War stories: You need to be able to recognize BS (addendum & update) Posted by: McQ
on Thursday, July 19, 2007
One of the things that, for whatever reason, seem to come out of any conflict are BS stories that those with little or no experience in or with the military are prone to believe, a) because they don't know any better and b) because, in some cases, they want too.
Brian Faughnan, of the Weekly Standard, sent an email around highlighting a story in The New Republic, entitled "Shock Troops" which supposedly details true events within the unit in which the author serves. Naturally, the author's name is a pseudonym so he won't get in trouble with his chain-of-command. The stories he relates, however, just don't ring true. Let me share them with you. Story 1:
We were already halfway through our meals when she arrived. After a minute or two of eating in silence, one of my friends stabbed his spoon violently into his pile of mashed potatoes and left it there.
“Man, I can’t eat like this,” he said.
“Like what?” I said. “Chow hall food getting to you?”
“No—with that f*cking freak behind us!” he exclaimed, loud enough for not only her to hear us, but everyone at the surrounding tables. I looked over at the woman, and she was intently staring into each forkful of food before it entered her half-melted mouth.
“Are you kidding? I think she’s f*cking hot!” I blurted out.
“What?” said my friend, half-smiling.
“Yeah man,” I continued. “I love chicks that have been intimate—with IEDs. It really turns me on—melted skin, missing limbs, plastic noses . . . .”
“You’re crazy, man!” my friend said, doubling over with laughter. I took it as my cue to continue.
“In fact, I was thinking of getting some girls together and doing a photo shoot. Maybe for a calendar? ‘IED Babes.’ We could have them pose in thongs and bikinis on top of the hoods of their blown-up vehicles.”
My friend was practically falling out of his chair laughing. The disfigured woman slammed her cup down and ran out of the chow hall, her half-finished tray of food nearly falling to the ground.
My first and only reaction to this was "oh, that's just pure BS".
A) no one would make fun of, say a severely injured or disfigured soldier. So note the fact that it is conveniently a contractor. B) a man in that situation would have probably decked the loud-mouthed provocateur, so the victim is conveniently a female. C) there isn't an officer or NCO worth their salt who would have allowed such an incident to get past the third line before that soldier would have been physically removed from the mess hall.
Or, as one active duty vet commented at Blackfive:
Ridiculing an IED victim in front of them and NOT getting their ass stomped into a mudhole and walked dry immediately? c'mon, not likely.
And an Army officer serving on the FOB in questions reports:
In the 11 months I've been here I've never once seen a female contractor with a burned face. In a compact place like this with only one mess hall I or one of my guys would certainly have noticed someone like that. There are a few female contractors, I think maybe a dozen, but none fit the horrific description given in that article. Further, I've personally seen guys threatened with severe physical harm for making jokes of any kind about IED victims given the number of casualties all the units on this FOB have sustained. It is not a subject we take lightly. Gallows humor jokes do get told, but extremely seldom and never about anyone they actually know or are in the presence of.
Got it? Story one: BS.
Story 2:
About six months into our deployment, we were assigned a new area to patrol, southwest of Baghdad. We spent a few weeks constructing a combat outpost, and, in the process, we did a lot of digging. At first, we found only household objects like silverware and cups. Then we dug deeper and found children’s clothes: sandals, sweatpants, sweaters. Like a strange archeological dig of the recent past, the deeper we went, the more personal the objects we discovered. And, eventually, we reached the bones. All children’s bones: tiny cracked tibias and shoulder blades. We found pieces of hands and fingers. We found skull fragments. No one cared to speculate what, exactly, had happened here, but it was clearly a Saddam-era dumping ground of some sort.
One private, infamous as a joker and troublemaker, found the top part of a human skull, which was almost perfectly preserved. It even had chunks of hair, which were stiff and matted down with dirt. He squealed as he placed it on his head like a crown. It was a perfect fit. As he marched around with the skull on his head, people dropped shovels and sandbags, folding in half with laughter. No one thought to tell him to stop. No one was disgusted. Me included.
The private wore the skull for the rest of the day and night. Even on a mission, he put his helmet over the skull. He observed that he was grateful his hair had just been cut—since it would make it easier to pick out the pieces of rotting flesh that were digging into his head.
Again, you're asked to believe that a bunch of privates or at least low ranking enlisted, are out by themselves without NCO or officer supervision and are allowed to romp through a mass grave and play with the body parts of children. If you believe that, then I can only say you want too. This is pure fantasyland. Most officers and NCOs are family men who have children. Do you suppose they'd sit still for a minute and allow some idiot to prance around with a child's skull on his head?
Same officer from the same FOB where the author is supposedly serving:
Given the friends in the S-2 shop of my battalion and how often I talk to them about what's going on in our AO and AI I can also tell you no reports whatsoever have been sent up - or down from MNCI - about a mass grave of any kind. We find bodies all the time, sure, but graves? None.
Story 2? BS.
