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The Real Hillary - Part II (update)
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, October 09, 2007

I asked a few questions yesterday concerning the little sparing session which took place at a Hillary rally over the weekend. I said:
Let's see if, in the spirit of the Rolph question, she can learn from a mistake. Of course that probably doesn't mean more self-control on her part, but instead even tighter scripting and stage-managing of events (can pre-screened questions be far off?).
Apparently it is going to be the latter.
As Hillary Rodham Clinton delivered her stump speech at a rally here on Monday night, Luke Gran stood among the throngs with his hand thrust in the air, eager for Mrs. Clinton to call on him to ask a question.

Mrs. Clinton never did. Nor did she take any questions from average voters at her four other events Monday. Nor has she, with a few exceptions, since Labor Day.

A review of Mrs. Clinton’s daily campaign schedules during the last five weeks says a great deal about her candidacy right now: She has mostly delivered speeches, attended candidate debates, forums, and fund-raisers, and headlined rallies. As Adam Nagourney points out in a story in The Times today, she is running a classic front-runner campaign, holding fewer unpredictable events where voters can lob bombshells at her – even though such events that were once a staple of her schedule, and are still common for rivals like Barack Obama and John Edwards.
Now in fairness, being the obvious front runner, that's a smart way to run a campaign - limiting "unpredictable events" that is. While it would be wonderful to have open events with open questions, no politician likes surprises or to risk the opportunity for a gaffe or a "macaca" incident when it isn't really necessary.

That said, in the case of Hillary Clinton, I see the use of 'front runner' more of an excuse to go to her preferred method of campaigning rather than doing so because it is 'smart'. I don't think she really is that comfortable with dealing with the masses and frankly I feel she grits her teeth while doing so now.

But if she wins the nomination, she's going to be right back in the situation where more open events are again called for, in fact, demanded. I have to wonder if shutting these events down with the excuse of being the front runner won't, in the long-run work to her disadvantage. Seems to me conditioning for this sort of thing would be something the campaign might see as important when the focus on her is much more intense than it is now and a blow up like she had in Iowa would be much more damaging then than now.

UPDATE:
More of the same here.
 
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Completely closed events didn’t hurt Bush. He’s won while keeping the questions mostly to the "how do you look so swell while defending freedom so well" variety. Now I think that kind of event sucks, but if you’re going to keep your election coverage horse-racish and analytical, Bush succeeded with the tactic.
 
Written By: Retief
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In 2000, I had a chance to participate in the local public TV station’s Voice of the Voter program with Hillary when she was running for senate for the first time. I had participated earlier in one for county executive. In that earlier one, the producers helped us word our questions and choose topics that had not been covered by others, but we were free to ask what we wanted (mine was directed at the democrat candidate’s discussion of "smart growth"). For Hillary, all questions had to be submitted in advance and approved by her campaign. I declined to participate and was not asked to again.
 
Written By: Ed Trefzger
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Yeah, Hillary seems to be taking a bit from Bush’s book there. Of course, in an era where ’gotcha games’ (like the ’macaca affair’) have replaced real discussion, well scripted speeches with little deviation are not only smart, but probably inevitable. It’s not the ideas, it’s a slip of a tongue that matters, and you have all sorts of people following others around with camcorders and the like, ready to leap on someone who has a moment of stupidity (which all humans have, several times a day in most cases). It’s another bit of distance between the candidates and the voters, and another negative of American politics. To me, it’s even a voting issue. Here Susan Collins as asked the Allen campaign for mutual agreement not to campaign that way, as it doesn’t represents Maine’s political style. So far, I believe Allen has refused, which is a huge knock against him in my book.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
"Yeah, Hillary seems to be taking a bit from Bush’s book there."
Yeah.

What’s amazing about the woman is that she was privy to "Bush’s book" way back in ’92 during the 60 Minutes interview with Steve Kroft.

{snicker}

Scott Erb: bubble-gum machine historian.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
Has Hillary ever taken questions at a press conference?

I don’t think it’s possible.

"Senator Clinton, this past week Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas published a memoir in which he discussed the controversy at his confirmation hearings over the allegation that he sexually harassed Anita Hill. Are you still a strong supporter of Anita Hill and do you consider your husband’s treatment of White House intern Monica Lewinsky to be more or less egregious than the allegations made by Hill against Thomas?"

"Your confidate and former White House aide Sidney Blumenthal, during the investigation of your husband’s conduct, attempted to get his friends in the media to portray Ms. Lewinsky as a psychologically unstable stalker of your husband. Do you condone that effort by Blumenthal? Were you aware that he was attempting to do it? Did you approve the effort?"

"Senator Clinton, in your vote to give President Bush the authority to use military force against Iraq and the Hussein regime, you cited your experience during your husband’s administration in dealing with the danger posed by Hussein. When your husband ordered the bombing of Iraq during December 1998 in Operation Desert Fox, did you believe that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq under Hussein’s control? And as a follow-up to that, what do you think happened to those weapons between 1998 and 2003?"

