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The face of the enemy as seen through a child’s eyes
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, June 27, 2007

Since we have some rumblings among Democrats about abandoning Afghanistan to its fate as well as Iraq, a little reminder of the evil we face in both places. This time the story comes out of Afghanistan:
The story of Juma Gul [a 6 y.o., Afghan boy], who says he thwarted an effort by Taliban militants to trick him into carrying out a suicide bombing against U.S. troops provoked tears and anger at a weekend meeting of tribal leaders. Though the Taliban dismissed the story as propaganda, at a time when U.S. and NATO forces are under increasing criticism over civilian casualties, both Afghan tribal elders and U.S. military officers said they were convinced by his dramatic account.

Taliban fighters fitted a 6-year-old street kid with a bomb vest and told him to go “spray flowers” at the American soldiers. But, instead he went to an Afghan checkpoint and asked the guards, “‘Hey, can you help me? Somebody gave me this jacket, and I don’t know what’s inside, but maybe something bad.”
MichaelW at A Second Hand Conjecture has the details. I'd just remind you that the same sort of cowards as the ones trying to get this 6 year old to wear a bomb vest recently used children as a means of getting a car bomb past security in Iraq before blowing the car - and the children - up.

Michael concludes:
Maybe we should have Juma Gul testify before Congress. At least then the anti-war Dems could claim that finishing our job in Afghanistan is For The ChildrenTM.
Seems the children of SW Asia just aren't that big of a priority for them, much like, in 1974, those in SE Asia weren't.
 
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Seems the children of SW Asia just aren’t that big of a priority for them, much like, in 1974, those in SE Asia weren’t

so, by "them", you mean the vast majority of the American people?
 
Written By: Francis
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No ... by "them" I mean the Democratic Congress.
 
Written By: McQ
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...recently used children as a means of getting a car bomb past security in Iraq before blowing the car - and the children - up.

Yes, I remember that one. And reading the comments on that thread was discouraging for me. The willingness of some people for us to fold our tent and give in to such barbarism, and to come up with ever more complex and dodgy rationalizations for that course, is something I simply cannot understand.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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From Golda Meir:
Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.
* Sometimes cited as a statement to the National Press Club in Washington, D. C. in 1957. This seems the most widely quoted of many variants, and the only widely cited original source, but a more specific date is needed here. There are also indications that this statement was made in 1972, which might be a more likely date.
Via Wikipedia
 
Written By: tom scott
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so, in the early 70s and in the late 00s there is a Republican president, a Democratic Congress and a truly unpopular war. (of course the analogy isn’t perfect since the US had already largely withdrawn from Vietnam.)

and in both instances you think that the Democratic Congress acted wrongly in listening to their constituents.

libertarians are, apparently, quite willing to let poor american children die from preventable causes (opposition to medicaid), let american seniors be financially devasted by illness (opposition to medicare), and let american elder poverty skyrocket (opposition to soc. sec.).

but by god if the american public turns against a war that libertarians want to fight, then american elected officials have a duty to ignore their constituents. It’s For The Children!
 
Written By: Francis
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and in both instances you think that the Democratic Congress acted wrongly in listening to their constituents.
Why are you asking me, why not asked those who had to live with the consequences?

Oh, yeah, you can’t. They’re dead.
 
Written By: McQ
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libertarians are, apparently, quite willing to let poor american children die from preventable causes (opposition to medicaid), let american seniors be financially devasted by illness (opposition to medicare), and let american elder poverty skyrocket (opposition to soc. sec.).
Oh, and this.

Uh, only if you believe that government is the only answer to these problems. But in your black and white world - and being a big government lib - I assume that’s what you believe, so what’s the use in going into it?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
McQ:

it appears that you and I actually agree on an important point. That is, a lot of the time the american people suck.

they quit fights that they should stay in.
they believe that the government can provide free health care.
they believe in a benevolent interventionist god.
they support news media which provides soundbites and entertainment instead of information.
they are barely literate and almost entirely innumerate.
their beliefs about the amount and categories of federal and state governmental spending are wildly inaccurate.
their understanding about basic economic principles is minuscule.
their appreciation of actual risk is nonexistent.
their understanding of foreign affairs is laughable.

so, you’re p*ssed off that americans grew tired of the vietnam war and are growing tired of the iraq occupation, and you’re p*ssed off that elected representatives in both cases responded to their constituents.

i’m p*ssed off that this country has the most dysfunctional health care system of any industrialized nation, a tax system that is incomprehensible, and an economic system that has resulted in the increases in income and wealth generated by the system as a whole being captured by an ever shrinking few.

man, americans just plain old suck, don’t we. i’ve heard ireland’s nice.

p.s.: before the name-calling starts, this comment is HYPERBOLE.

 
Written By: Francis
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libertarians are, apparently, quite willing to let poor american children die from preventable causes (opposition to medicaid), let american seniors be financially devasted by illness (opposition to medicare), and let american elder poverty skyrocket (opposition to soc. sec.).
You realize that you can walk into any ER, and get medical treatment for pretty much anything, right? No one withholds treatment (well, it happens, but the public outcry is deffening).

