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Posted by: McQ on Thursday, July 26, 2007

Stancel Spencer has come up with new ways to excuse Hugo Chavez's crack down on free speech. It's always instructive to look at both the excuses and the rhetoric used by those who feel that the "correct" ideology excuses any excesses to include totalitarian oppression. The latest has to do with Chavez's ban on criticism by foreigners:
This is not without reason. Venezuela is an oil-rich nation, a poor nation which elected Chávez three times with three clear electoral landslides. It is a nation, whose President, has been unsuccessfully threatened with coup d’états and with certainty a President that various right-wing politicians or commentators, like U.S. President Bush or Christian fundamentalist Pat Robertson, would rather be forcefully removed from office, or at worst, dead.

So it is not without understanding that foreigners who visit the country with the intention of slandering and bashing the country and government will be deported. This is no loss for democracy, for the people’s right to voice dissent or criticism. This is merely a loss of the “right” for foreign right-wing agents provocateurs to stir up trouble in a country where they are not wanted.
Clearly Mr. Spencer has not bothered to acquaint himself with the details of Chavez's rise and consolidation of power (or if he has he doesn't care) nor with the concept of the right of free speech. Yes there are limits. Incitement to violence isn't acceptable. But that's not where Chavez has drawn the line. In fact he's drawn no line whatsoever deciding any criticism of the regime, not matter how mild or trivial, is grounds for removal.

And of course that's not found in Venezuela's Constitution, nor is it something the legislature passed into law or the courts have upheld. It is a unilateral declaration by Chavez. It is rule by decree. That is what dictators do.

Spencer spends the bulk of his post spinning away the points of a piece by Jan Gould and his claim that shutting down RCTV followed by his latest ban on criticism by foreigners in Venezuela will lead to the suppression of internal dissension next:
Gould’s nonsensical little essay ends with speculation, saying that this means that domestic opponents will soon be targeted. Gould, your lot has been saying that trash for years, and it hasn’t come to pass.
Of course that's not true as the shutting down of RCTV demonstrated (not to mention the overt intimidation of remaining media outlets). It is already underway and Spencer refuses to acknowledge it.

When dictators move, they do so in steps. Close down the press, silence the foreign voices of dissent, then look internally. Who is then left to sound the alarm?

No one.

That's the way dictators like it.

Oh, and speaking of our new title, Mr. Spencer notes that when we took him to task the last time he excused Mr. Chavez's totalitarianism:
It didn’t bother me much. I just yawned and went about my day.
Heh ... well yeah, except this is the second time he's felt it necessary to mention it.
 
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Who is Stancel Spencer?
 
Written By: Moby
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Venezuela is an oil-rich nation, a poor nation which...
It’s always interesting how that works.
...elected Chávez three times with three clear electoral landslides.
If it were true, not a valid argument anyway. Next.
This is no loss for democracy...
Oh. That’s a relief.
 
Written By: CJ
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So Bush can shut down TV stations, and force silence on those not native?

Excellent. Let the glorious New Order begin!
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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"Mr." Stancel Spencer is a 19 year old kid who belongs to the Florida Socialist party and is clearly confused.
 
Written By: Grimshaw
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It’s a joke blog. Gotta be. Nobody is THAT stupid, not even Erb.

 
Written By: shark
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It didn’t bother me much. I just yawned and went about my day.
Did it involve frozen pizza and a fruit crumble?
 
Written By: shark
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"When I was a child I spoke as a child I understood as a child I thought as a child; but when I became a man I put away childish things."

Seems young Mr. Spencer has a stage to go yet.
 
Written By: Jay Evans
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This is one thing that always blows me away about the hard left. Few this piss me off like hearing about the Bush Admin’s violations of civil liberty (something I am actually concerned about) from some f^ckw@d wearing a Che t-shirt.
 
Written By: Tito
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Don’t pick on kids. Some of them are really smart.

It does make one wonder, though, how so many people can be so ignorant of what liberty *is*.

All I can really do is indoctrinate my own little horde so they don’t embarrass themselves like that. (It’s really not hard... my daughter is going to have mandatory "volunteer" work to do this year for school and I didn’t even have to explain the concept.)
 
Written By: Synova
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This is merely a loss of the "right" for foreign right-wing agents provocateurs to stir up trouble in a country where they are not wanted.
Wow - what would this putz say if Bush took that stance?
 
Written By: meagain
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Hi Meagain, want to know what Bush does when he don’t like what people say about the mess in Irak? Go ask the hundreds of reporters that your troops have killed since they stormed the country for oil.
 
Written By: Amaro Magenta
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Hundreds?

Sounds like someone forgot to take the tinfoil hat off.
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Go ask the hundreds of reporters that your troops have killed since they stormed the country for oil.
Only hundreds? That’s not nearly enough! I thought that Bush’s Halliburton Shocktroopers would be much more efficient at rounding up enemies of King George.

Now I am sad. What good are rampaging stormtroopers if they’re sloppy in their work? Maybe Field Marshall Rove can employ a secret division of Jooos on loan from the Zionist entity to beef up the troops and accelerate the killing of reporters and looting of oil.

What do you think Amaro?
 
Written By: shark
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Go ask the hundreds of reporters that your troops have killed since they stormed the country for oil.
And tell them to start sending some of that oil home!
 
Written By: meagain
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Is there some reason that my comments get eaten or is it just that I hit "preview" and then close the window?

Not that what I’d said was terribly clever or anything, just a bit of snark about how at least Chavez doesn’t kill reporters.

(Explaining just how it is that all these reporters get killed in Iraq seems a bit pointless since if someone doesn’t know it’s undoubtedly because they chose not to.)
 
Written By: Synova
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Chavez is a horrible leader and I hope he gets deposed, but I wonder if he might not have taken a less extreme path if we hadn’t tried to organize a coup against him and actively support resistance to his rule. I mean, the approach we took certainly failed, what if we’d been more like Don Corleone, and "reasoned" with him, mixing the threat of opposition with a deal, we won’t oppose him or undercut him, he won’t support extremist anti-American policies (like meeting with Ahmadinejad, etc.). Perhaps we could have "made him an offer he couldn’t refuse." Just speculating.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
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"if we hadn’t tried to organize a coup against him"

Do you happen to have a source for that?

"but I wonder if he might not have taken a less extreme path..."

Of course. Just like that old Agrarian Reformer Mao Tse-Tung, the saintly Vietnamese nationalist and admirer of Thomas Jefferson Ho Chi Minh, and Fidel, who only opposed Batista’s corruption and oppression but was forced by us to become a Communist. For someone who, on another thread, claims to be unable to keep up with domestic US political affairs because they are outside his specialty, you seem to claim to know quite a bit about Venezuelan affairs.
 
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