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Finland?
Posted by: McQ on Saturday, September 22, 2007

I wonder why they picked Finland:
An American family with three small children has applied for political asylum in Finland, immigration officials said Friday.

The five family members came to Finland on Tuesday from Germany, said Minna Serradj from the Directorate of Immigration.

"It's very unusual for a U.S. citizen to apply for asylum," Serradj said, declining to give details in line with a policy to protect asylum seekers. "I don't remember when we last had Americans applying."

Serradj declined to comment on local media speculation that the parents possibly were seeking to escape serving in the U.S. armed forces in Iraq.
Most likely a soldier who has gone AWOL (soon to be dropped from the rolls as a deserter in a time of war) and his (or her) family.

Interesting choice of nations and an interesting request (asylum). I wonder how the Finns will end up handling it.

The story says Finland will process the request in 3 to 6 months. For the soldier's sake (again assuming it is a soldier) it would be better if they could give him or her a determination within 30 days. To that point he or she is simply AWOL. After 30 days, as mentioned, they become a deserter in time of war, and if asylum is denied, that would be a very different kettle of fish for that person and family (and no the military won't stand them up before a wall and shoot them, but prison for a few years certainly wouldn't be out of the question).
 
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odd to apply for asylum, most people would simply hide. Its not like the armed forces is much interested in chasing after deserters. Sadly, applying for asylum puts them in the lime light and forces the armed forces hand if asylum is not given. If you don’t punish them accordingly you lose control, if you do, it will be a major play for the anti-war groupies, who can easily spin it to show how teh military is a bunch of "meanie heads" for enforcing their rules.
 
Written By: josh b
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Yup. The military doesn’t actively seek those that have either gone AWOL or deserted. They may prosecute them if they’re caught by a law enforcement agency committing a crime (if they did something criminal before going AWOL), but for the most part they simply take advantage at the time of apprehension to process them out with a Bad Conduct Discharge and be done with them.

However, give yourself a high profile and the military has no choice but to act just as you note.
 
Written By: McQ
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It looks like Sweden is no longer the haven of choice for military personnel seeking to avoid active service. Assuming this is a military individual, of course.
 
Written By: timactual
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I just hope that we don’t start hearing of the Finlandization of the US Armed Forces.

(sorry, it’s been a long weekend)
 
Written By: Steverino
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How does one get political asylum when evading a situation for which one VOLUNTEERED? (For the clueless: we’ve had a voluntary military for over 30 years).

 
Written By: Sharpshooter
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Many EU countries have a list of states from which you are virtually automatically denied asylum. Usually this is a ’fast track’ process which doesn’t completely eliminate the possibility, but given that there is no draft, chances are it would be quickly rejected. I suspect Finland must have a legal system that allows a full process (the time frame suggests that) and perhaps definitions that could suit such a case. It’s possible that political pressure might be generated in this time frame as well.

Frankly, the idea of a parent living a child to go to war is immensely sad. I can’t leave my kids for two days without feeling like I’m not doing what a father should do, but for fathers or mothers to miss large chunks of especially young children’s early formative years is almost tragic. Add to that the possibility of death, serious injury or mental problems and...it shouldn’t be done unless the country is in severe threat or has been attacked. To do that for a social engineering experiment in another part of the world is just wrong.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Add to that the possibility of death, serious injury or mental problems and...it shouldn’t be done unless the country is in severe threat or has been attacked.
You mean the way the US has?
To do that for a social engineering experiment in another part of the world is just wrong.
Just like we conducted social engineering on the Japanese and Germans.

You’re a brainless dude, Erb. Have you ever understood a history book, even one?

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
URL: http://tomdperkins.blogspot.com/
Scott,

Thing is, people do that every day without ever going to war. Many people work overseas to put food on their table and provide. For the most part, however, they get to come home much more often. I remember I got to come home for two weeks every two months at one millwright job. Here in the states I was able to come home for four days ever 1-3 months.

For the most part I totally agree with your sentiments, and after finally getting a decent job in this area (Mojave desert) I get to go home every day and spend time with the kids. Mind you, I make half of what I made overseas, and 20K less per year than I did working out of state, but money isn’t everything and being home is worth much more than the money.

Kalroy
 
Written By: Kalroy
URL: http://kalroy.blogspot.com
Erb, in case you didn’t notice, the military is, by nature, a fighting force which could well require its personnel to go overseas and kill people. If a parent in the military doesn’t want to risk leaving his kids for a long time (or leaving them fatherless), there’s a simple solution: he shouldn’t join the military, or he should leave it if he’s already joined. If he’s joined before having children, then he simply shouldn’t have any. If someone’s really so worried that his profession might leave his future family without a father, then it’s damned irresponsible on his part to bring children into this world.

We still have a volunteer military, you know, despite efforts by conservative icons like Charlie Rangel to reinstate the draft.
 
Written By: Perry Eidelbus
URL: http://eidelblog.blogspot.com
"Frankly, the idea of a parent living a child to go to war is immensely sad....."

Oh. Gee. I had no idea. Thank you for pointing that out. I guess it takes a sensitive, spiritual soul like yourself to make crude and insensitive yahoos like us realize the awful consequences of those awful policies.
 
Written By: timactual
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Frankly, the idea of a parent living a child to go to war is immensely sad. I can’t leave my kids for two days without feeling like I’m not doing what a father should do, but for fathers or mothers to miss large chunks of especially young children’s early formative years is almost tragic. Add to that the possibility of death, serious injury or mental problems and...it shouldn’t be done unless the country is in severe threat or has been attacked. To do that for a social engineering experiment in another part of the world is just wrong.
So don’t join the military.
 
Written By: Don
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Just like we conducted social engineering on the Japanese and Germans.

You’re a brainless dude, Erb. Have you ever understood a history book, even one?
I’ve studied a lot of history and political science, Tom, and to think you can compare what’s going on in Iraq to Japan and Germany after WWII is laughable. It shows you simply don’t understand what’s happening. You need an education.

And the idea that somehow because people volunteered makes it less sad for parents to be separated from their children is bizarre. Are you guys heartless?
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm

 
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