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How times have changed ...
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, September 12, 2007

Great quote from a piece about British attitudes about guns:
We are so self-congratulatory about our officially disarmed society, and so dismissive of colonial rednecks, that we have forgotten that within living memory British citizens could buy any gun – rifle, pistol, or machinegun – without any licence. When Dr Watson walked the streets of London with a revolver in his pocket, he was a perfectly ordinary Victorian or Edwardian. Charlotte Brontë recalled that her curate father fastened his watch and pocketed his pistol every morning when he got dressed; Beatrix Potter remarked on a Yorkshire country hotel where only one of the eight or nine guests was not carrying a revolver; in 1909, policemen in Tottenham borrowed at least four pistols from passers-by (and were joined by other armed citizens) when they set off in pursuit of two anarchists unwise enough to attempt an armed robbery. We now are shocked that so many ordinary people should have been carrying guns in the street; the Edwardians were shocked rather by the idea of an armed robbery.
That last line is interesting in that it points to what some will accept (more armed robbery) in the convoluted belief that guns are the problem and it is up to the state to offer the protection that self-defense took care of previously. As is obvious by the number of armed robberies, etc., the government clearly can't provide that protection. It's result is a bit like unilateral disarmament. Law abiding citizens suffer more because criminals ignore the law. But they feel so much more smug about their enlightened stance.

Me? I'm proud to be a "colonial redneck" with the right to defend myself and not have to depend on an entity who can't possibly do what it reserves for itself in places like the UK.
 
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I’m a colonial redneck as well -
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. — Benjamin Franklin
 
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Is there a source for that? Where’d it come from?

 
Written By: Billy Beck
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Ack! - added.
 
Written By: McQ
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.. and these on the same day ..
Ulyanovsk, Russia Gov. Sergei Morozov has decreed Sept. 12 a Day of Conception and is giving couples time off from work to procreate. Couples who give birth nine months later on Russia’s national day — June 12 — will receive money, cars, refrigerators and other prizes.
Does Al Gore Know about this ?
 
Written By: Neo
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The U.K. is finished.

We’re next.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Aw heck, no we’re not, that’s why we formed our own government.
 
Written By: looker
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Yeah, and it’s worked out really well.

You’re right, Martin.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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Billy says:
You’re right, Martin.
Well, I mean barring an unforseen reassertion of American values, if I may speak of that which is disappearing over the horizon in the rear-view mirror. But mark me an optimist.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Oh, I’ve always known that about you.

And I understand what mean about an unforeseen reassertion.

Whatever: neither you or I will live to see it.

That’s how deep it is, now.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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Billy writes:
Whatever: neither you or I will live to see it.
You’re saying the long dark has descended.

I’m saying the long dark is on its way, but can still be stopped.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Martin:
I’m saying the long dark is on its way, but can still be stopped.
Another perspective is that the long dark is beyond anyone’s ability to control or predict and we’re left with essential humanity to get fed up enough — or indeed surprised at how they suddenly find themselves living the lives of slaves.

Hopefully Wester Civilization will have been enough, because I don’t think we can look to the East, and the Middle East has proven itself to be a culture perfectly willing to submit to slavery for the space of centuries, at least.

I don’t’ know that entitles us to occupy them for as long as it takes (as I mentioned in another thread), but I certainly understand the desire to do so.


 
Written By: Richard Nikoley
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"You’re saying the long dark has descended."

That’s right, Martin, and it’s true. Try to understand: my lifetime is the only thing that counts to me.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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Billy writes:
Try to understand: my lifetime is the only thing that counts to me.
If that had been the attitude of the men who fought for freedom there would never have been any glimpse of freedom in your lifetime.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Give me liberty or give me death - in my lifetime. Yeah, that has a certain ring to it, don’t ya know.
 
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Martin says:
If that had been the attitude of the men who fought for freedom there would never have been any glimpse of freedom in your lifetime.
What’s your point; that freedom requires the existence of people foolish and gullible enough to be suckered by the likes of a-holes in government and church to sacrifice their one and only lives (in spite of afterlife delusions) for the sake of uncertain freedom, to be (eventually, maybe) enjoyed by uncertain others? That’s what you want? ...Freedom by mass stupidity, for the sake of those smart enough to cajole others to go?

No thanks. Happily free forever from that nonsense, and I sure hope the trend is that way in general. Virtually any person is far better off eeking out whatever freedom they can steal here and there. That’s what I do, it could be better, but it’s a lot better that going off and getting killed for "our children." You know, they’re just going to have to look out for themselves.

...Though there’s likely to be no end to chickehawks who call for others to go sacrifice themselves. It’s a tough job, I know.
 
Written By: Richard Nikoley
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"If that had been the attitude of the men who fought for freedom there would never have been any glimpse of freedom in your lifetime."

Excuse me, Martin, but exactly whose "lives, fortunes, and sacred honor" do you think they were talking about?
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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Billy writes:
Excuse me, Martin, but exactly whose "lives, fortunes, and sacred honor" do you think they were talking about?
Those men were not thinking only of their own lives and lifetimes. If anything, they cared more about their posterity than their own lives.

They weren’t cutting freedom out of whole cloth. They believed that they were being robbed of their own inheritance of their rights as Englishmen and were seeking to recover a legacy that had been established over centuries. And they were not seeking to recover that legacy merely for the moment of their lives, but for everything and everyone that would follow.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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I have in the past, Martin, observed and remarked on the outrageous presumptions of their constitution.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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Billy writes:
I have in the past, Martin, observed and remarked on the outrageous presumptions of their constitution.
O.K.

But however you want to think of that, they were men who were focused on posterity, not living as if the world ended when their lives ended.

And they were trying to pass on the whole parcel of what they had fought for.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Well, good for them.

You know what? I never wanted that job, Martin, and their whole effort was wasted if it fell to me, anyway, because it is now manifestly obvious that I can’t do it.
 
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