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Edwards: Did he have a Vietnam draft deferment? (updated)
Posted by: McQ on Friday, October 05, 2007

You know, you should be careful when you start throwing stuff like this around:
... Elizabeth Edwards, in which she questioned Rush Limbaugh's Vietnam exemption:

My classmates went to Vietnam, he did not. He was 4F. He had a medical disability, the same medical disability that probably should have stopped him from spending a lifetime in a radio announcer’s chair; but it is true, isn’t it? If he has an inoperable position that allows him not to serve, presumably it should not allow him to sit for long periods of time the way he does. I think this is a serious enough offense for the people who fund him, who buy ads and allow him to be on the air, need to be asked if this is what they really stand for, do they think it is all right for someone who has never served to denigrate the men and women who have simply because they are expressing an opinion. Frankly, I thought that is what we are fighting for.
Wait a minute.

When did US troop involvement in Vietnam End? Well technically the last US troops withdrew in April of '75, but mid '73 is when the bulk were withdrawn.

If EE's classmates went to Vietnam, wouldn't John Edwards also have been eligible?

Well let's see. Edwards was born July 10, 1953. He turned 18 on July 10, 1971. The lottery for men born in 1953 was held February 2, 1972. And his draft number?

89.

As it turns out the draft ended on July 1, 1973 and only 646 were drafted. But my guess is John Edwards had a draft deferment because he was in college (as I recall that was a 2S deferment and you apply for it when you register - and of course he didn't know at the time the draft would shut down the next year). So is it really proper to be quibbling over who did or didn't use exemptions to miss Vietnam?

89 was a sure-to-be-drafted number (anywhere under 200 usually meant you would be drafted). If Edwards had a deferment and if the war hadn't ended, then obviously he was just as content, as were millions of others who were exempted, to let someone else serve in his place. Seems a little disingenuous to be talking about exemptions others might have had if your husband was sitting on one as well, wouldn't you say?

UPDATE: From 2004:
In April, NBC "Today Show" host Katie Couric asked him where he was during Vietnam. The exchange went like this:

COURIC: Your military service, before we go?

EDWARDS: I - I did not serve in the military.

COURIC: You had a high lottery number, is that right?

EDWARDS: I did, and I came after - after the time that they were actually drafting from the lottery, Katie. I'm 50 years old. And because at the time I came along and graduated from high school and then - and then went to college, I was not drafted.
He did not have a high draft number (he had an extremely low draft number) and he did not come 'after' the time they were actually drafting from the lottery.

UPDATE II: Tom Maguire provides a link which contends that Edwards was born on June 10th of '53, not July 10th. That would make his lottery number 178. That is still not a high draft number. Like I said, under 200 was pretty much a guarantee to be drafted.

And don't lose sight of the fact that the question still is whether he had a draft deferment or not?
 
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Troubling - I am with you in spirit, but Edwards’ birthday is JUNE 10, 1953 so his draft number was 178.

Newsmax had some of this in 2004.

And let’s see - it is Elizabeth rather than John that is going after Rush because...

(a) they wanted a mano a mano match-up;

(b) Ann Coulter is soooo last week;

(c) no one would expect a woman with breast cancer to serve in Vietnam.

What a clown show by Team Edwards.
 
Written By: Tom Maguire
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She’s a full-fledged member of the nutroots, so she should be exempt from the normal rules governing how we treat candidate spouses
 
Written By: shark
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Tom:
Troubling - I am with you in spirit, but Edwards’ birthday is JUNE 10, 1953 so his draft number was 178.
According to this story, it is July 10th.

Either way, in that era, both were sure to be drafted numbers (under 200 and you were going).
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Men were drafted the year of their 20th not 18th birthday by Title 10 USC. So you could be 19 and be inducted as long as you turned twenty that calender year.

My brother got his Notice in Oct 65’. He turned 20 in Nov. He went to Ft. Jackson on Jan. 12, 1966.

