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TNR Speaks ... again ... on a Friday afternoon
Posted by: McQ on Friday, August 10, 2007

I question the timing [/sarcasm]

After a long and boring "we stand by our man", duress, stonewalling, yatta yatta statement they get to the part with which I can actually agree:
We once again invite the Army to make public Beauchamp's statements and the details of its investigation—and we ask the Army to let us (or any other media outlet, for that matter) speak to Beauchamp. Unless and until these things happen, we cannot fairly assess any of these reports about Beauchamp—and therefore have no reason to change our own assessment of Beauchamp's work. If the truth ends up reflecting poorly on our judgment, we will accept responsibility for that. But we also refuse to rush to judgment on our writer or ourselves.
Fair enough ... the ball, as they say, is now in the Army's court.

 
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Fair enough ... the ball, as they say, is now in the Army’s court.
Yes, but won’t that ball be up in the air awhile? The Army legal beagles can’t say anything until the process winds to a close, if I understand correctly. That means we don’t hear the details until such time as they decide whether to charge him with anything, then have the entire process play out.

Surely TNR knows this. So it’s more than a little disingenuous to make the challenge as if the Army’s silence strengthens their case.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
URL: http://
That means we don’t hear the details until such time as they decide whether to charge him with anything, then have the entire process play out.
Not necessarily. They could issue of a summary of findings presented in a very general way. My guess is that any punishment that comes out of this will be non-judicial anyway, and if so, has probably already been carried out.

So while I think TNR is full of beans, I also think the Army needs to issue something more than a press release claiming all of his "allegations" are false.

And while TNR probably does know how slowly the Army’s wheels grind in this type of a case, their silence leaves reasonable doubt and TNR knows that as well.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Just as soon as TNR names their sources...

I won’t hold my breath
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
URL: http://
yatta yatta statement...
I beleieve the correct spelling is "yadda yadda"
 
Written By: mw
URL: http://westanddivided.blogspot.com/
I beleieve the correct spelling is "yadda yadda"
You’re kidding right?

yatta, yatta ... etc.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
"and we ask the Army to let us (or any other media outlet, for that matter) speak to Beauchamp."

About what? They have not communicated with him before now? What new information do they need, since they have already corroborated and checked his story?
 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
About what? They have not communicated with him before now? What new information do they need, since they have already corroborated and checked his story?
I suppose they might be hoping for the details of how the Army coerced him to repudiate his claims in those TNR stories.

But, seriously, here’s the real question. What’s to prevent Beauchamp from claiming exactly that when he gets out? He seems to be a serial prevaricator, especially if it furthers his "littrary careah". Don’t you know the left would just eat it up if he made claims of coercion? And wouldn’t they then consider his whole set of stories as true, but "suppressed"?

Given the nonsense that comes out of these people ("Fire can’t melt steel!"), that strikes me easily digestible by the conspirazoids.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
URL: http://
I disagree that the ball is in the army’s court.

What happened to innocent until proven guilty.

In this case the army being the innocent party.

TNR hasnt provided one shred of proof other than Beauchamp’s allegations. None. They have said things are possible but it is possible to send a man to the moon that doesnt mean that the Army did it.

TNR should provide whatever evidence they have that the allegations that Beauchamp claim happened happened. Otherwise they should STFU and say they have no proof of the allegations.

The army isnt obliged to release anything of it findings on an internal matter unless directed to by someone above them.

Once again we have "the story is accurate prove us wrong" rathergate mime. When has that become the standard for reporting NEWS? Oh yeah when Bush took office.


 
Written By: retired military
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"In this case the army being the innocent party."

