, vetting, scrutiny, ensuring the proper image is presented to the public that builds their credibility instead of tearing it down, these are all important political as well as leadership attributes. The fact that it took this website to point out their mistake is an indicator that none of those attributes were evident in this particular case, and, as pointed out, haven’t been evident in their confused and inept leadership of the 110th Congress ... thus the approval rating.

This is a telling comment in that you believe that only by the strength and vigilance of "this website" was the horror of an incorrect photo usage brought to the light of day. Stand strong, soldier. Stand strong! It’s clearly only you up on that wall, saving civilization from the mortal danger posed by Nancy Pelosi’s Flash developer.

I was hoping to have a rational conversation, really.
 
Written By: Sam Hutcheson
URL: http://
Yes, this discussion is irrelevant, but it does show what kind of bias and world view a lot of Q and O posters have that they actually think this means something. They should, in fact, be praising Pelosi’s staff for quickly discovering and removing the error. It’s a classic attempt at the "gotcha" game: find a trivial error, and trump it up so it seems more important than it is in hopes that this somehow allows ridicule of a person to overtake reasoned debate. But it’s so silly in this case that it’s more funny than effective.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
I assure you I have a firm graps of both foreign and domestic policy issues, but if you must, by all means prop up your failure to produce actual argumentation with a nit-picking of a poorly phrased sentence in my original post. It would be of a theme with the nit-picking and over-emphasising of essentially irrelevant details that led to this post in the first place.
The post simply pointed to a gaffe and the fact that Peolsi’s staffers couldn’t seem to recognize that the picture they were using to tout benefits for US vets was that of a Canadian soldier. If anyone has engaged in nit-picking and excuse making, sir, it has been you.

And, while you may assure me of your grasp between the differences in both foreign and domestic policy, I have absolutely no proof that is true, other than your assurance. That’s much like the point made in the post about whether or not Pelosi’s staff even know what our soldiers look like. As I’ve been pointing out, it’s a credibility problem.
So, in your opinion incompetently declaring and waging war is equivalent to have a web intern post the wrong picture in a flash file?
The only one making that argument is you. But I would point out that "declaring war" required Democratic votes, and they were delivered overwhelmingly.
This is a telling comment in that you believe that only by the strength and vigilance of "this website" was the horror of an incorrect photo usage brought to the light of day. Stand strong, soldier. Stand strong! It’s clearly only you up on that wall, saving civilization from the mortal danger posed by Nancy Pelosi’s Flash developer.
You wouldn’t know a telling comment if it whacked you in the head, Sam. And trying to change the subject while ignoring the actual thrust of the comment is becoming tiresome.

Once more:

"Attention to detail, vetting, scrutiny, ensuring the proper image is presented to the public that builds their credibility instead of tearing it down, these are all important political as well as leadership attributes."

Agree or disagree? If you agree, please tell me how the Speaker of the House’s website helped build their credibility as concerns US veteran’s affairs by featuring a Canadian soldier. If you disagree, please try to stay on point and tell me why.

The fact that it took this website to point out their mistake is an indicator that none of those attributes were evident in this particular case, and, as pointed out, haven’t been evident in their confused and inept leadership of the 110th Congress ... thus the approval rating.

Agree or disagree. If you disagree that it isn’t an indicator among many indicators of their inept leadership, please enlighten us as to what Democratic Congressional leadership has accomplished which could be reasonably considered the successful fulfillment of their promises and thus not deserve the 14% approval rating they now enjoy.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
And I stand with all the other great draft dodgers of our time - Cheney and O’Reilly to name but two - when I say irrelevent!
I can always tell the lack of seriousness, and conversly the amount of hyperbole, when one bandies about the term "draft-dodger."
 
Written By: bains
URL: http://
Congressional staffers don’t know military uniforms.
That rather depends on whose congressional staff were talking about, doesn’t it? So much for "supporting the troops".

Scott you have an amazing ability in terms of being able to dance indefinitely. I suppose I’m not at all surprised by your being intentionally obtuse on the point that the empress has no clothes. Just immensely amused.

They should, in fact, be praising Pelosi’s staff for quickly discovering and removing the error.
Nonsense. Tell me, Scott, what would you be saying right now, did such an error show up on the White House site, for example? Or, that of the RNC?