You could join the military at 17 with parental permission, as you can today.

All collegiate Deferments were ended by 1972. I had a barracks full of bitter undergrads in June 72’ who’s long locks had been shorn in Reception Station to High & Tight. All were 20 or about to turn 20 that year.

I saw men in Basic as old as 25 who thought that they were safe.

I believe the last draftee was inducted in late Jan. 73’. The Paris Peace Accords ended the Draft.

Edwards BTW supports all the tenants of the Communist Party, and is well...a Marxist schmuck.

Edwards had better things to do than serve his country. He had to train how to sue legitimate businesses into bankruptsy.
 
Written By: Old Paratrooper
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Silky Pony must be getting low on campaign funds again, so he dispatches the little lady to rustle up some money my poormouthing their boogeyman, Rush Limbaugh. Brilliant, Silk.
 
Written By: Crush Liberalism
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What troubles me the most about Mrs. Edwards’ insinuation that Rush should not have a job because he wasn’t eligible for military service is its implications for the employment of the disabled. Pace Mrs. Edwards, should people too infirm for military service just sit on their thumbs then and not try to do something they ARE capable of? I really resent that. I have two sons whose neurological impairments will likely make them ineligible to serve in the military, but nevertheless capable of holding down some kind of employment and independent living. Would Mrs. Edwards rather they just lived at home with me for the rest of their lives?
 
Written By: Wacky Hermit
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And let’s see - it is Elizabeth rather than John that is going after Rush because...
This whole thing with Edwards’ wife being an attack dog is just weird and unsettling. I can’t see her antics helping her husband, except maybe with the nutroots. She’d be one mean and spiteful First Lady if her husband was elected.
 
Written By: Bob
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Edwards is Bill Clinton without the social-political network. Both men are more narcissistic pathologies than they are developed individuals. Clinton blew the bugle for these types, and Edwards heard the call. (Compare either with the more common garden variety political blowhards like Biden and Dodd.)

Edwards’ disadvantage lies in the fact that his wife is the principal and perhaps only real member of his cult of personality, whereas both Bill and Hillary, he more than she, have huge cults.

So Edwards needs to dissolve himself in the waters of populism so that if Clinton falters (fat chance of that), he’ll emerge as the True Man of the People and be able to wrestle the nomination away from Obama, the Dumb Blonde who speaks wildly about all sorts of things with utter confidence.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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All collegiate Deferments were ended by 1972.
But he would have applied for (and gotten) his in ’71 when he registered for the draft.
Men were drafted the year of their 20th not 18th birthday by Title 10 USC. So you could be 19 and be inducted as long as you turned twenty that calender year.
The draft lottery of Feb. ’72 was for those, like Edwards, who had been born in ’53.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Why are all you guys on the right so anxious to bash and discredit John Edwards, on the basis of non-substantive, relatively trivial issues (e.g. haircuts, draft deferment arithmetic)? I suspect it’s because the edge of his argument against the authoritarian tendencies and corporate favoritism of your beloved incumbent Administration cuts so deeply. The way he would govern would represent and accomplish the first serious empowerment of ordinary Americans since Franklin Roosevelt, and you can’t stand that...
 
Written By: Zach
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Why are all you guys on the right so anxious to bash and discredit John Edwards, on the basis of non-substantive, relatively trivial issues (e.g. haircuts, draft deferment arithmetic)?
Apparently you missed who started all this "exemption" nonsense?

Why? Well maybe you can answer the question I posed:
If Edwards had a deferment and if the war hadn’t ended, then obviously he was just as content, as were millions of others who were exempted, to let someone else serve in his place. Seems a little disingenuous to be talking about exemptions others might have had if your husband was sitting on one as well, wouldn’t you say?
 
Written By: McQ
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Whether 178 was a high or low number depended on his draft board. Some draft boards had no problems making their targets. Others had more. It varied.
 
