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Well, you’re forgetting that this really is a non-story for most of the country. If I wasn’t reading Q&O I’d not have even heard of this, nor of Beauchamps claims as a "Bagdhad Diarist." This is a big story for .01% of the population. But I admit, it does raise the question of how left leaning media types are quick to discredit the military and believe negative things about what the military does. This is a very real issue raised by this case, and it deserves to be considered. |
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"Well, you’re forgetting that this really is a non-story for most of the country." Well, Scotti, it’s a story for all TNR’s readers.
Unless, of course, they’re catatonic skeptics. Like you.
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Cole’s (et.al.) progression:
Humm, minor media reports of troop transgressions - plausible, and besides, it fits our narrative.
Milbloggers question story’s veracity.
look at those idout wingnuts spouting off, seems they can’t accept our inherently barbaric troops.
Milbloggers provide compelling anecdotal testimony.
Damn, seems they might be right... better modify that narrative.
milbloggers force real factchecking
Fu_k, seems those BushlovingNaziabidingSchivoprotecting wingnuts were right all along... let’s pretend it did not happen.
Beauchamp retracts stories
Chirp
And then we have Erb: you’re forgetting that this really is a non-story for most of the country... This is a very real issue raised by this case, and it deserves to be considered.
Tell us Scott, what do you think that issue is? And as implied by your comment, are you willing to join us in taking on the unending leftist bias of the media to slander the military? |
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No, it’s a non-issue to those who want to believe the military is filled with nothing but brutal monsters.
Apparently like you, you worthless pile of crap. |
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Scott Jacobs
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left leaning media types are quick to discredit the military and believe negative things about what the military does Should I provide all the quotes from Erb to demonstrate how he must be a "left leaning media type"? |
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If I wasn’t reading Q&O I’d not have even heard of this New York Times
New York Post
Washington Post
USA Today
ABC News
CBS News
Indianapolis Star (my newspaper)
Houston Chronicle
Kansas City Star
Yahoo! News
U.S. News & World Report
Shut up, Erb. |
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I did a google news search and found mentions only after the Weekly Standard made it an issue, and even then it’s minor articles. I read The Financial Times and The Economist (sometimes Time), and if I watch the news, it’s only a few minutes at a time and on CNN. This story seems to be rather fringe. |
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Scott Erb
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Well, you’re forgetting that this really is a non-story for most of the country Nestled within the archives of Q&O, is a comment I posted in just the last few months, responding to Erb, wherein I mentioned that it was a typical ploy for him, once caught in something he would have liked to continue to argue against but that he could no longer deny, to say that "it doesn’t matter".
We would appear to have arrived at that stage again. Funny, how these themes keep reappearing, in light of the loud denials I was given the last time I pointed this out.
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Hey, Erb, since you seem to need the help:
The New York Times: Army Says Soldier’s Articles for Magazine Were False.
An Army investigation into the Baghdad Diarist, a soldier in Iraq who wrote anonymous columns for The New Republic, has concluded that the sometimes shockingly cruel reports were false.
“We are not going into the details of the investigation,” Maj. Steven F. Lamb, deputy public affairs officer in Baghdad, wrote in an e-mail message. “The allegations are false, his platoon and company were interviewed, and no one could substantiate the claims he made.” The Washington Post: Army Concludes Baghdad Diarist Accounts Untrue.
Army investigators have concluded that the private whose dispatches for the New Republic accused his fellow soldiers of petty cruelties in Iraq was not telling the truth.
The finding, disclosed yesterday, came days after the Washington-based magazine announced that it had corroborated the claims of the private, Scott Thomas Beauchamp, except for one significant error.
“An investigation has been completed and the allegations made by Pvt. Beauchamp were found to be false,” an Army statement said. “His platoon and company were interviewed and no one could substantiate the claims.”
But New Republic Editor Franklin Foer is standing his ground. “We’ve talked to military personnel directly involved in the events that Scott Thomas Beauchamp described, and they corroborated his account,” Foer said. The magazine granted anonymity to the other soldiers it cited. Keeping in mind that these two are quite possibly the most liberal newspapers in the country, let’s not have any discussions about whether not the source was biased. They are, but not in the way that you would like to admit.