You know was well as I do, you be screaming bloody murder right now.

 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
find a trivial error, and trump it up so it seems more important than it is in hopes that this somehow allows ridicule of a person to overtake reasoned debate. But it’s so silly in this case that it’s more funny than effective
That’s right...it’s so silly, the entire thing is down the memory hole on that web site.


Suuuuure.

Again Scott, would you accept that weak excuse from your students or staff?

 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
find a trivial error, and trump it up so it seems more important than it is in hopes that this somehow allows ridicule of a person to overtake reasoned debate
You mean like "Macacca"?


Or any verbal gaffe Bush or anyone connected with the Administration may have made in the last 7 years?

Scott, you must be a very generous grader...the sad part is this fool thinks he’s dancing a jog all around us, but he’s just the uncoordinated fat kid standing in the corner
 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
It even says Canada on her epaulette, remind me again how democrats are smarter.
 
Written By: Steven DallaVicenza
URL: http://
McQ, do you really think that a website quickly corrected with something as utterely unimportant as a uniform mistake would cause you to say this deals with credibility or somehow affects poll numbers. I mean, it’s hard to get more unimportant than this! A meaningless error quickly corrected garners such derision? Bizarroland!
and
Yes, this discussion is irrelevant, but it does show what kind of bias and world view a lot of Q and O posters have that they actually think this means something. They should, in fact, be praising Pelosi’s staff for quickly discovering and removing the error. It’s a classic attempt at the "gotcha" game: find a trivial error, and trump it up so it seems more important than it is in hopes that this somehow allows ridicule of a person to overtake reasoned debate. But it’s so silly in this case that it’s more funny than effective.
The thing that REALLY kills any chance of credibility - in my mind, at least - is the fact that it’s utterly without mention on her site. It’s pull, no appologizing comment, no statement admitting the error, nothing.

It’s gone, and they pray to god the sane and rational people in america forget that they apparently can’t read gold-on-black lettering...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
URL: http://
DRew
Great job guys picking up some lowly staffer’s incorrect choice of a photo. Its not like well over 30 Democrats who were vets ran for congress last year. There’s Jim Webb
Would that be the same Jim Webb that didn’t own an illegal handgun before he actually did own an illegal handgun?
 
Written By: marc
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Its not like well over 30 Democrats who were vets ran for congress last year.
WOW......30.

B.F.D.

 
Written By: Shark
URL: http://
Its not like well over 30 Democrats who were vets ran for congress last year.
That being the case, you’d think Nancy would make SURE pics claiming to be of US troops would actually be of US troops...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
URL: http://
Well, we’ll see how important this is in the real world. Let’s see how much attention it generates. Hmmm...I seem to hear crickets chriping. Must be that media bias, eh?
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Well, we’ll see how important this is in the real world. Let’s see how much attention it generates. Hmmm...I seem to hear crickets chriping. Must be that media bias, eh?
You’re catching on, idiot... You’re catching on...

Had a republican done this, it would have been a top of the hour story on CNN and MSNBC for days...

Only liberal who’ll grab this is John Stewart, because he loves mocking politicians in general...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
URL: http://
Had a republican done this, it would have been a top of the hour story on CNN and MSNBC for days..
No it wouldn’t have. It’s completely unimportant. A staffer makes an error and it gets corrected very quickly. An error on a graphic on a webpage. Can you get much more unimportant than that?
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Most of you losers probably never even earned the right to wear the uniform of a U.S. soldier, sailor, marine, or airman.

Democrats would have never made a peep about this mistake if a Rethuglican had made it- that’s why the MSM would not have reported on it.
 
Written By: Redleg
URL: http://
A staffer makes an error and it gets corrected very quickly.
Scott, why is it so hard for you to admit/acknowledge that the error wasn’t just "corrected very quickly," but required someone from outside of Pelosi’s staff to draw their attention to the faux pas?
It is revealing that you’ve been using that third person voice through out this thread.
 
