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Romney’s sons and the military
Posted by: mcq on Wednesday, August 15, 2007

This has got to rank right up there with the absurd "chickenhawk" meme.

Apparently, among the brain dead and the news media (but I repeat myself) there's a problem with the fact that Mitt Romney's adult sons didn't choose to join the military just because dear old Dad feels the war in Iraq is justified.

Maybe it's just me, but I've never thought my beliefs or support for something obligated my son in any way.

Am I missing something here? Is that only true for those who have the same ideological beliefs as you do? Did I miss the memo?

Why this is getting any media play at all is simply amazing. For instance, this whack-job:
Politicians should try to envision whether they believe in a war enough that they would send their own children, said Nancy Lessin, co-founder of Military Families Speak Out, an antiwar group made up of more than 3,600 military families.

“If this war is so important, why is it O.K. for you to support our loved ones fighting it but not send your own sons?” said Ms. Lessin, whose stepson joined the Marines after college and went to Iraq.
Because a) you can't "send" your sons, they must volunteer, and b)the military requires adults sign up and thus parents have no say over what their adult sons decide to do or not do.

Next time this happens ...
Fair or not, it is likely that the issue will continue to dog Mr. Romney. He got the question again later in the week at the Iowa State Fair, this time from a man holding a photograph of his son in a soldier’s uniform.

“None of your sons are in the military?” the man asked.

Mr. Romney said they were not.

“Are they going to go over to Iraq?” the man asked.

“No, they are not,” Mr. Romney said.

“Who is going to do his job?” the man said.

“We have a volunteer army,” Mr. Romney said. “That’s the reason.”
... he needs to ask the questioner why he "sent his son" to the military. And when the questioner answers, "I didn't send him, he volunteered", all that's required of Romney is a smile and the word "exactly". It'll probably be completely lost on the questioner, but then anyone who would pursue this blatantly mindless line isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer anyway.
 
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Politicians should try to envision whether they believe in higher taxes enough that they would voluntarily pay more than thay’re obligated to, said Nancy Lessin, co-founder of Overburdned Tax Families Speak Out, an antitax group made up of more than 3,600 families.

"If higher taxes are so important, why is it O.K. for you to support others paying it but not send your own money?" said Ms. Lessin, whose stepson pays through the nose.
There....that’s better
 
Written By: shark
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I heard this as well, and hear it too often from liberal pundits, and it’s just wrong, wrong, wrong.

I heard someone repeating this meme to me recently and asked them if the actions or inaction of a person’s children or even their own military should preclude them from holding certain opinions.

It’s one of those... oh, when you put it that way.... things.

I can’t deny that I get frustrated when people who have never served are cavalier (in my opinion) with the lives of soldiers, but really, it makes no difference whether they served or not, if they are cavalier (in my opinion) with the lives of soldiers it’s wrong. Audie friggin Murphy could be running this war and I would still think it was a mistake.

Cap
 
Written By: Captin Sarcastic
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My question to them...

I know for a fact that there are children of antiwar liberals who join the military. Does that mean those antiwar liberals now must support the war - regardless of what they say publicly? Just wondered...
 
Written By: Teresa
URL: http://technicalities.mu.nu
Imagine if the questioner’s query had resulted in an affirmative answer. We’d see stories such as these ...

"Mitt Romney ordered his son to enlist in the military and volunteer to serve in Iraq to further the Republican’s presidential ambitions, the son said today.

"Josh Romney, a private serving with the 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division, said he would have preferred to have remained a civilian, but his father forced him to go to war ’so he wouldn’t have to answer questions about why his sons weren’t serving.’"

"Josh Romney said he agreed to enlist only after being assured that his father would withdraw his threat of disinheriting him and on the promise of a White House position upon the younger Romney’s return from Iraq."
 
Written By: DIffus
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Am I missing something here?
Yes, and in the very article you quoted:

But an awkward response last week in Iowa, in which Mr. Romney said in part that “one of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping to get me elected,

The full quote is here :
My sons are all adults and they’ve made decisions about their careers and they’ve chosen not to serve in the military and active duty and I respect their decision in that regard."
He added: "One of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I’d be a great president."
Essentially, Mitt equated his kids trouping around Iowa in a van to fighting in Iraq. A lot of people ought to have problems with that, including you. But only Democrats insult the military, right?

Before you answer, ask yourself, "If Howard Dean said, "My kids aren’t fighting in Iraq, but they’re fighting for the country by helping me get elected", what would you say?

You’d nail holes in his a**.

It makes my stomach hurt.