Written By: Dave Schuler
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Wouldn’t the ADA make what Mrs Edwards is saying about Rush’s employment illegal? Even if we give her a pass on the hypocrisy with respect to her husband’s failure to serve.

I’d let it pass, but some targets are just too tempting to ignore.

 
Written By: MarkD
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While I am no fan of Edwards, you are confused about the numbers. I was born June 30, 1953, so I was in the same lottery as Edwards. I was number 142. I did not come close to being drafted.
 
Written By: Rick
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Here’s another item.

Are we sure that Silky POny’s deferment was a 2A?

A 2A is "Occupational deferment (other than agricultural and student)."

He’d have to have been a 2S to get a student deferment.

And incase Mrs Edwards (I should start calling her "mister" considering she’s the one with the balls in that relationship) didn’t know, you can easily be unfit for military service and be more than capable of being on radio.

The hell is that woman smoking, anyways?
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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The way he would govern would represent and accomplish the first serious empowerment of ordinary Americans since Franklin Roosevelt, and you can’t stand that...
Of course, ordinary Americans, have 401Ks and other retirement benefits, own homes, work productively, are here legally, and would like their own tax burden to be less then it is now, not more.

So, why is the left attacking Rush, and other right wing pundits?

Couldn’t be because they are hurting them where it hurts the most??
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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I, too, am a 1953 baby. When I matriculated in Fall, 1971, we were given the opportunity, at the college, to choose either a student deferment (S-2) or no deferment. As I remember, if you elected not to defer, and your number did not come up, you were free and clear of your draft board. If you deferred, you could be "taken" by the draft board when your deferment expired. I chose to roll the dice, as did many, many others. The slowdown had already begun.

My number was 69, but I was advised by the board that they would likely only go up to 50 in the draft. That proved to be the case, and so I was not called up when I bombed out of school in the second semester of my freshman year. I did have a hall mate whose number was "1", who had not taken the deferment, and he soon disappeared from campus.

All of us made careful decisions, some got lucky, and some did not.
 
Written By: Agricola
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The way he would govern would represent and accomplish the first serious empowerment of ordinary Americans since Franklin Roosevelt, and you can’t stand that...
What exactly are you smoking? Forced governmental redistribution of income is your idea of "serious empowerment of ordinary Americans"? What Edwards advocates is blatant socialism. And this from a man with a 28,000 square foot house and $400 (did I hear $1500) haircuts. What I and other commenters of this blog can’t stand about the man is the blatant hypocricy of a man who cries wolf while he stands inside a wolf-proof metal cage.

Question: Were you assigned as the Edwards "Apologist of the Day" for this blog? Seems like whenever there is any mention of Edwards on this Blog, somebody steps out of the woodwork to defend the man - a different person each time who has never before been seen commenting here. I’m just saying . . .
 
Written By: SShiell
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If I recall correctly, S-2 deferment ended in 1972. I was born in 1954, had # 69, no option for student deferment when I enrolled in college in Fall of 72. Buddy of mine had # 90, got called up for physical (prelude to actual draft notice), then Jan/Feb 73 announced no more draftees to be taken. So we both just missed out on being called up. It was really close. It was our understanding that they took you when you turned 19.
 
Written By: Door
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I was born in 1953. I registered for the draft in April of 1971 as I turned 18. I was in high school at the time and was not classified at that time, unless it was 1A.

I graduated in June and began college in September of 71. At no time did my draft status change in 71 or 72. I turned 19 in 1972 and remained a full time student throughout that year, college deferements were not in effect. We were aware that the draft was winding down and there were rumors that there would be no draft for men born in 1953. But we also knew that college students were subject to the draft and not deferred.

My draft number was 50, and I was summoned to a draft physical on December 19, 1972. My recollection at the time was that anyone with a number of 75 or lower was summoned as a precautionary measure in case the draft was still needed. I was classified as a result of that physical, in February 1973, (I still have my draft card) but it was clear by then that no one from 1953 was going to be drafted.