Oh you silly thing. How could the army possibly be an innocent party? Their sole purpose in life is to kill people, for heaven’s sake! Anyone who does that is obviously evil and guilty of something!
 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
You’re kidding right?

yatta, yatta ... etc.
I’m pretty sure it’s "yadda"

This is "yatta"...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
URL: http://
Right wing Powerline blog posts on the ship of fools that the liberal publishing establishment has become:
”TNR’s motivations in the continuing disgrace it has wrought in the Beauchamp affair are political rather than commercial. Indeed, the affair illustrates the power of ideology as a source of intellectual corruption rivaling that of money.”


I (of course) agree with Instapundit:
”It’s all about the narrative."
 
Written By: &amp
URL: http://
I am not a lawyer. How much can the Army release of their findings?

I am going to guess TNR and STB are both playing a game where they know that it will take months to get anything released OR the report can’t be released for some reason...again I am not a lawyer, but if Kerry could keep his records secret for decades, why can’t STB?
 
Written By: Harun
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"The army isnt obliged to release anything of it findings on an internal matter unless directed to by someone above them."

Exactly what STB and TNR are betting on...
 
Written By: Harun
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I am not a lawyer. How much can the Army release of their findings?
They can release a summary of their findings which doesn’t violate privacy regulations.

Retired Military:
I disagree that the ball is in the army’s court.
I certainly have sympathy for your point, however, TNR has wiggle room as long as they don’t publish their findings in some manner or other (you’ve seen the "Beauchamp is cut off from the outside world" stuff). At this point we have two organizations saying they’ve investigated and come up with opposite findings. Nothing is settled. TNR isn’t going to publish anything unless they’re forced too. I’d like to see it settled and the only way that is going to happen is if the Army publishes something. Then TNR has to reveal its sources and what they said or suck it up.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Given the liberal bias exposed in the Beauchamp debacle, why is this report not a surprise?
”...a British mathematician discovered serious flaws in papers used and cited by the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in its most recent Assessment Report....as errors in data collection and dissemination - be they innocent or intentional - continue to surface in reports crucial to the opinion of the IPCC and global warming alarmists around the world, it seems reasonable to conclude that not only isn’t the debate over as folks like soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore continually avow, it has only just begun.”
 
Written By: notherbob2
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Army Speaks:
His commands investigation is complete. At this time, there is no formal what we call Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) actions being taken. However, there are other Administrative actions or what we call Non-Judicial Punishment that can be taken if the command deems appropriate. These are again administrative in nature and as such are not releasable to the public by law.

We are not stonewalling anyone. There are official statements that are out there are on the record from several of us and nothing has changed.

We are not preventing him from speaking to TNR or anyone. He has full access to the Morale Welfare and Recreation phones that all the other members of the unit are free to use. It is my understanding that he has been informed of the requests to speak to various members of the media, both traditional and non-traditional and has declined. That is his right.

We will not nor can we force a Soldier to talk to the media or his family or anyone really for that matter in these types of issues.

We fully understand the issues on this. What everyone must understand is that we will not breach the rights of the Soldier and this is where this is at this point.
Via Weekly Standard

 
Written By: Brian Epps
URL: http://randomnumbers.us
Of course, Beauchamp has been contacted by lefties and they are coordinating his responses (or non-responses) so that the Narrative will not be harmed. Not "conspiracy", just sophistication (after RatherGate, where the left dropped the ball).

Truth is the first victim in a stand-off like this. We all know that the meaningful truth of this whole matter was spoken in the Krauthammer article.

I don’t know that the rest of the kabuki means anything. Certainly nothing meaningful will result from the denoument of this confrontation - the left will see to that in their damage control efforts.
 
Written By: &amp
URL: http://
Sometimes, a man’s gotta know when to STFU, and it looks like Pvt Beauchamp has recognized a fine opportunity to do so. He can’t really help himself here by talking about it further.

But when TNR says they can’t talk to him, is his wife included in that "we"? And is that "let us talk to him" or "make him talk to us"?

 
Written By: Pablo
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I have posted that the blogosphere ought to "stick it with a fork", but this continued BS from TNR indicates that they ought to be hounded to death on this matter.
 
Written By: Neo
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