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Rather: The snicker factor (I can’t help snickering about this)
Posted by: mcq on Thursday, September 20, 2007

You'd think Dan Rather might be smarter than this, but apparently denial and ego can push people to do what seems to be self-destructive.
Dan Rather, whose career at CBS News ground to an inglorious end 15 months ago over his role in an unsubstantiated report questioning President Bush’s Vietnam-era National Guard service, filed a lawsuit this afternoon against the network, its corporate parent and three of his former superiors.

Mr. Rather, 75, asserts that the network violated his contract by giving him insufficient airtime on “60 Minutes” after forcing him to step down as anchor of the “CBS Evening News” in March 2005. He also contends that the network committed fraud by commissioning a “biased” and incomplete investigation of the flawed Guard broadcast and, in the process, “seriously damaged his reputation.”
I cannot wait to see his "evidence" that the investigation was fraudulent, biased and incomplete given the amount of information available on the nonsense he was pushing at the time. That commission didn't seriously damage his reputation, it simply confirmed what was pretty widely known at the time. What seriously damaged his reputation was his insistence, in the face of the facts, that his version was true. Ah well, they say there is no fool like an old fool (maybe this will set a precedent and Scott Beauchamp will sue TNR).

The only people who will make out on this little court battle will be the usual suspects - the lawyers. The entertainment factor, however, will be priceless.
 
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I guess the whole incident was seared into his memory
 
Written By: capt joe
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Actually, this is brilliant by Rather. His reputation is totally shot either way. CBS’s reputation is, I suppose, none too great either, but what Rather’s saying to them here is:

"Everyone knows I’m a partisan political hack. This lawsuit will have no effect on my reputation one way or the other. I’m done. However, settle and pay me money, or I’ll make sure it’s completely clear to the entire world just how deep the rot is at CBS news."
 
Written By: litsskad
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Oh, this is gonna be great. Is there any way they can all wind up in jail?

Maybe Dan will use some falsified memos purporting to show CBS’s duplicity and liability on this one also. I’m sure he can get them from the same source.

 
Written By: shark
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Now, if instead of this:
"seriously damaged his reputation."
the lawsuit read:
"failed to salvage his seriously damaged reputation."
 
Written By: tom scott
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Well, you know, the really funny thing about this is that it puts CBS in the position of having to prove the national guard documents were bogus.

That’s sweet.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
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Indeed, Dale.. that’s a point I made last night. And the timing couldn’t be better. Such revelations will show up just at the height of the election cycle.
What could be better, than CBS and Rather both being revealed as having tried to steal the 04 election for the Democrats?

 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
" He also contends that the network committed fraud by commissioning a "biased" and incomplete investigation of the flawed Guard broadcast and, in the process, "seriously damaged his reputation.""

This would seem to be an example of what psychologists call ’projection’.
 
Written By: timactual
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Eh. So it comes down to this versus this again.

Joy.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
URL: http://www.qando.net
Ah, Rathergate. The memories, the humor, the delicious schadenfreude.

I particularly recall my favorite cartoon from the scandal. Finally, Microsoft’s Clippy character was good for something.

And, of course, I wrote my first QandO piece on Rathergate. I still think CBS would have been better off if they had done this.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Take a look at this pic used at Drudge. Tell me Dan isn’t turning into Richard Nixon.

We need a name for the condition of becoming your worst enemy from your youth.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Listen you danged people!
If there’s one thing Dan Rather knows, it’s the difference between a real investigation and a
"biased" and incomplete investigation
.

Good to know that ’fake but accurate’ stands the test of time in Dan’s mind.

I’m going to ’rather’ enjoy watching this arrogant piece of handiwork destroyed by his own creators.

 
Written By: looker
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Heh - I just had another thought -
Maybe when Dan’s done with this one he can help OJ track down the killers.
 
Written By: looker
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The MSM line is that Dan Rather used unsubstantiated sources/evidence. Absolutely zero mention the documents were fake.

I suspect none will go further than saying they were unsubstantiated, not even CBS even if it means they lose in court.

I suspect they’ll settle out of court and both sides will claim victory.
 
Written By: jpm100
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Maybe if you all chant "kerning" loud enough you’ll be able to ignore the fact that while his peers were dying in Vietnam Bush was too drunk and high to bother to show up for the spot his mommy bought him in the Air National Guard.
 
Written By: Retief
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Maybe if you all chant "kerning" loud enough you’ll be able to ignore the fact that while his peers were dying in Vietnam Bush was too drunk and high to bother to show up for the spot his mommy bought him in the Air National Guard.
Prove it. And while you’re at it, where are Kerry’s complete military records posted?

You troll.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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Maybe if you all chant "kerning" loud enough you’ll be able to ignore the fact that while his peers were dying in Vietnam Bush was too drunk and high to bother to show up for the spot his mommy bought him in the Air National Guard
Dan, is that you?

Maybe Bush was in Cambodia with Kerry.
 
Written By: shark
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Yes, Retief, it’s all so true that even a major American news organization had to rely on manufactured, er, evidence to "prove" it.

Either that or the media is in Bush’s pocket. Yeah, that’s it.
 
Written By: the wolf
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It is impossible to prove such a thing to a person who makes a hobby of the Slothful Induction.