Story 3:
I know another private who really only enjoyed driving Bradley Fighting Vehicles because it gave him the opportunity to run things over. He took out curbs, concrete barriers, corners of buildings, stands in the market, and his favorite target: dogs. Occasionally, the brave ones would chase the Bradleys, barking at them like they bark at trash trucks in America—providing him with the perfect opportunity to suddenly swerve and catch a leg or a tail in the vehicle’s tracks. He kept a tally of his kills in a little green notebook that sat on the dashboard of the driver’s hatch. One particular day, he killed three dogs. He slowed the Bradley down to lure the first kill in, and, as the diesel engine grew quieter, the dog walked close enough for him to jerk the machine hard to the right and snag its leg under the tracks. The leg caught, and he dragged the dog for a little while, until it disengaged and lay twitching in the road. A roar of laughter broke out over the radio. Another notch for the book. The second kill was a straight shot: A dog that was lying in the street and bathing in the sun didn’t have enough time to get up and run away from the speeding Bradley. Its front half was completely severed from its rear, which was twitching wildly, and its head was still raised and smiling at the sun as if nothing had happened at all.
Again we have a lower ranking enlisted man who has complete and utter control of his vehicle, driving carelessly on multiple occasions, without any NCO or officer stopping him. In a word, nonsense. Secondly, as Blackfive notes:
Another states that the driver in the article would have been beaten by his own troops for putting them in danger of IEDs.
And, again quoting the officer at FOB Falcon:
The part about running over the dog, in my opinion, is somewhat plausible, but I doubt the PL or CO of that individual would let them do it more than once if they valued the lives of their men at all. The vehicles we drive are all top heavy and violent swerving to hit a dog is not advisable.
And then there's that little problem of the bad guys hiding IEDs in the bodies of dead animals to contend with. Again, troops in combat areas don't screw around with their lives to do dumb-ass things like this and, as the one said, if this idiot had kept it up, his own buddies would have held the equivalent of the old "blanket party" for him to make their point.
Story 3? BS.
Of course if you want to believe them and have no real context or experience with which to sort through this type of nonsense, these just become examples of what you expected in the first place. You probably thought "Platoon" was real too.
This joker who's writing for TNR is writing trash for the crowd that wants this sort of crap to be true. The good news is, this isn't 1969 and he can't throw his garbage out there and expect it to go unchallenged. Another reason why I love the New Media and thank goodness for Milblogs.
Addendum: I was thinking about this as I sweat my rear off mowing the lawn the last couple of hours.
These sorts of stories have been around since armies have existed. But in reality, they're no different from urban legends. For instance the story about the one-armed man with a hook for a hand who killed lovers on lover's lane. As the story goes, a couple heard a noise, immediately started the car and took off. When they stopped, the driver looked up and there hanging on the window was a hook.
When I was younger I heard that very same story about Skyline Drive which was the "lover's lane" in my hometown. It went from a general legend to a specific place. Of coure when challenged the teller said it happened a long time ago, the police had kept it quiet and the people who it happened too had moved away. Funny how that works.
Within the military these stories circulate among a certain type. Usually they're lower level enlisted as well as guys who are in MOSs which don't see much of what really goes on beyond the wire. In VN they were called REMFs. Since there are no real rear areas (except Kuwait, I guess) I'm not sure what these folks are called but let's just leave it at more susceptible to believing fantastic stories like this (mainly because they have no idea how these things would really go down if true). There's also the need among some of them to impress others. And they mistakenly attribute being jaded, cruel and brutal with being brave. Somehow they think that these stories make them look tough and demonstrate how casually they handle the concept of life and death. So they internalize these stories and make them personal. They go from being "Hey, this is no BS, I heard ..." stories to "Hey, this is no BS, I was there ..." stories.
But with most of them, their lack of experience in situations like that and thus their belief that these are plausible stories, have them retell them and, as I've said, make them first person. But usually they tell them among a group just like themselves, who have no more of a real frame of reference than they do, or to civilians who have none. If you think about it that's precisely what Jesse MacBeth did. He was fine as long as he was telling his BS stories to that select group, but when he elevated it to where people who would know better saw his little song and dance, the giant BS flag was hoisted.
I think that's precisely what has happened here. I'm going to be interested to follow this one.
UPDATE: Michael Goldfarb updates the story with reactions and other blogs coving this. Some very good points made on some of the other blogs.
People need to rebut this crap. It’s John Kerry comparing our troops to Ghenghis Khan all over again. No more Winter Soldier lies!
The leftist media are trying to destroy America’s faith in the military just as they did in Vietnam, but fortunately all they’ve done so far this time is destroy American trust in the media, thanks at least partly to the work of blogs in exposing the truth.
What’s more, this kind of garbage usually originates with media that will not show the photos of the Fallujah contractors hanging from the bridge, Daniel Pearl, WTC and 911 photos because is might be prejudicial to the perpetrators. But malign the U.S. military—by all means.
Personally I find the third story even more ridiculous than you make it out to be. As callous and insensitive as you want to imagine our soldiers to be, we’re talking about helpless animals that the vast majority of families in this country keep as pets. One particular driver of a Bradley ? Maybe. One in which the entire crew would take delight in repeatedly killing family pets ? Preposterous.