If Edwards’ experience was like mine, it was unlikely that he was called for a physical, with 89 as a number, and it is unlikely that he had a deferment.

The point that for people born in 1953 and later, the draft just petered out. Many of my friends that were a few years older and didn’t go to college were drafted. I have no knowlege of anyone born in 1953 or after who was drafted.

 
Written By: Jerry
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Whether Mrs Edwards (or anyone else) has the facts exactly right is secondary to the nature of the attack.

Here’s the question that should be asked, why are they bringing up the fact that Rush had a deferment at all???

Simple, to attack his credibility, and deflect attention from their own weakness.

And have no doubts that apologists are out to push back on anyone who is going to try to defend Rush, or criticize this inane attack by Mrs Edwards.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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I didn’t think you could get a college deferment after the lottery was implemented. I was born in 1954 and registered around my bithday in 1972. I don’t remember that a college deferment was available then.
 
Written By: Ralph
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I hate to rain on this parade, but my brother was born on April 12, 1953. He got a draft number (I believe it was in the teens), but the draft stopped between when draft numbers were issued and when they were inducted.
 
Written By: Dave
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It would be worth actually checking to see how high up the lottery chain the draft got to in 1971. I was 1-A in 1972 with a number of 126. The draft that year, I’m quite sure, did not break 100. My guess is that John Edwards’ lottery number of 89 was simply high enough for him not to get drafted.
 
Written By: Henry Bowman
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I wonder how the libtards would like it if a conservative said, "I think her bout with cancer is fake." Mr(s). Edwards needs to stop doing the heavy lifting for her effeminate little man.
 
Written By: Ksb
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Those born in 1954 were part of the last draft lottery.
 
Written By: Neo
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The "class of ’53" got as far as the 150’s in the draft, so that 178 would have escaped.
 
Written By: Neo
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"(as I recall that was a 2A deferment and you apply for it when you register - and of course he didn’t know at the time the draft would shut down the next year)."

As I recall a 2S.
 
Written By: Murphy
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As I recall a 2S.
I think you’re right ... I recall is was a 2 something.
 
Written By: McQ
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While I am no fan of Edwards, you are confused about the numbers. I was born June 30, 1953, so I was in the same lottery as Edwards. I was number 142. I did not come close to being drafted.
As noted Rick, that’s because in 1973 they only drafted 646 people and ended the draft on July 1st of that year and went to a volunteer military.

But had it been 1972, for example, when they drafted almost 50,000 and I can assure you with 142 you’d have gotten more than "close".

But the point is, when you signed up, that number was pretty much a ’you-will-be-drafted’ number, unless you had a deferment. And, at the time you signed up, you had no idea they would only draft 646 or end the draft the year you lottery number came up.

And again, the question is, did he have a deferment?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
It would be worth actually checking to see how high up the lottery chain the draft got to in 1971. I was 1-A in 1972 with a number of 126. The draft that year, I’m quite sure, did not break 100. My guess is that John Edwards’ lottery number of 89 was simply high enough for him not to get drafted.
Since they only took 646 that year (vs. 50,000 the previous year) his number obviously was high enough not to get drafted.

But that’s not what the title of the post asks, is it?
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Here’s the selective service systems web page with all the lottery results...

And some of the classifications...

In case anyone was interested...
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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Silk Pony’s wife always keeping the pot stirred...lol.
 
Written By: Bob
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I just wish she’d shut up and go away, except that the Silk Pony needs her to deflect from the fact that he has no military background - which they seem to think is so important in others, he’s in an ever increasing losing position in the polls. And after he loses the nomination and Shrillary passes him over as VP, his political career will be over. He can go back to his litigation career and terrorize people on a local level.
 
Written By: Kris, in New England
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I was born December 2nd, 1953, and my draft number was 90. I was classified 1-A, but was never called up for a physical or for service. I had a friend who’s number was 45. He was called in for a physical, but never called up for service.
I still have my 1-A card.