"Do you think that Operation Desert Fox, initiated because Saddam Hussein was not cooperating with UN weapons inspectors, which resulted in no further weapons inspections for four years, was a successful military operation?"

You see, everything about Hillary Clinton is one lie compacted into another. She cannot submit to serious questioning. And only an insane person, hungry beyond imagination for power, would even be running for president with the record and background that she has as a partner in her husband’s presidency.

Strikingly, Hillary’s two opponents for the nomination have even less justification for seeking the presidency. Hillary’s only qualification that places her above them is that her compaction of endless lies and hunger for power beyond imagination has somehow been shaped to look like "leadership experience."

Answer questions? She can’t even be asked the questions, and God help the reporter who tries to ask them.

That is what you’ve got to know about Hillary Clinton.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Strikingly, Hillary’s two opponents for the nomination have even less justification for seeking the presidency. Hillary’s only qualification that places her above them is that her compaction of endless lies and hunger for power beyond imagination has somehow been shaped to look like "leadership experience."
Yep, and now she’s signed on Sandy [top secret documents in my pants] Berger as an adviser. He’s proved himself invaluable in destroying embarrassing documents.
 
Written By: Bob
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Yeah, Bush only attends closed events.
 
Written By: Don
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Seems like she is going to help the 51% vote themselves the money from the other 49% in order to win.

Via to Drudge she is floating a $1k match to a universal 401(k). That’s in addition to the $5k for each kid.
 
Written By: jpm100
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Apparently she’s backed off the $5k For Kids program. But, yeah, her new plan is to "give" (you and I give, that is) $1k for a government 401(k). I guess she’s following through on her promise to take things away from people on behalf of (defined by her) common good.

"Clinton said she wants to create ’American Retirement Accounts’ in which each family could put up to $5,000 annually in a 401(k) plan. The federal government would provide a tax cut to match the first $1,000 for any household that brings in less than $60,000 a year and 50 percent of the first $1,000 for those that make $60,000-$100,000."

Conversely, we could all be allowed to keep our money and invest it as we see fit. But I guess Hill doesn’t see us as free people.

Does a household making $60k-$100k a year need this coddling from government? This is socialism in action and just a glimpse at a future under a Hillary presidency.

 
Written By: the wolf
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Well, gee, why don’t they just, hmmm, take that tax cut off of FICA, and put it in a private retirement account.

Sounds familiar...
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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"Clinton said she wants to create ’American Retirement Accounts’ in which each family could put up to $5,000 annually in a 401(k) plan. The federal government would provide a tax cut to match the first $1,000 for any household that brings in less than $60,000 a year and 50 percent of the first $1,000 for those that make $60,000-$100,000."
No thanks Hillary, my family and I will take care of ourselves if you don’t mind.

Work ethic is becoming replaced by cradle to grave teat sucking
 
Written By: shark
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I thought that all the Democratic candidates should have done the FoxNews debate that they all backed out of, and should have done it with Ann Coulter.

These guys (and gal) need to get tough.
 
Written By: Neo
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What’s amazing about the woman is that she was privy to "Bush’s book" way back in ’92 during the 60 Minutes interview with Steve Kroft.
In her campaign for the Presidency she’s using tactics much like those Bush used. You don’t deny it. So she is taking a page from Bush’s book. The 1992 campaign by the Clinton’s wasn’t near as scripted.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Boris Erb writes:
In her campaign for the Presidency she’s using tactics much like those Bush used.
Shucks, Boris, you make them po’ ignorant Clintons sound like they never been through a presidential contest before and they got to steal the "Bush book."

Does Hillary hang out on the campaign buses and planes with reporters the way Bush did? Do they ever ask her questions?
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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They wouldn’t dare.
 
Written By: Bithead
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In her campaign for the Presidency she’s using tactics much like those Bush used. You don’t deny it. So she is taking a page from Bush’s book. The 1992 campaign by the Clinton’s wasn’t near as scripted.
Another point goes sailing over your head. Do you moonlight as a goalpost on the weekends?

Clinton was doing this in 1992. Therefore she couldn’t have borrowed this tactic from Bush, more like the other way around.

I’m guessing professors in Maine don’t get breaks longer than 15 minutes, or else they’d need retraining.
 
Written By: Steverino
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Clinton was doing this in 1992. Therefore she couldn’t have borrowed this tactic from Bush, more like the other way around.
No, I don’t think she operated that way in 1992. I think the same pressures which caused Bush to script events is causing Hillary to do the same thing.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Perhaps you should ask Dick Morris?
 
Written By: Bithead
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Is Bush causing you to script your posts?
 
Written By: coater
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Perhaps you should ask Dick Morris?
Don’t need to.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
why not? if anyone knows the inner workings of Clinton’s campaign it would certaintly be Dick Morris.

