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Such a deal
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, September 13, 2007

There's a report that Rudy Giuliani is asking the NYT to run a full page ad in which he denounces the MoveOn.org ad and Giuliani is asking for the same discounted price that MoveOn.org paid.

However, a James Taranto while checking into the MoveOn.org deal found this out about "discounting ads" per the FEC:
We consulted the Federal Elections Commission's Campaign Guide for Corporations and Labor Organizations, updated in January, and here's what it has to say about in-kind contributions (see page 14):

* Services (such as advertising, printing or consulting) are valued at the prevailing commercial rate at the time the services are rendered (i.e., the amount that was paid or would have been paid for the services).

* Discounts are valued at the amount discounted (i.e., the difference between the usual and normal charge and the amount paid by the committee).

If a company sells an ad worth $167,000 for $65,000, then, that would be an in-kind contribution of $102,000. Corporate contributions to PACs are illegal under the campaign finance laws the Times itself has long championed: "Corporations and labor organizations are prohibited from making contributions in connection with federal elections," according to the FEC. (A corporation may set up and administer a "separate segregated fund," or a corporate PAC, which receives contributions from people associated with the company, but it may not contribute to its own SSF or any other federally registered PAC.)
So, taking that at face value, giving a discounted price to a political campaign (Giuliani) may be a problem.

Heh ... I'm tellin' ya I'm cryin' over here.

It is a bit of of a Catch 22 for the Times (and that just breaks my heart) isn't it? If they don't give Giuliani the discount, well you know how that will be perceived and played. But if they do then it would be considered an "in-kind contribution" and land them in hot water with the FEC.

Life's little problems.
 
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Life’s little problems.
In this case the emphasis is on little.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Laws don’t apply to the glorious peoples revolution of the Democratic Party.
 
Written By: jows
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Oh - good for Rudy!
 
Written By: Teresa
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"In this case the emphasis is on little."
Unquestionably. The hypocrisy just goes right past you, Erb.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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Giuliani’s wife isn’t attractive enough to Erb for it to make a difference in how he evaluates him...
 
Written By: shark
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I dont care much for Rudy, but you gotta love this one. Guess it takes a New Yawker to set up the New Yawk Times. Heheheheheh.
 
Written By: Keith
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So, taking that at face value, giving a discounted price to a political campaign (Giuliani) may be a problem
Under various FEC and McCain-Feingold laws etc, is there a problem with giving a discount to such a known Democratic Party shill as MoveOn?

If not, they can refuse Giuliani the ad on the grounds that they can’t violate FEC laws. The way around THAT would be for a Right-side group that passes muster to demand the same space at the same price for the ad Giuliani wanted to run.

Either way, the NYT gives itself yet another self-inflicted black eye

 
Written By: shark
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Giuliani’s wife isn’t attractive enough to Erb for it to make a difference in how he evaluates him
That’s right. If I’m going to have to watch coverage of a first lady for four or maybe eight years, she should be a looker. I’m looking forward to Fred Thompson’s campaign.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
At the end of the day, MoveOn.org will be moving on to their checkbook to pay full price. It was a clerical mistake you see (wink wink).
 
Written By: Neo
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That’s right. If I’m going to have to watch coverage of a first lady for four or maybe eight years, she should be a looker. I’m looking forward to Fred Thompson’s campaign.
For a second there I thought you might back Kucinich. This guy may be a Keebler Elf, but man does he have a hot wife.
 
Written By: Joel C.
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Whenever you’re ready to post... hey, an update. A correction. Whatever you want to call it, Q. The recently arrived information in the public record which rebuts your allegations.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8724
 
Written By: glasnost
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Heh ... as usual, in your eagerness to score a ’gotchya’ your reading ability let you down.

I was asking if the FEC rule would effect the Giuliani ad since it is coming from a political campaign and not an "advocacy" group and thus not subject to receiving a discount per the FEC rule.

So Cole’s piece rebuts nothing here.
 
Written By: McQ
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