Not to defend Edwards. He’s a nightmare as far as I’m concerned.


 
Written By: autot
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The old guys writing above are correct- my lottery class was the year before Edwards’, (born 1952) and no one was drafted above number 125. A year later it was even lower.

Silky is a slimeball, but the message of this post is wrong. And EE should still knock it off.
 
Written By: Kurmudge
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So, what this all comes down to is they both got deferrments for one thing or another. (Shrug)

Question is, who the troups in the filed would trust me... The Breck Girl, or Limbaugh?

 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
Why are all you guys on the right so anxious to bash and discredit John Edwards, on the basis of non-substantive, relatively trivial issues (e.g. haircuts, draft deferment arithmetic)?
Try reading for comprehension. Nothing in the post "bash[es]" or "discredit[s]" John Edwards. It is a simple question that requires a simple answer.

Did John Edward have a deferment?


And, if he did, is it then right for Elizabeth Edwards to question the integrity of someone else for the same "sin" of her husband.

I’m quite certain that if someone documented that John Edwards was not sitting on a deferment than the issue would be dropped, and McQ would say, "Thank you for that informaiton." Then we could go on talking about how stupid Mrs. Edward’s comments were on face value alone.
 
Written By: sully
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Maybe they both had deferments. Only one of them is calling those currently serving "phony soldiers".
 
Written By: Retief
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Does E. Edwards seriously contend that any condition sufficient to get one 4F status must preclude being able to sit down all the time?

Snopes says Limbaugh had a pilonidal cyst, and Snopes page also suggests that the reason it’s an exempting condition is the risk of infection, not that it hurts to sit down.

(Similary, the Mayo Clinic - it ’may’ cause pain when sitting. On the other hand, of course, it may not.

And it may be treated, which is doubtless what happened in Limbaugh’s case at some date after 1971. But the Draft Board evidently did not feel that mandating surgery to fix it was worthwhile.)

Of course, E. Edwards isn’t a doctor, so can be forgiven for not knowing that... though not for speaking about it as if she wasn’t ignorant about it.
 
Written By: Sigivald
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Even with a draft number of 200, Edwards may not have been drafted. My college roommate had number 1 and was not drafted after graduation in May 1973. He was told that those whose window of eligibility came up the previous year filled all the numbers needed for 1973. It was really the 2S status that saved Edwards.
 
Written By: Ed Sherrill
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Even with a draft number of 200, Edwards may not have been drafted.
This isn’t about whether or not he may have been drafted.
It was really the 2S status that saved Edwards.
If so, then he had a deferment and it probably isn’t smart, politically, to be thumping someone else who had one too.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Maybe they both had deferments. Only one of them is calling those currently serving "phony soldiers".


Gee you mean EDWARDS has been insulting the troops? ’Cuz Limbaugh didn’t...you might want to read something besides the "Talking Points." But if Edwards has been insulting active soldiers who disagree with him, what a loser.
 
Written By: Joe
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"Conflation" is fast becoming my favorite, one size fits all, word for use in political arguments.

Since I think that Rush is a big windbag, I have no problem reading the transcript of the gaffe for what it was. He did mean to call some soldiers who have served in Iraq phonies, simply because they returned to the US and called for an immediate pullout. He has conflated the group of "real" soldiers opposing the war with the the group of wannbes opposing the war and called all of them by the name of the latter group: phony soldiers. All of the tap-dancing since then has been to try to cover that up.

OTOH, the "other side" (Retief, you know who you are) has taken this statement, and conflated his target group (Iraq veterans who want an immediate pulloup) with all veterans, and accuse him of disrespect of the troops, which is obvious nonsense.

The whole "service" issue is an abberation: it’s been important politically exacty three times in the history of the republic: immediately after the revolution (for obvious reasons), after the Civil war, and after WWII, when "not serving" was an exception, not the rule. Kerry is an outlier - the Dems needed a vet as a beard for their cut and run tendencies.

