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You really have to wonder where this woman has been
Posted by: McQ on Sunday, August 26, 2007

I'm talking about Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) and her recent trip to Iraq.
But the real test came over a lunch with Gen. David H. Petraeus, who used charts and a laser pointer to show how security conditions were gradually improving — evidence, he argued, that the troop increase is doing some good.

Still, the U.S. commander cautioned, it could take another decade before real stability is at hand. Schakowsky gasped. "I come from an environment where people talk nine to 10 months," she said, referring to the time frame for withdrawal that many Democrats are advocating. "And there he was, talking nine to 10 years."
He's been talking 9 to 10 years for quite some time. So have many people. This isn't a crisis that is going to solve itself by September or election day. This is a long term project, just like Germany and Japan were. And I find it difficult to believe that this Representative is just now finding this out, or perhaps coming to understand that.
At times that proved a challenge, as when Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih told her congressional delegation, "There's not going to be political reconciliation by this September; there's not going to be political reconciliation by next September." Schakowsky gulped — wasn't that the whole idea of President Bush's troop increase, to buy time for that political progress?
Yes, but then the political process has to work. The whole point of the surge is to create the security atmosphere where that process can begin to function properly and to train the ISF to keep it that way. That's why it is important to understand the progress that's been made in Anbar where the security atmosphere has been created and maintained long enough to let the political process begin to function and improve life for Iraqis there. And lo and behold it has.

But my guess is she'll never make that sort of connection.
 
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I realize that most politicians, thru US History/herstory have been either generally shallow or mostly shallow, with an expertise in their area of interest, but it just seems like they are ever more so these days...

"I’m not famaliar with the Cuban healthcare system. Is it government-run?"

Is their WHOLE life taken up by polling and speechify’n, either to raise money or to wow us on the Floor? Does NO ONE, in Congress or outside of Congress, read or think any more?

Jesus Wept.......
 
Written By: Joe
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Gasp...I wonder if she’s aware that the Bosnia thing took about 10 years and that was a relatively peaceful deployment for us.
 
Written By: Bob
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Bosnia, is that near my district?
 
Written By: Joe
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How about at least 2 peaceful transfers of power, including a change of leading party, before we declare victory? I think 10-12 years isn’t too long for that to come about. In fact, it may be a bit short.
 
Written By: Random Numbers
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Trackbacked by The Thunder Run - Web Reconnaissance for 08/26/2007
A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention updated throughout the day…so check back often. This is a weekend edition so updates are as time and family permits.
 
Written By: David M
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>>Bosnia, is that near my district?

Damn, that was funny.
 
Written By: frendlydude2k
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Yeah, it is kind of ironic, the people who thought this was a bad idea, thought so in part because of the Quagmire scenario that Dick Cheney explained in 1992, 1994, and 1996. What American would have thought it was a good idea to occupy a country for 15 years with only the assurance of body bags, and no assurance that whatever stable nation emerged from the ashes would even be a force for stability in the region and an ally of the United States.

While the proponents of this adventure steadfastly avoided any discussion of what was going to happen after military victory over the conventional forces, opting instead to focus only on that conventional military aspect using terms like "cakewalk", "six days, six weeks, I doubt six months".

And now the folks who talked of Cakewalks act apoplectic that everyone doesn’t realize that this was always going to be a decade plus engagement.

And the folks who were against it because they supposedly knew it would be a decade or longer occupation are aghast because it won’t be be over in a matter of months.

Where’s that irony meter.

Cap
 
Written By: Captin Sarcastic
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The only good news about the Middle East is that the United States has an army there. And now that it’s there, we should keep it there, for as long as it takes. We should keep it there because the opportunity came to get it there, to get it engaged, and to get it learning and adapting, and we took that opportunity.

That was half the problem, gettin in there with that force, with that level of commitment, in the thick of it.

The problems of the Middle East will not go away if we go away. They’ll get worse, and we’ll be left with very few options, all one of them far worse then continuing our engagement there.

There were good reasons why we wanted unconditional surrender from the Nazis and the Japanese militarist, and why we stayed on for decades in both cases to make sure there was no reversion (before the purpose shifted more in the direction of Cold War trilateralism).

The reasons for staying in the Middle East are as good or better. We’re not talking about a 12-month, presidential election cycle issue. We’re talking about the next 50 years of national and international security.

We need to get the Howard Deanification monkey off the back of the Democratic Party, and make this into a bipartisan foreign policy, and be prepared to do what’s necessary to accomplish a whole series of goals.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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I have lived ten years in the Middle East [Egypt, Saudi, Lebanon], visited all the countries in the Arab League save Libya and Djibouti, & read/speak Arabic [3+,4] having learned it in the Foreign Service Institute.

It never ceases to amaze me how the shallow vapid vacuous lefties who confuse wishes for wants and wants for necessities have traits that resemble the Arab mind so closely they could be kissing cousins—-which in the Arab world means MARRIED!!! The Dhimmi-crats cut slack for Islamists who reflect the hatred in the MSM for winners and America’s success across the board [25+% GDP of THE ENTIRE WORLD].

Last night I had a perfesser for "Conflict Resolution" through the use of group dynamic theory over for dinner. In the end, he was smart enough to admit that most problems are near intractable. But I still think reading Toynbee & Spengler beats psychology & sociology classes on group dynamic conflict resolution when it comes to strategic judgments.

Most of the people around the table were polite and sophisticated liberals, not ultra-lefties. But the irreducible core of the left subsists on the large segment of loooozers & angry academics/know-better "helping-profession enablers" who want to reduce this country to a high-taxed soup of mediocrity [Canadian style]. The Arabs are already totally mediocre [and believe me I know]. Hence, the Dems/loons unwittingly want us to become Arabs!!! And they ask us to therefore not knock the CA-RAAAAZY Islamists who want to forcibly convert us to Islam and make our women into SLAVES. Are there any smart women on the left who have put two and two together?

 
Written By: daveinboca
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"where has this woman been"?

She’s been sitting there in DC listening to the "leaders" of her party telling her what is going on and what to think about it. Why do anything like actual...(shhhh whisper it...) work? Plus you can bet she has the complete backing of her party leaders because they already know she’ll never vote against them when all they have to do is tell her which vote to mark. Thinking is hard.

She figured if she read the party memos that’s all she needs to know on a subject. Sad for her constituents who elected such a dimwit. Sad for those who have to take time to tell her what’s really going on once she sets foot outside of DC. *sigh*

 
Written By: Teresa
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This is a long term project, just like Germany and Japan were.
Could we please just make this the new Godwin? Iraq isn’t anything like Germany and Japan.
 
Written By: Oliver Willis
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Sorry, OW, if facts get in the way.
 
Written By: SDN
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More like 20 minutes (with time outs for commercials).
 
Written By: Sharpshooter
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Someone writes:
Could we please just make this the new Godwin? Iraq isn’t anything like Germany and Japan.
You mean the way that Germany wasn’t anything like Japan?
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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