And you realize that What you pay into Soc Sec and the interest in accrues only lasts about 15-20 years, right? And that assumes you pay into it in the first place.

Soc Sec is tanking very, very fast. I don’t want Soc Sec to go away, I just want to control it so it WON’T go away.

Francis, do you understand the people who died because we left Vietnam to the communists would NOT be dead had we NOT left it to the communists?

Do you understand WHY we have a problem with a group who would use children to deliver bombs? Don’t you think we should STOP those people?
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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so, you’re p*ssed off that americans grew tired of the vietnam war and are growing tired of the iraq occupation, and you’re p*ssed off that elected representatives in both cases responded to their constituents.
No, I would think that if he were still pissed about ’Nam, it would be because retards like you listened to the media when it said we were losing a war we were actually winning.

The only reason the VC held out so long is because they knew that we’d eventually walk because of people like Hanoi Jane and her propoganda on the VC’s behalf.

Yeah, their leader is quoted on that. Thanks for playing, moron.
i’m p*ssed off that this country has the most dysfunctional health care system of any industrialized nation, a tax system that is incomprehensible, and an economic system that has resulted in the increases in income and wealth generated by the system as a whole being captured by an ever shrinking few.
Francis, you’re f*cking retarded. We have the best (or next to the best) healthcare in the WORLD. Canadians come HERE for treatment because their system sucks wang. The UK has VERY similar problems, and it’s system is breaking down as we speak.

Are Canada and the UK not industrial? Name me a country that has more advanced technology and medication for the treatment of anything. 75% of medical breakthroughs come from US pharmisudical companies or surgeons. Us. How is it our system sucks?

Your actual understanding of wealth distribution in this country is stunning. No, really, it is. It’s like you LIVE your statement of americans understanding nearly nothing.
an, americans just plain old suck, don’t we. i’ve heard ireland’s nice.

p.s.: before the name-calling starts, this comment is HYPERBOLE.
Damn... Here I was hoping you’d leave.

But be sure to renounce your citizenship on your way out... I’d hate for a moron like you to end up voting on something important...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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The Spanish conquistadors supposedly took Incan children, baptised them, and then killed them, thus sending them directly to heaven. If you use this twisted logic, the Taleban wouldn’t think much of using children - they’re getting first class tickets to heaven, right?
 
Written By: Harun
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Irrational Voters: Bryan Caplan identifies...

four biases that prompt voters systematically to demand policies that make them worse off. First, people do not understand how the pursuit of private profits often yields public benefits: they have an anti-market bias. Second, they underestimate the benefits of interactions with foreigners: they have an anti-foreign bias. Third, they equate prosperity with employment rather than production: Mr Caplan calls this the “make-work bias”. Finally, they tend to think economic conditions are worse than they are, a bias towards pessimism.

(From an Economist review of his book.)

Seems to me Francis that your hyperbole isn’t too hyperbolic...
 
Written By: Harun
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Scott J:

America without doubt delivers the best health care to those for whom price is no object. And a few people can afford Ferraris.

But Fiats are terrible, Italian transportation systems are terrible and emergency rooms most nights are terrible.

I can’t make it any simpler than this:

1. by federal law, all ERs must serve everyone without regard to their ability to pay.
2. medical care delivered by ERs tends to be very expensive compared to consistent primary care.
3. devising a system in which for millions of americans an ER is the first, and often only, point of contact with the medical system is insane, because it’s an enormous waste of resources.
4. but that’s precisely the system we have.

and any change to the system requires persuading over half of the House, 60% of the Senate and the President. so while you’re free to have libertarian fantasies about ERs functioning on charity to cover the costs of the uninsured without federal mandates or funding, I suspect the reality is that a bill to lift the federal mandate on ERs’ duty to serve would never even find a sponsor.

but feel free to try. hell, over at Cato’s blog someone is starting up the Anti-Universalist Group. I think its odds of success are microscopic but I respect the willingness of the sponsors to speak out even if I disagree.

on Vietnam: I was born in ’63, so I was too young to vote in both ’68 and ’72. The point is not what I believe, the point is that the pro-war contingent was unable to persuade the rest of the country to stay in the fight.

so, either
(a) Americans suck because they won’t stick out a long fight or
(b) Americans suck because they’re gullible and easily persuaded by anti-war factions / traitors; or
(c) both.

neither is not an option. and at the end of the day, no matter how much you think i’m a moron and no matter how many cute / horrible photos McQ posts, the unpopularity among american voters of the wars in ’72 and in ’07 is a fact.

 
Written By: Francis
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America without doubt delivers the best health care to those for whom price is no object. And a few people can afford Ferraris.
Again I ask, are you aware that if you walk into an ER, you can get any treatment you need to live? The poor get accress to the same life-saving as anyone else.

It may be a bad system, but to call it the most dysfunctional when people from other countries come here for life-saving medicine and treatments, I think is a flat out lie for the purpose of inciting hysteria and irrational anger.