And, IIRC, A 2s deferment was exactly that; when you lost it, you went into the draft pool immediately. I was in and out before the "lottery", and, in my day, when you lost your 2S in my draft board district, you were almost sure to be drafted, since they moved you to the front of the line to make up for all the time you weren’t available. This meant that guys graduating with a BS(orA) either went to grad school, got a job in the defense industry or the government, or got drafted. I think there were 4 or 5 college grads in my basic training company. I can’t claim any particular bravery, I didn’t work to stay out, simply because I wanted to get it over with and get on with my life. The GOT incident happened while I was in basic.
 
Written By: bud
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Bud, you’re quite right. Rush was clearly not trying to denigrate all veterans, just suggest that the service of those who disagree with his cheerleading doesn’t deserve respect.
 
Written By: Retief
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Sorry Bud you and Retief have missed the boat...he was speaking specifically of Jesse McBeth and other "Phony Soldiers". Not those who have served or not, and oppose the war.....
 
Written By: Joe
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"According to this story, it is July 10th."

The story you link must have an error somewhere. The following quote is from your link. I stopped reading after that, so I don’t know what is in the rest. I googled Edwards and found three sites which listed his birthday, all of which said June.


"Born Johnny Reid Edwards on June 10, 1953, in Seneca, S.C.,"
*********************************

"Some draft boards had no problems making their targets. Others had more. It varied."

Absolutely. That is why, as ’old paratrooper’ said, there were some very surprised and angry older draftees. I knew a guy who was at least 26, with 2 kids, when he was drafted.
 
Written By: timactual
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The Selective Service has a selective memory. The lottery continued for a number of years after what they show, although for someone like me (born in 1955) it was pretty much a given that we were not about to be drafted. This link provides the lottery numbers of those born in ’54 and ’55.

http://www.genuineideas.com/ArticlesIndex/drafttables.htm
 
Written By: Z as in Jersey
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Okay, just a couple of things I found while googling but didn’t comment on at the time as the info seemed to show up faster than I could compose them. These are relevant but not necessarily pertinent to "Did Edwards file for a deferment?".

One was from Wikipedia (I know, I know), "In 1971, Senator Mike Gravel embarked on a one-man filibuster against legislation renewing the military draft. Using various parliamentary maneuvers, Gravel was able to block the bill for five months before President Richard Nixon and Senate Republicans agreed to allow the draft to expire in 1973. ...."

Knowing this (and the end of the draft was widely covered in the news) it is possible/probable that John Edwards did know that the draft was going to end prior to his being called up. It’s possible he was aware of it prior to becoming 18 and having to register.

The other was notable information is from a Study by Card and Lemieux, 2000 (pdf) which shows among other things that inductions dropped preciptiously from 1968 — from a high of 341,000 in 1968 to 94,000 in ’71 and 49,000 in ’72. In this, I wouldn’t agree to the view that 178 was a not a "high draft number".

Still and all, because of the need to register in ’71 and there being nothing assured, I have no doubt that Edwards did the paperwork to establish the student deferment.
 
Written By: Dusty
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when i was taking my induction physical there was a guy turned away because he had a screw in his knee. he had a football injury, had surgery and went back and played football. looked like he could run any of us in there into the ground. failing an army physical doesnt mean you are some crippled handicap. EE is doing wonders for silky’s campaign!
 
Written By: chas
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Maybe they both had deferments. Only one of them is calling those currently serving "phony soldiers".
Again, no.

But do keep hanging on to that nonsense in spite of all fact. It makes your position so much easier to defeat, I can’t tell you.
 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
Maybe they both had deferments. Only one of them is calling those currently serving "phony soldiers".
Again, no.

But do keep hanging on to that nonsense in spite of all fact. It makes your position so much easier to defeat, I can’t tell you.
Don’t bother Bit.

