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Resistance is futile ... (updated)
Posted by: McQ on Friday, August 03, 2007

Rick Moran is in Chicago for Pajama's Media covering the Yearly Kos. His first report is about the opening address Kos made. A couple of things he said caught my eye:
“There is no Jesse Jackson wing of the Democratic party anymore. We are the center,” he said.
Folks, if they're the center, then I pine for the days when the Democrats did have a Jesse Jackson wing of the party.

And:
Kos also scoffed at the online efforts of conservatives to get organized. He noted that the major differences between blogs of the right and blogs of the left is that the left builds communities of like minded activists on their sites, encouraging argument and debate, while most of the top conservative sites believe themselves to be “pundits” who want nothing more than to be accepted by the mainstream media. And he believes that the GOP is “reluctant to embrace the new media” as evidenced by their hand wringing over the YouTube debate.
Why is it the first thing that came to mind was 'the hive', or the collective or the Borg as opposed to individuals on the right?

UPDATE: Ezra Klein relates an interesting happening on a Kos panel called "The Military and Progressives":
AN ODD CLOSE. As the Military and Progressives panel came to an end, a young man in uniform stood up to argue that the surge was working, and cutting down on Iraqi casualties. The moderator largely freaked out. When other members of the panel tried to answer his question, he demanded they "stand down." He demanded the questioner give his name, the name of his commander, and the name of his unit. And then he closed the panel, no answer offered or allowed, and stalked off the stage,

Wes Clark took the mic and tried to explain what had just occurred: The argument appears to be that you're not allowed to participate in politics while wearing a uniform, or at least that you shouldn't, and that the questioner was engaging in a sort of moral blackmail, not to mention a violation of the rules, by doing so. Knowing fairly little about the army, I can't speak to any of that. But it was an uncomfortable few moments, and seemed fairly contrary to the spirit of the panel to roar down the member of the military who tried to speak with a contrary voice.
Clark is correct. The soldier shouldn't have been there in uniform if he planned on participating in political discussions. Out of uniform, fine. In uniform in a public forum is a no-no. However, that point taken, I'm not sure why a) the moderator had any right whatsoever to the name of his commander and his unit (unless he plans or reporting him), and b) why his question didn't deserve an answer once asked and despite the circumstances. My guess is the "freak out" and the "you can't participate in a political discussion in uniform" were used to avoid addressing them.

(HT: Cadillac Tight)

UPDATE II: Some fascinating stuff coming out of YearlyKos ... like the workshop on opposition research in which they talked about most of the front running Republican presidential campaigns. My favorite analysis had to do with John McCain:
What he thinks he has going for him: He is still breathing ...
Heh ... anyway, interesting stuff. Want the oppo gameplan for the Dems? Go. Read.
 
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But it was an uncomfortable few moments, and seemed fairly contrary to the spirit of the panel to roar down the member of the military who tried to speak with a contrary voice
So much for "encouraging argument and debate"...

Color me un-surprised.
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Wait a minute, I’m sure that the moderator was right. Let me check my LN, just give me a moment, let’s see...refusing to ship overseas while in uniform...is...speaking truth to power, and is AOK! Any punishment for this act is unconscionable.

No. That’s not it.

Ummmm, asking...asking...I’ve got it! Asking an uncomfortable question while in uniform on a subject that is assiduously being avoided, at a political gathering is absolutely not to be tolerated. Such individuals should be asked their name, rank and SN in order that they may be reported to military authority for a serious breach of discipline and appropriate punishment is AOK.

Got it?
 
Written By: &amp
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Bet his CO just laughs, and buys him a beer...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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The account doesn’t go into much detail, but does stating a fact ("The surge is working...") constitue engaging in a political discussion? It’s either true or not true; I don’t agree that it is partisan.
 
Written By: the wolf
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let’s see...refusing to ship overseas while in uniform...is...speaking truth to power, and is AOK! Any punishment for this act is unconscionable.
Yep - there you go. Quite simple really.
 
Written By: meagain
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Folks, if they’re the center, then I pine for the days when the Democrats did have a Jesse Jackson wing of the party.
If they are not of the center of the democratic party, then there’s an awful lot of democrats out there cringing in fear, just now. In a way, it’s kind of like looking for moderate Muslims. Neither one is likely to stick his head up, for fear of having it shot off.

Your points, about the soldier, are quite correct. All of them.

Yet, whatever legalities and conventions make it, is there anyone in the room who didn’t know that Wesley Clark was a general? The Kossacks charged the soldier with "being a plant", and "engaging in moral blackmail ". How? Simply by being a soldier? If that’s true, then what of the general? I understand, that there are some different protocols of work, here, but given the circumstances their moral complaint is on very very shaky ground, in my view.
 
Written By: Bithead
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For a second there is sounded as if the moderator was going to take him prisoner...

yours/
peter.
 
Written By: peter jackson
URL: www.liberalcapitalist.com
I disagree with you and Clark. The act of asking a legitimate question in that forum while in uniform is not a "political statement". Neither is prefacing the question with the statement of fact that "the surge appears to be working". Perhaps, mearly attenting the convention in uniform may have been a violation. Clearly, in the minds of the Kos panelists, it is only a violation if you dissagree with their positions.
 
Written By: Lou Bauman
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I live near this place. Only about a half hour away. I should really go watch some of this.
 
Written By: Mark Eichenlaub
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The act of asking a legitimate question in that forum while in uniform is not a "political statement".
It is a political forum and that is not a place to ask questions while in uniform.
 
Written By: McQ
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Did you see the part in the video where Jon Solz told the soldier that if he did not shut up he was going to come down there and ...
 
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