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After all that complaining ...
Posted by: McQ on Sunday, August 05, 2007

The Democratic Congress pretty much passes what they were complaining about:
The Democratic-controlled House last night approved and sent to President Bush for his signature legislation written by his intelligence advisers to enhance their ability to intercept the electronic communications of foreigners without a court order.

The 227 to 183 House vote capped a high-pressure campaign by the White House to change the nation's wiretap law, in which the administration capitalized on Democrats' fears of being branded weak on terrorism and on a general congressional desire to act on the measure before an August recess.

[...]

White House spokesman Tony Fratto emphasized that the bill is not meant to increase eavesdropping on Americans or "to affect in any way the legitimate privacy rights" of U.S. citizens. Data related to Americans in communications with foreigners who are the targets of a U.S. terrorism investigation could be monitored only if intelligence officials have a reasonable expectation of learning information relevant to that probe, a senior U.S. official said.
Well there you go ... obviously all of that whining was simply electioneering by the Dems and they aren't at all averse to executive power or its expansion, are they?

Here's another thing we don't have to hear about again this election season (corruption and earmarks being two others), or, at least, pay attention too.
"There are a lot of people who felt we had to pass something," said one angry Democratic lawmaker who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of caucus discussions. "It was tantamount to being railroaded."
Yeah, cry me a river. They're a bunch of spineless jellyfish who know how to talk the talk but not walk the walk. Am I against warrantless attempts to intercept communication by the bad guys. Not necessarily. What I am tired of, however, is making a political mountain out of something and then backtracking like this when the complainers realize they were full of it to begin with.

And then they whine about being "railroaded". Amazing. He's trying to say that this Congress has such a 'do-nothing' reputation the they felt compelled to pass something, anything, so they could shed that moniker, even if the something they passed went against their previous stand on the issue.
 
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Watch very closely and you may notice that the democrats will list that bill on their list of accomplishments. After all the complaints, that seems a little disingenuous, but there it is; they’re desperate to avoid the "do nothing" moniker.
 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
I think the intemperate character of political discourse when divorced as much from actions as it has been is worse than spinelessness. The level of cynicism and dissatisfaction with government is reaching a dangerous level and neither the heat nor the gulf between word and deed do much to improve the situation.
 
Written By: Dave Schuler
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Am I against warrantless attempts to intercept communication by the bad guys.
Kudos on being the macaca that most consistently misses the point. When President Clinton has the authority to spy on GOP operatives (which she will, as long as the procedures used for targeting people aren’t "frivolous," an extremely low threshold), I look forward to reading your condemnations of unchecked executive power.

 
Written By: jpe
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Is it any wonder that the Dem congress has a massively lower approval rating than Bush?

And even worse for them....the Dems HATE this Dem congress, precisely for things like this. They riled up the liberal sheep on all sorts of things, and they’re backtracking on almost all of them.

GOP retakes at least 1 chamber next election
 
Written By: shark
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Kudos on being the macaca that most consistently misses the point. When President Clinton has the authority to spy on GOP operatives (which she will, as long as the procedures used for targeting people aren’t "frivolous," an extremely low threshold), I look forward to reading your condemnations of unchecked executive power.
Wow ... no stretch here, eh?

And speaking of missing points, you are at least consistent in that respect, jpe.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
I’d save given the difficulty the Democrats had doing this, there were many members who agreed with the Bush administration and disagreed with those in the party who were making this an issue. The Democrats have never been especially organized and have always been divided on major policy issues.

So much of the debate has become shrill partisanship or personal attacks. That hides that the big money behind politics is equally happy with Hillary or Bush, as long as they have their influence. The public is mostly dissatisfied, people usually hate talking politics because of the uncivil nature of so much of the discourse. It’s time for a strong independent or third party. Either that or a candidate that can actually rise above the petty partisanship and inspire people. Because Americans are not as divided as the political discourse/
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
A handy guide to those who voted "yes" and their home pages:

http://pruningshears.squarespace.com/pruning-shears/2007/8/5/house-fisa-yes-votes.html
 
Written By: Dan
URL: http://pruningshears.squarespace.com
Because Americans are not as divided as the political discourse
Wanna bet?
 
Written By: shark
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Because Americans are not as divided as the political discourse
Wanna bet?

I think both statements are true....No, the public is not as riven as the political junkies. The avergae public or the average voter, doesn’t get as passionate as Billy Beck or the Kossacs about the issues of the day. I think that is obvious and good, unless you want the US to look like Lebanon.

BUT, neither is there this great middle ground of consensus, either. Most folks know what is "right". It might be that abortion is right or that opposition to abortion is right, but there are broad camps of thought. Since the 1970’s the Keynesian, Tax n’ Spend policies that were the governmental paradigm from 1932 have been under increasing pressure, philosophical and political.

There is a struggle under way for America’ "soul." I think that’s what makes the junkies so rabid, we-I place myself in the junkie category-can see victory ahead, or defeat looming and we are attempting to bring about the paradigm shift we envision.

Bottom-line: No most people aren’t as fired up about Bush*tler or PAYGO as the partsisans, BUT there is a division between broadly Right and braodly Left camps and it is a real division.
 
Written By: Joe
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Well, that was fun...couldn’t tell if I been banned or what the offensive word was...Who knew that "Bush*tler" was going to be read the same as "Sh*t?"? Took my elementary "scientific method" and multiple posts to discover the problem. Sorry for any annoyance, not too sorry as the word filters are screwy, but they are what they are...
 
Written By: Joe
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Joe, when will you learn that it’s not Bush*tler, it’s Bushnazi!
 
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