We’re headed straight into "plastic turkey" territory with this one
 
Written By: shark
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Go read the transcript fellas. Rush’s criteria for being a "real soldier" is "They joined to be in Iraq." (The real transcript not the edited one he aired the next day.)

And of course his follow up is to call the VoteVets guy too dim to understand what he’s saying. What respect.

What a proud day for libertarians when you turn into a bunch of Rush appologists.
 
Written By: Retief
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Just because all your repulikkkan leaders either dodged the draft or went AWOL you have to make up this sh*t about Edwards. That proves you are mindless little bushbots and only repeat the neocon talking points.
 
Written By: Rainlillie
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Just because all your repulikkkan leaders either dodged the draft or went AWOL you have to make up this sh*t about Edwards. That proves you are mindless little bushbots and only repeat the neocon talking points.
Well slugger, I wrote it and I retired with 28 years in the Army. And, interestingly enough, I lived through this era. Even more fun, had I not already committed to the Army at the time of the ’69 draft lottery, my number was 335 and I’d have never come close to serving.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
I was born in 1953 and enrolled in college after graduating high school in 1971. My lottery number was 10. No student deferments were available to individuals born in 1953. My recollection is that the Selective Service had drafted guys born in 1952 up to lottery number 125.

I was called in for a physical, classified 1H (which meant I could be moved to 1A at any time) and never drafted. My recollection is that no men born in 1953 or later were drafted.
 
Written By: Tim
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We’re headed straight into "plastic turkey" territory with this one
Mmm. Erb Lite.



 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
Did you notice that Rainlillie is the first to use profanity? Did you notice that her URL tells you all you need to know about her: "great minds think like me". What becoming modesty. And I was taught that people started using profanity when they COULDN’T make their points in any other manner. Oh, and Rainlillie, before you accuse me, I joined the Air Force in 1973 and served 22 years, and I am a Republican. So, there goes your argument. So, in your parlance, time for you to STFU (as we used to say in the military). Oh, and I was living in North Carolina when John Edwards was representing us "HAH" in the Senate. It soon became obvious that the only reason he sought office was to start his presidential campaign. He was too busy flying around the country to actually sit in the Senate and vote our state interests. Also, as an attorney, I despise lawyers who sue productive people and particularly who sue doctors and win cases by ’channeling’ dead or injured babies. I was a prosecutor, so I hold my head high. I also don’t live in a McMansion, so I am not a hypocrite in that arena either. Edwards is a joke, and his wife needs to shut it. She is embarrasing herself and him.
 
Written By: "Rand"y
URL: http://
Tim, you’re correct. I was born in 1953 like Edwards and had a draft lottery number of 121. My best friend was #7 and was certain he would be drafted. As it turned out, none of us were. The Nixon administration was reducing the size of the force by then. Edwards would have registered when he turned 18 but by the winter of 1972 when his (and my) lottery number was assigned the selective service didn’t draft anyone, not even lottery number "1".
 
Written By: Palmetto Mouse Jockey
URL: http://
Edwards would have registered when he turned 18 but by the winter of 1972 when his (and my) lottery number was assigned the selective service didn’t draft anyone, not even lottery number "1".
That’s not correct ... 646 were indeed drafted in that particular lottery (almost 50,000 were drafted in the ’71 lottery) which means at least number "1" was drafted. The draft was then suspended and officially ended on July 1st, 1972 as we shifted to an all volunteer military.

And again, the question isn’t whether he would have been drafted (in fact, that’s irrelevant), but whether he had a deferment.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
Excuse me for the late appearance, but didn’t the military stop sending draftees to Vietnam in 1969?

Note: 06/15/1953: #16, enlisted 03/29/72 so as not to be a groundpounder
 
Written By: Sharpshooter
URL: http://
Excuse me for the late appearance, but didn’t the military stop sending draftees to Vietnam in 1969?
No.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog

 
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