All you need to know about the plausibility of this story can be found in the reaction people are having to Mike Vick. People love dogs. There is no way in hell that took place. None. Zero.
Which is to say nothing of the liklihood that a Bradley could be more nimble than a dog or sneak up on one sleeping in the road. You would be hardpressed to do that with a car, let alone a very large, very heavy, very loud armored vehicle.
Come on, Glasnost and Erb... Tell us how you knew this sort of thing happened, how this is proof of the eeeeeevils of this country and it’s military...
McQ, why work that hard? Just point out that no specific units were mentioned, no names given, no dates given. This is just rank gossip-mongering, with details thrown in "for vermismilitude" as the old saying goes.
As for REMFs, that may still be in use, but the more common term in Iraq is fobbit, derived from "one who never emerges from their burrow in a forward operating base."
McQ, why work that hard? Just point out that no specific units were mentioned, no names given, no dates given. This is just rank gossip-mongering, with details thrown in "for vermismilitude" as the old saying goes.
Because, as I mentioned, the author is anonymous to us, but TNR knows who he is, who the unit is, etc. So the implication is this is all true ... that’s why.
" Most officers and NCOs are family men who have children. Do you suppose they’d sit still for a minute and allow some idiot to prance around with a child’s skull on his head?"
I know it is an oversight that you didn’t mention that most enlisted, many of whom also have children, also would not put up with that.
Good luck falling down the memory hole, McQ, because that’s exactly where you’re going. The slime is out there for the bottom-feeders of the left, and nothing you say will change the fact that TNR knows - dammit, they’re The New Freakin’ Rebublic, you Jeebus freak homophobe Rethuglikkan! - that our military is composed of BushBot baby-killing Jinjis-Khan bloodthirsty poverty level freaks.
Story 1 - It ain’t a ’chow hall’ in the Army. It’s a D-Fac (dining facility) or for old farts like me a mess hall. Poser.
Story 2 - The word Helmet isn’t used much any more. The common term today is Kevlar. If you have worn one, you know there ain’t nothing fitting on top of your head. The Kevlar has a crown web inside to support and spread the weight of the helmet over your entire head. Anything in it, especially pointy things like teeth, would focus the entire weight onto one point of your cranium. Painful for long time wear. Poser.
Story 3 - You already mentioned the bad guys hiding IEDs in dead animals. How, exactly, does a sleeping dog look different than a dead one? Running over one, stupid, and does not lead to a long life. I have chased coyotes in a Hummer (non-armored) and you ain’t catching one, let alone getting close enough to run one over. Heck, I chased Jackrabbits on a motorcycle and ain’t nobody running one over. Poser.
This is clearly the delirious wetdream of a FOB-dwelling private. A pogue.
"Pogue" is the term for non-combat arms soldiers.
My dad called them REMFs, we call them fobbits: it’s someone who never leaves the wire. We call them FOBs, he called them firebases..... The more things change...
He took out curbs, concrete barriers, corners of buildings, stands in the market, and his favorite target: dogs
Retief concentrates on the dog thing, while completely ignoring that a Bradley would be in extreme danger of throwing a track hitting concrete barriers and buildings. (This is forgetting the fact that, while moving, a Bradley is almost - but not quite - as finely maneuverable as a semi towing a double-wide, swerving to hit dogs is not quite impossible, but the rest of the crew would string you up for trying after they finish cursing from all the bruises.)
Anyone driving a Bradley in that fashion more than once (maybe twice if his NCO thinks the royal a**-chewing he got from the first time straightened him out) would likely be yanked from his seat, given administrative punishment, and spend the rest of his enlistment as an E-2 cracking track before his CO writes the fateful words: Not Recommended for Re-Enlistment in his record and he gets his General Discharge.
F***ing off is one thing, everyone in uniform has some method of f***ing off. F***ing with the equipment you and your buddies depend on to keep you alive while on patrol is something quite different, and it is not even tolerated a little bit.
You can’t be serious. You want to compare a stationary car with a living dog?
Our soldiers, kill poor little doggy? No way
Let’s see...you link to soldiers killing a stray dog that could be used as a booby trap, and soldiers burning a dead dog that could be used to hide an IED. Those bastards!
Also, did you notice that the soldiers didn’t want to get close to the live dogs? Why is that, do you think?
JWG are you asking for more video of soldiers shooting dogs pointlessly? Really? Here you go. Go look at the Iraq page on live leak and you’ll find plenty of shots of soldiers playing with Iraqi dogs too. And plenty of erratic driving.
Brian Epps, if our Bradleys are so delicate that they can’t safely drive over a curb, we really are up a creek.
JWG are you asking for more video of soldiers shooting dogs pointlessly? Really? Here you go.
Pointlessly? Shooting a dog that appears to be a stray in a war zone is pointless? Idiot.
if our Bradleys are so delicate that they can’t safely drive over a curb
Are you trying to act like Erb now? The fact that you substitute a concrete barrier with a curb verifies your stupidity (or maybe I should say "Erbidity").