 
Written By: glasnost
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Before you answer, ask yourself, "If Howard Dean said, "My kids aren’t fighting in Iraq, but they’re fighting for the country by helping me get elected", what would you say?
Well a) I wouldn’t have asked Dean such a dumb-a**ed question to begin with, because b) he has no control or say as to what his adult "children" decide to do with their lives. So I reject your premise and attempted justification for this stupidity completely.
 
Written By: McQ
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glasnost is correct, though, in noting that you were in fact missing something... and that thing was Romney’s ridiculous statement. The reason this has been in the news this week is that Romney said something very stupid - something he has since retracted, or apologized for, or "clarified", I forget which. But as glasnost has pointed out, anybody on the Left would be getting their share of grief if they had said the same asinine thing that Romney did. And rightly so.

Bruce, aside from that one bit that your post was missing, you are completely correct.
 
Written By: Wulf
URL: http://www.atlasblogged.com
Glasnost stupidly wrote:
Essentially, Mitt equated his kids trouping around Iowa in a van to fighting in Iraq. A lot of people ought to have problems with that, including you. But only Democrats insult the military, right?
And Wulf magnified the stupidity by writing:
glasnost is correct, though, in noting that you were in fact missing something... and that thing was Romney’s ridiculous statement.
To disparage participation in domestic politics as being of less nobility or worth than serving in the armed forces is to come perilously close to adopting the most over-the-top aspect of the though experiment Heinlein hoped to lead us through in Starship Troopers—that none should vote unless they were ex-military (Federal Service Veterans, but anyway)—which most leftards call fascism.

And the left certainly has no respect for the opinions of military personnel when they are predisposed to diagree with said servicemen—a la Soltz vs Aguina—then they don’t want to hear from servicemen anyway.

On which of these two of the left’s powerful petards of hypocrisy do you gentleman wish to hoist yourselves?

That military service is more honorable than domestic politics—when none believe you when you imply it by statements such as glasnost’s and wulf’s.

Or that military servicemen should not participate in politics, unless they agree with you?

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
URL: http://tomdperkins.blogspot.com/
Tom,

Its more in the realm that its a bit gauche to compare any civilian job to being in Iraq a soldier, even if the civilian job is really, really important, there are not many IEDs on the way to campaign headquarters.
 
Written By: Harun
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Perkins, you have grossly misrepresented what I’ve said. I will assume it is out of ignorance, and not out of malice, but either way the straw man needs to come down off the petard you’ve run to so quickly.

I have no problem with Romney’s sons eschewing military service. I also have no problem with them working on their father’s campaign. I don’t see why they should be particularly honored for that effort, but I certainly have no problem with it, and I never said or implied otherwise.

I only noted that McQ was, in fact, leaving out part of the reason Romney and his sons’ lack of military service have been getting extra media play this week. It is incredible to watch you try to twist that into me somehow asserting some hypocrisy or another. Please refrain from such ignorant attacks in the future. It would start with reading for comprehension and not putting words in the mouths (or fingers) of others.

Good day.
 
Written By: Wulf
URL: http://www.atlasblogged.com
Harun wrote:
Its more in the realm that its a bit gauche to compare any civilian job to being in Iraq a soldier, even if the civilian job is really, really important, there are not many IEDs on the way to campaign headquarters.
Wulf BS’ed a pile too.
Perkins, you have grossly misrepresented what I’ve said.
No I didn’t.

You wrote:
And rightly so.
You were endorsing what glassie said.

You and glassie were retreading the chickenhawk meme no matter how you look at it, and it’s a steaming pile of it then and now fellas.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
URL: http://tomdperkins.blogspot.com/
That military service is more honorable than domestic politics—

Why don’t you ask a soldier whether they think the above is true?

Neither Romney or I make the memes, we just live in them. And any politician who conflates helping their dad get elected to military service is in for ridicule. Hey, I like Romney... better than Guliani, Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo... but these are the facts of life. Get over it.

My opinion on the question is moot - we’re asking the question - is Mitt Romney getting pummeled just because the media hates him, or because he made a standard issue dumb statement? Answer: #2.
 
Written By: glasnost
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You were endorsing what glassie said.

Yes, when he said that Howard Dean would have been given grief for saying the same thing. I don’t know how you could even suggest he wouldn’t have.


You and glassie were retreading the chickenhawk meme no matter how you look at it, and it’s a steaming pile of it then and now fellas.

Again, read for comprehension, because I have never endorsed that meme. I don’t hold it against you that you have failed to recognize my position, but I do resent your insistence that you know my position better than I. You have misrepresented me. Please stop.
 
Written By: Wulf
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