It’s also largely a mirror of Moore’s new movie...
so while you’re free to have libertarian fantasies about ERs functioning on charity to cover the costs of the uninsured without federal mandates or funding, I suspect the reality is that a bill to lift the federal mandate on ERs’ duty to serve would never even find a sponsor.
Ok, I must be missing something here. You DON’T want ERs to provide care? You do know that ERs expect to never recover a dime that isn’t covered by insurance, right? ERs are monitary sink-holes for Hospitals, and they know it. It is a reality they have dealt with for decades. You seem to suggest that there SHOULD be a bill passed to allow ERs to NOT give care to people who can’t pay...
on Vietnam: I was born in ’63, so I was too young to vote in both ’68 and ’72. The point is not what I believe, the point is that the pro-war contingent was unable to persuade the rest of the country to stay in the fight.

so, either
(a) Americans suck because they won’t stick out a long fight or
(b) Americans suck because they’re gullible and easily persuaded by anti-war factions / traitors; or
(c) both.
or (d) You’re an idiot.

The reason the anti-war crowd won was because of a hugely biased media that all but refused to show anything but negative images.

Does that sound at all familiar to you?

The issue isn’t that people are stupid, it’s that they only know what they hear.

If for the next 100 years you taught every child that the moon is, in fact, made of cheese, and there was a near 100% blackout on the fact that it isn’t, the world would soon be filled with people who want to go to the moon because they are short on lox and shmeer.

The difference now is that there is a new form of media allowing more than one view of the war to come through. Network/Main Stream media is up against a horde of independants who are there, and blogging in at the end of the day what they saw and did, or recording video over there and uploading it to the internet for BILLIONS to see.

The majority of this country isn’t against the war. If indeed over 50% of the people are actually AGAINST it, there aren’t against THE war. They are against what is presented to them as "the war". "The war" and THE war are almost polar opposites, and honestly I can’t blame people for being confused. When you are utterly mislead by a system that was long entrusted with bringing you the truth, what else is there?

Faith in the the MSM is waining, but it’s almost engrained into our society. It will take a long, long time for people to come to know other sources that give actual fact, not one-sides statistics, meaningless lists and numbers, and outright lies that occationally boarder on enemy propoganda.
and at the end of the day, no matter how much you think i’m a moron and no matter how many cute / horrible photos McQ posts, the unpopularity among american voters of the wars in ’72 and in ’07 is a fact.
Well, I’m glad my opinion of you matters little, because you sure nailed it.

You moron.

As I’ve stated, any unpopularity amongst the america populace is largely an uninformed unpopularity.

The fact that you are unable to SEE that leads me to suspect you are either off your meds, willfully ignorant of the state of things, or just being contrary for the sake of it.

I’m hoping for those three...

I certainly hope you aren’t actually as stupid as you seem to be.

I mean, if that were the case, then I would have to wonder how you manage to drool properly without first watching an instructional video.

PS. Occasionally, it is helpful to start a sentence with a capitol letter.

I’m just saying...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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so, in the early 70s and in the late 00s there is a Republican president, a Democratic Congress and a truly unpopular war. (of course the analogy isn’t perfect since the US had already largely withdrawn from Vietnam.)

and in both instances you think that the Democratic Congress acted wrongly in listening to their constituents.
Look at that bolded part again, Francis. Do you see the problem? It’s not a problem with the electorate. It’s a problem with those charged with responsibility for the welfare of this nation (a responsibility for which they have arrogated yp themselves an ever-greater power). When defeating political opponents is placed above the welfare of the country, it’s no wonder you have "unpopular wars."

The minority of anti-war Democrats who are doing that now don’t give two sh*ts about you, your family, or anything remotely having to do with your general well-being. All they are concerned about is marshalling enough votes to keep themselves in power. Republicans will do the same thing, mind you, because it is in their (i.e. politicians’) interests to do so. You should disabuse yourself of the notion that government is your friend. It may be a necessary evil, but it is an evil nonetheless.

Islamists assay to kill and/or control all of us. It may be a far-fetched notion on their part, but allowing them breathing room to foment their lunacy is folly on our part. Apologising for those who would allow such a situation makes you complicit in their destructive game. Is that what you want?

 
Written By: MichaelW
URL: http://asecondhandconjecture.com
Remember the Maine!

——but no, the media could never sway the American one way or the other about a war.
 
Written By: Harun
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As I’ve stated, any unpopularity amongst the america populace is largely an uninformed unpopularity.
...
——but no, the media could never sway the American one way or the other about a war.


so, americans suck because they’re gullible enough to be swayed by a biased media.

man, given how unpopular this war is, Rush Limbaugh must really suck at his job.

by the way, Jacobs, if you’re going to comment on my typing style, at least spell correctly. THESE ARE CAPITAL LETTERS. The US Capitol is in Washington DC.
 
Written By: Francis
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They aren’t swayed, you retard.

They are only given one data set. That isn’t swaying. It’s just biased reporting.

And if you think Rush Limbaugh = MSM, no WONDER democrats want the fairness doctrine... I mean, one guy vs. ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, and several newspapers (NY Times, LA Times, yada yada yada)...

I can’t express how shocked I am that you really ARE as stupid as you seem to be... How’s that video going?

Damnit... rule 23 is in effect. I’d even double-checked which was which... Ah well.

I’m not looking for subject/verb agreement, I’m just looking for a subject and a verb...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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