Written By: bains
URL: http://
Scott, why is it so hard for you to admit/acknowledge that the error wasn’t just "corrected very quickly," but required someone from outside of Pelosi’s staff to draw their attention to the faux pas?
I doubt you can prove that, but the point is that once someone finds out, they fix it. Errors like that happen all the time, no big deal. I’m not sure what you mean about third person.
Most of you losers probably never even earned the right to wear the uniform of a U.S. soldier, sailor, marine, or airman.
Earned the right? Nah, we just decided not to volunteer for that kind of gig because we wanted to do something else. Soldier, educator, mechanic, doctor, nurse, etc., are all ways people make a living and contribute to society.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Most of you losers probably never even earned the right to wear the uniform of a U.S. soldier, sailor, marine, or airman.
I wrote the post and I wore the uniform of the US Army for 28 years. So what’s your point?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
I’ve not worn it (not really), but my father ENLISTED for Vietnam. You, I would wager, were "stationed in Canada", and thanked God for Carter...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
URL: http://
The error was collosal. The staff of the Speaker of the House of the United States does not even understand the need to have stock photos of people in uniform checked by somebody with the right background.

The story isn’t getting much play. Neither did the trial of "Chemical Ali." The selectivity of the MSM is on full display.
 
Written By: valerie
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1. I believe the point is that the message was to the veteran community that she supports increased medical benefits.

2. HOW IS SHE TO BE CREDIBLE IF SHE IS SENDING A MESSAGE TO VETERANS AND CANNOT HAVE THE CORRECT MILITARY IN THE PICTURE.

3. Everything else here is hogwash.

4. AND, it DOES NOT matter at what level the error was made, the Speaker of the House is responsible for the content on her website, whether she know or not.
 
Written By: SW
URL: http://
PaulQX,
"refuses to raise their salary."

Typical! A slightly lower rate of increase is not "refusing to raise their salary." Nice try!
 
Written By: exhelodrvr
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And for want of a picture of a U.S. soldier, Pelosi’s animation has totally pulled her story on supporting veteran’s funding.

They couldn’t find an appropriate photo and get their message back up? Why would it take four days to get it corrected? As Speaker of the House, surely she can ask someone and find out where there are U.S. military bases and arrange another photo?

The message probably wasn’t that important....
 
Written By: SouthernRoots
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No it wouldn’t have. It’s completely unimportant.
Bull.
 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
No it wouldn’t have. It’s completely unimportant.
Heh ... from someone who has spent most of 4 days and countless comments trying to convince everyone how "unimportant" it is.



 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
I clicked on the "official government website" and, sure enough, got to Pelosi’s website...but I see no sign of the picture at issue. Can you find it there ? Maybe send a link to it ? ...or is this a piece of misinformation ?

It’s the partisan bickering that makes our Congress dysfunctional... of course they have been profoundly misled by shrub.
Neither party has done a whole lot about the disintegrating healthcare facilities in the US...although they both seem willing to throw unlimited amounts of money at the military.

Why would you support Republicans, Media does not make much of their trademark incompetence.
 
Written By: Robert Vogel
URL: http://www.seconnecticut.com/
What!? Health care, military readiness, real issues? No, no, no, you don’t get it. What matters is a mistake that might briefly appear on a website and then get corrected. THAT "discredits" Pelosi and all the Democrats, even the vets. That is what’s important. Style over substance! Form over function! The fact this gets considered important by some is a prime example of post-modern politics.

The fact that there is no trace of this, except for claims by some that what they show was on Pelosi’s website (I believe it probably did, though I didn’t see it either) makes it even more post-modern. Fascinating.

 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
True, the artist or director or whomever is responsible for posting the site needs some education in U.S. Military dress.(and believe me, it aint Pilosi herself, diggin up the stock photos.) Does it really matter? I mean shouldn’t the focus be on the fact that some good is going to happen for the benefit of our veterans? Or is partisan finger pointing taken over the web to such an extent that even though a good thing is being done (albeit by those Godless heathens), we have to find SOMETHING to blame Democrats for?
 
Written By: ME
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This promise may be the same as authorizing the 780 mile ’fence’ to be built on the Mexican border to stop the flow of ILLEGAL ALIENS across our borders...but NOT AUTHORIZING THE FUNDS. Gotit?
 
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