 
Written By: Retief
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Maybe if you all chant "kerning" loud enough you’ll be able to ignore the fact that while his peers were dying in Vietnam Bush was too drunk and high to bother to show up for the spot his mommy bought him in the Air National Guard.
Maybe if you chant ’Fake but Accurate’ loudly enough you’ll be able to understand the point of the post.
 
Written By: looker
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the wolf, are you suggesting that Bush did show up for his guard service, wasn’t suspended from flying, didn’t get in by virtue of his parents pull, or does remember anything about where he was in 1972 the same way twice?
 
Written By: Retief
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Looker, thank you for acknowledging the accuracy of the history of Bush’s dereliction.
 
Written By: Retief
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Retief is so dumb he doesn’t even understand the meaning of the "fake but accurate" meme. He actually thinks it is a positive statement.
 
Written By: JWG
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fact that while his peers were dying in Vietnam Bush was too drunk and high to bother to show up for the spot his mommy bought him in the Air National Guard.
Hmm, this sounds more like unsubstantiated rumor & hearsay than anything defineable as a "fact." Apparently advanced BDS causes confusion as to what kind of information might actually qualify as fact.
 
Written By: DavidC
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acknowledging the accuracy of the history of Bush’s dereliction.
yeah, who would have thought such shoddy and easily disproved ’proof’ would have been all that could be found eh after all that digging?

Glad we agree that the history provided was utter fabrication.
What a fun little game this is!
 
Written By: looker
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the wolf, are you suggesting that Bush did show up for his guard service, wasn’t suspended from flying, didn’t get in by virtue of his parents pull, or does remember anything about where he was in 1972 the same way twice?
Oh no! Quick, somebody unelect him!
 
Written By: shark
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the wolf, are you suggesting that Bush did show up for his guard service, wasn’t suspended from flying, didn’t get in by virtue of his parents pull, or does remember anything about where he was in 1972 the same way twice?
Well, he did fly F-102s. And he completed his NG requirements.

What have you done?
 
Written By: Don
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He also volunteered for a Vietnam assignment.

I can’t stand George Bush, but this rubbish is just infuriating in its studied, calculated ignorance of known facts.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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That’s because the facts don’t contain anything damning, so they have to make up some accusations and try to place the onus on Bush and his supporters to disprove the accusations.

Bush Didn’t Show Up For Guard Service: This accusation is based on one single statement made by an ANG base commander that he didn’t remember Lt Bush. Others who served at the same station have come forward to recount that he did in fact show up for the token duty (which is all a "visiting" officer gets assigned), but they are all liars, of course. Documentary evidence is slim, but all of it is on Bush’s side. The only proof that could possibly be conclusive would be the sign in/out logbooks for the place of duty, and those are probably so much compost by now.
His pay records, however, do say that he showed up. I don’t know how the Air Scouts did it, but in the Coast Guard, the Yeomen were not people who made such mistakes. Pay records are about as good as you can get this late date.

Bush Was Suspended From Flight Status: This is a truthful statement. Bush was not going to be flying anymore and therefore did not take his flight physical. The implication that this was a disciplinary action is incorrect, however. His suspension from flight status was administrative, not punitive. He did not face a board or a hearing for dicipline. At any time, he could have taken his flight physical and gotten back on flight status with a simple form. Not that that would have meant anything, as he was still not flying.

Bush Got In The TANG By His Parent’s Pull: No evidence of this at all. This is an accusation that is impossible to defend against, because it is all opinion-based conjecture. You can point out that there was no waiting list for those with the scores, physical ability, and willingness to become pilots, and they just go NA-NA-NA-CANT-HEAR-YOU with their fingers in their ears like the children they are.


Bush’s TANG service was unremarkable in general, yet honorable. He could have been, from his evaluations, a fine officer had he remained, but he chose a different path. Retief and company just can’t accept that he could have served honorably if unremakably. Bush HAS to be evil, or the very foundation of their hatred for him is demolished.
 
Written By: Random Numbers (Brian Epps)
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Retief, calling you dense is an insult to gravity.

And if I were Keith Laumer’s heirs / assigns, I’d require you to cease using that name because you’re destroying its’ value, associating it with a moron like yourself.

*ssh*t.

 
Written By: SDN
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Billy Beck, why do you repeat that discredited claim? Here are the copies of his enlistment forms. Look at page 12 where he checks "do not volunteer for overseas service". Or listen to the man himself.
Russert: Were you favor of the war in Vietnam?

President Bush: I supported my government. I did. And would have gone had my unit been called up, by the way.

Russert: But you didn’t volunteer or enlist to go.

President Bush: No, I didn’t. You’re right.

(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4179618/)
 
Written By: retief
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He was required to check "do not volunteer for overseas service" since he was applying for a specific flying assignment with the 147th Fighter Group. He did volunteer for the Palace Alert program which would send F-102 pilots overseas, but he didn’t have enough experience.

Now you can certainly argue that he placed himself in positions that he knew would not likely result in deployment to Vietnam (pilot training for ANG and not having enough hours to deploy). He could have chosen a different military path.

However, he DID volunteer for an overseas deployment that matched the training assignment he chose.
 
Written By: JWG
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