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Oh, man ....
Posted by: McQ on Monday, July 09, 2007

Freshman Congressman Keith Ellison, D-MN:
On comparing Sept. 11 to the burning of the Reichstag building in Nazi Germany: "It's almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that. After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it and it put the leader of that country [Hitler] in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted. The fact is that I'm not saying [Sept. 11] was a [U.S.] plan, or anything like that because, you know, that's how they put you in the nut-ball box — dismiss you."
That is how they put you in the nut-ball box? Heh, yeah, comparing 9/11 to the Reichstag fire would never do that, Mr. Ellison.
 
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Actually when students learn the history of Germany, they immediately start bringing up that very comparison, even though 9-11 is far distant from the subject matter at hand. I think a lot of people are struck by the similarities — new leader, sudden terrorist attack, used as a rationale to expand power. The differences are immense too, the American system is resilient against abuse of power, and President Bush was well intended while Hitler was vile. But that doesn’t mean there aren’t points of comparison.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
"But that doesn’t mean there aren’t points of comparison."
And thusly, the camel’s nose is in the tent.
 
Written By: notherbob2
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"new leader, sudden terrorist attack, used as a rationale to expand power."

Because 3,000 dead people is just a rationale.

But hey, two can play at this game. Next time we have a Democrat in office, we shouldn’t hold back with any old comparison ...

National healthcare? Hmmm, new leader, socialistic ideals, nationalizing parts of the economy...why sounds like Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot to me.

What do you think Scott?
 
Written By: Harun
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My god, Erb. You realize by following that chain of thought you are fully in the truther camp. So you really think that the US started the whole thing?? Why??

That is completely retarded

After that, you get no more free passes.
 
Written By: capt joe
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President Bush was well intended while Hitler was vile. But that doesn’t mean there aren’t points of comparison.
I only wish Bush wasn’t well-intentioned, so that idiots who have the gall to spew this idiocy would get what was coming to them...
 
Written By: shark
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that’s how they put you in the nut-ball box
We’re gonna need a bigger box. < / quint>
 
Written By: Robby
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"Actually, when students learn the history of Germany, they immediately start bringing up that very comparison."
Sure they do, Erb. And if they don’t, perhaps you’re not averse to giving the little darlings a push in the correct rightthink direction?
"President Bush was well intentioned while Hitler was vile."


Really? Seems not so long ago your side was telling us "at least Hitler meant well."
"But that doesn’t mean there aren’t points of comparison."
If there were, you loathsome jackass, you’d be nothing more than a plume of smoke curling up from the crematoria.
 
Written By: Christopher
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"...But that doesn’t mean there aren’t points of comparison."

I would say something derogatory, but Grimshaw wouldn’t approve.
 
Written By: timactual
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You all are missing the point: comparisons are everywhere. It isn’t wrong to make comparisons, you learn from them. It’s wrong to make false conclusions based on comparisons. Nazi Germany has for too long been "off limits" in making comparisons because of the emotion behind the holocaust and World War II. But there are numerous lessons from that era which are best exemplified by comparisons, including what conclusions are not applicable. The knee jerk "there was a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis so therefore heap insults on the person doing the comparison" is irrational — and, actually has something in common with nazi tactics of refusing to debate opponents and instead ridicule and intimidate them ;-) It should be clear I’m not saying Bush is anything like Hitler, only that there are comparisons to the events and it’s something that a lot of people notice when they first hear about the Reichstag fire. But look at where that led Germany — to dictatorship — and where it’s leading us — to continue a healthy political system — helps us explain what’s different about our system so such an event wouldn’t lead to the horrors of Nazi Germany.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
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Obvious political bullsh*t. I can say this positively, because I’ve read the rest of his remarks at the same event.

To atheists: "’You’ll always find this Muslim standing up for your right to be atheists,’ he told the group."

It may be technically correct - I have no idea as to whether or not he would defend atheists against his co-religionists - but glosses over in a meaningful way the fact that, taken at it’s word, as practiced by a significant number, and approvingly endorsed by the vast majority of the Ummah, Islam demands the beheading of those who deny Allah.

In another piece of verbal misdirection (9/11 and the Reichstag fire both united the majority of the populations against a common enemy) he conflates their results with their motives.

But what do you expect? He’s a politician. His lips are moving.
 
Written By: bud
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Islam says religion must be a free choice and not coerced. It commands that one not fight an enemy who wants peace. Even Iran gives special representation in parliament to the Jewish, Christian and Zorastrian communities in Iran. The vast majority of Muslism are peaceful and are shocked by things like beheadings, since they are un-Islamic.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
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We’re gonna need a bigger box. < / quint>
That was Brody’s line, not Quint’s :)
 
Written By: steverino
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The Nazis burned the Reichstag. Al Quaeda destroyed the WTC. Hitler was a politician and so is Ellison.

I’ll give Islam the respect it gives me and not an iota more.
 
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