Any further denials? |
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Bithead
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LA LA LA, we are not listening, LA LA LA LA, we can’t hear you, LA LA LA, this isn’t a story...
(Can we officially now say the Erb’s credibility is destroyed?) |
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Bithead, I already posted that I accepted the army statement that the allegations made by Beauchamp were fabrications. |
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Scott Erb
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Somehow.... I rather have the ID a huge twist that. You did.
How can you identify the story is being fringe, given the number of references that you’ve been pointed to, including the coverage in the major sources that I just posted? Another typical ploy... twist the meaning of those arguing against you.
Erb, time to admit it; The story is hardly fringe. And it’s hardly inconsequential.
Leave it to you to deny the obvious.
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Bithead
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I like how in the other thread Erb missed the paralelle I made, and attacks MY honor.
Erb called me a liar. Does that make me, like, the GOD of liars? |
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I knew that the left would do a much better job on BeauchampGate than they did on RatherGate. Note the skilled intimation and spin in this Talking Points Memo
offering:“Maybe Beauchamp was always a teller of tales. He wouldn’t be the first nor even the first to have wormed his way into the pages of The New Republic. But it’s hard not to have some suspicion that the Army has put itself in charge of investigating charges which, if true, would be deeply embarrassing to the Army; that it has provided itself a full exoneration through an investigation, the details of which it will not divulge; and it has chosen to use as its exclusive conduit for disseminating information about the case, The Weekly Standard, a publication which can at best be described as a charged partisan in the public controversy about the case.” |
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But it’s hard not to have some suspicion that the Army has put itself in charge of investigating charges which, if true, would be deeply embarrassing to the Army; that it has provided itself a full exoneration through an investigation, the details of which it will not divulge Yeah, how dare the Army take charge of an investigation into Army matters...
Those bastards... |
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I did a google news search and found mentions only after the Weekly Standard made it an issue They made it an issue as soon as the diary was published. EVERY news article falls within your definition.
Face it...you got burned again. Just because you fail to notice MULTIPLE stories in two of the biggest newspapers in less than a week after the original publication doesn’t mean everyone is blind to the real world.
Just shut up already. |
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Perhaps Beauchamp and Foer should be doing something like this. |
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What is the phrase?
"Nothing to see here, folks, move along now"? |
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would be deeply embarrassing to the Army wtf?
So, it’s the Army’s fault that Beaudork might have been in insensitive p*ick and mocked a disfigured woman?
It’s the Army’s fault that some dork allegedly wore a child’s skull around on his head all day?
It’s the Army’s fault that some s*itbird thinks it’s funny to run over dogs in his track?
Good lord, the only people who ought to be truly embarassed by any of this are Beauchamp and the figmentary guys he invented. All he proved was that he’s an A****hole (note, that’s a four STAR as*hole there).
But then I know plenty of current and veteran Army folks, so, maybe I’d be hard pressed to buy into the theory that the Army creates four star a*sholes like Beauchamp from ’decent’ humans in the first place.
Beauchamp only demonstrated what a weak sister he thinks he is deep down inside if he’d let himself be transformed from a decent guy to the four star a****hole he describes himself to be as a result of his ’war’ experiences. |
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"The Weekly Standard, a publication which can at best be described as a charged partisan in the public controversy about the case."
Thank God for Talking Points Memo which is strictly non-partisan to explain that to me! |
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Thank God for Talking Points Memo which is strictly non-partisan to explain that to me! Not to mention the completely non-partisan New Republic. |
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I’m sure Foer will land at CBS or the NYT... |
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Likely, so will Beauchamp. |
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Well, the AP finally weighs in on the Beauchamp story and I have to say that they do a fine job of reporting on this one IMHO. No doubt due to the good work done on blogs like QandO. Overall, a good end to what might have been another example of leftist propaganda poisoning our discourse. |
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Interesting, &, that you raise precisely the same scenario as I laid out at my place a couple of days ago, as an argument for why a blog swarm on this kind of thing was a positive happening. |
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Bithead
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"But it’s hard not to have some suspicion that the Army has put itself in charge of investigating charges which, if true, would be deeply embarrassing to the Army; that it has provided itself a full exoneration through an investigation, the details of which it will not divulge; and it has chosen to use as its exclusive conduit for disseminating information about the case,"
Hey if Congress can do it why not the Army.
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