Unless, of course, you dismiss offhandedly the information the person who would best know has because you disagree with him politically. But no, you wouldn’t do that, would you?
 
Written By: Joel C.
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Joel writes:
Unless, of course, you dismiss offhandedly the information the person who would best know has because you disagree with him politically. But no, you wouldn’t do that, would you?
You know, with Boris, it really isn’t so much about politics. Politics is just the celluloid from which the two-dimensional mind projects its image onto the screen. Dick Morris, as confused as he is, is not someone confined to a height and width reality. Morris also concerns himself with depth and duration, and that’s two dimensions too many for Boris. That would get him into a semblance of a confrontation with context, and he doesn’t want anything to do with that.

And, Mr. Rogers is my witness, Boris wants the two-dimensional facts and only the two-dimensional facts!
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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why not? if anyone knows the inner workings of Clinton’s campaign it would certaintly be Dick Morris.
Because I don’t need to, one can easily see how different campaigns are now than in 1992. In this You-Tube age they are far more scripted, I recall Bill Clinton in numerous conversations with voters and informal discussions. Hillary is going to campaign more like Bush than Bill.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Boris Erb fabricates:
Because I don’t need to, one can easily see how different campaigns are now than in 1992. In this You-Tube age they are far more scripted, I recall Bill Clinton in numerous conversations with voters and informal discussions. Hillary is going to campaign more like Bush than Bill.
Well, for starters, Boris, YouTube didn’t exist during George Bush’s last campaign. So, Bush never campaigned in "this You-Tube age."

He did spend a serious amount of time with reporters, hanging out with them in fact on campaign buses and planes, during his 2000 campaign. Of course, we won’t see Hillary doing that, and frankly I don’t think that the reporters would much care for it either. One slip of the tongue and the wrong kind of question, and who knows what might happen to them.

For instance: "Senator, did your husband’s treatment of Monica Lewinsky mark the end of progress for women gaining respect in the workplace? If the president would treat a young woman like that, wasn’t that a signal that the boss has his privileges?"

Or: "Your previous universal health-care proposal, during your husband’s first term, is generally credited with causing the Democratic Party to lose both houses of Congress in the 1994 elections. What makes you think that you understand the importance of market forces in making health insurance available in the first place, let alone sufficient understanding to interfere with those market forces at the risk of causing a significant deterioration in the quality and availability of health care services?"

 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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"And, Mr. Rogers is my witness, Boris wants the two-dimensional facts and only the two-dimensional facts!"
But, man, he gets the way-gone 3D effects from that ridiculous sweater. Jeezis. That thing has got to go.
"Of course, we won’t see Hillary doing that, and frankly I don’t think that the reporters would much care for it either. One slip of the tongue and the wrong kind of question, and who knows what might happen to them.

For instance: ’Senator,...’"
"...was it on the 20th or the 23rd Dee Dee Meyers first lied to the press?"

Or:
"Your previous universal health-care proposal, during your husband’s first term,..."
...didn’t you tell a deputy White House counsel to "Just fix it, Vince!" after Ira Magaziner filed a false affidavit in federal court?
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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Beck writes:
...didn’t you tell a deputy White House counsel to "Just fix it, Vince!" after Ira Magaziner filed a false affidavit in federal court?
"Oh, that’s just more of the vast right-wing conspiracy to undermine my husband’s presidency."

[Penetrating death-glare at reporter who asked question.]

"Any more questions?"

I have never seen a press corps more uncurious than during the Clinton administration. There was so much off-limits in those years that they wound up giving a year of coverage to some fat girl who had been blowing the President, to protestations that "it’s just about sex." (Well, not for the fat girl, who got a nice job at the Pentagon out of it. Take that, Paula Jones, you could have been running the Arkansas gaming commission — if there is one — by now. I guess that’s the last time you’ll refuse to kiss a throbbing steed!)

Better, I suppose, than dwelling too long on the national security problems, the decimation of the military, and the dirty money rolling in from China and Indonesia. And thank God those final days pardons and looting of the White House knocked the fat girl out of the picture, just in the nick of time to replace sexual molestation with garden variety venality and stealing stuff from the hotel room, things all Americans can relate to.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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LOL.

I kind of miss the Wee Willy administration. somehow, with my warped sense of humor, I seemed to laugh every day, no matter how sordid and vile the behavior. One of my favorite incidents was fairly early in the Whitewater mess, I think, when, after some Whitewater money needed to be accounted for, it was revealed that Willy the Wanker’s mother had received a $20,000 loan fromm Mr. Wanker(or so it was claimed) which he claimed to have forgotten about. This was not long after the Clinton machine had been going on about how poor the Clintons were. No documentation, just ’Oh, now I remember. I loaned my mommy twenty grand. That’s where the money went." Watching the Priapic Presidency was like watching an evil Three Stooges.
 
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