"...much more accurate to say Democrats exploited a 12 year old for political purposes..."
Unlike, say Bush’s use of Ashley Faulkner, who’s mother died in 9/11 in 2004 ads?
From the Salon article:
"Fortunately for Bush, no debate arose over the ethics of using a motherless child in a campaign commercial. In the past, grieving parents have occasionally filmed spots for candidates, often regarding crime and punishment issues. But rarely have children been used to talk about the death of a parent in the context, even indirectly, of presidential politics. "When I heard about the idea I thought there was a potential problem with exploitation," says Green."
I guess the left treated Ashley and her family with a little more courtesy. Am I right in concluding that you are saying she was fair-game and should have been investigated and discredited? |
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Well, I suppose if Ashley HADN’T lost her mother at the WTC, the left would have pounced on it.
Would that have been OK??
Other then that fact, what was there to discredit? |
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Unlike, say Bush’s use of Ashley Faulkner, who’s mother died in 9/11 in 2004 ads? No one here is claiming that both sides aren’t guilty of political exploitation. Instead we’re talking about this particular case of exploitation and the reaction to it.
I assume by your reply you agree it was a case of exploitation and the "they do it to" is the best rebuttal you have. |
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By July, a production crew hired by the Progress for America Voter Fund, a Republican special-interest group, was filming the commercial at the Faulkners’ home. The Bush campaign saved it for the end and released it in October. And who exactly did this, I mean, decided to use it. Sounds like it was the PAVF, and not the Bush campaign that made the commercial and decided to run it.
Graeme was selected to speak on behalf of Democrats, by Democrats.
But I would agree to a moratorium on the use of ANY CHILDREN in any collaboration with politicians of any party. So, no more lining up kids behind a politician anywhere for any political purpose. No more using children as spokespeople for any political issue.
I can live with that, but I doubt the liberal/leftist/progressive/democrats would agree to it.
And lest anyone think 9/11 should be verboten in campaign commercials...At nearly the same time that "Ashley’s Story" was released, Democrats began airing their own ad featuring a 9/11 next of kin. New Jersey 9/11 widow Kristen Breitweiser, speaking into the camera, talked about Bush’s opposition to the 9/11 commission. |
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Unlike, say Bush’s use of Ashley Faulkner, who’s mother died in 9/11 in 2004 ads? Not that you had any credibility after your rants of the last few days, but when I read this, I merely thought ’what a maroon’. |
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My point, for the sake of meagain, was that both left and right have used children as spokepeople (often) but I don’t think you can find a single case where the left went after the family as the way to respond.
This reminds me of the personal savaging that Terry Schiavo’s husband suffered. None of which had anything to do with the issue of leaving the decision about maintaining someone on life support to the family and their physicians instead of to politicians. |
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My point, for the sake of meagain, was that both left and right have used children as spokepeople (often) but I don’t think you can find a single case where the left went after the family as the way to respond. Huh. You don’t suppose their portrayal of the child was accurate do you? And of course, you have to wonder if what the child said was written for them by Congressional staffers and used as a political rebuttal by a political party, don’t you?
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If Ashley Faulkner was trying to scam some money out of me, I would encourage anybody, left or right, to expose the heinous Faulkner Crime Family as the rapscallions they are.
Face it, your demagoguing douchetools in Congress dropped the ball here in an extremely embarassing fashion. They pushed out in front the exact poster family the right could point at and say, "Here’s why we oppose this expansion."
Don’t compound their idiocy by trying, feebly, to defend it. |
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Petards or Retards? |
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Well, I suppose if Ashley HADN’T lost her mother at the WTC, the left would have pounced on it.
Would that have been OK?? And there’s the whole point, Keith. The democrats pitched this SCHIP has adressing a need.
The poster child they chose wasn’t needy, by virtue of a lack of money, but by mis-planning parents who didn’t want to take responsibility for the five kids they squirted out. Brutal, but then again the truth often is.
Even if one assumes that S-CHIP is the way to go, the Democrats messed up the PR effort by picking the wrong poster child.
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Wait wait wait wait wait....how does this analogy work?This is like saying "it’s your fault if you lead your cow into a river full of piranha." Your cow?
You lead?
into River full of pirhana?
Who’s fault would that be? (Duh looker! The pirhanas of course!)
Good heavens! No wonder they’re surprised by the reaction, they don’t think it’s they’re fault they dragged the Frosts into this.
Of course if you lead your cow into a river full of Pirhana’s it’s your fault!
Now if they came up with an accurate analogy, we’d be able to place blame so that’s right out.
Can’t they even come up with a decent analogy?
They (The dems) can’t even accept personal responsibility in a frickin analogy they create!
BitHead - BINGOOOOOOOOOOOO! but they don’t want to hear that - it’s about to become another MoveOn vs Rush Limbaugh moment in the blogosphere (see, we already have the use of Ashley Faulkner). |
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Look, this is all very simple:
The Frosts can’t pay their medical bills.
Therefore, the government should pay their medical bills.
QED.
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Unlike, say Bush’s use of Ashley Faulkner, who’s mother died in 9/11 in 2004 ads? What one was that? Nice Salon link but I’m not registered, so here is a guess: the late teens girl who met Bush at some rally or something who told him about her mom dying in the WTC, he hugged her, and someone took a picture. I remember that. |
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The Frosts can’t pay their medical bills.
Therefore, the government should pay their medical bills.
QED. Correction, the government already DID pay their medical bills.
Now, we needed to expand the program because?
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The irony is that with the family income level claimed, they were already under 2x the poverty level for a family of 7. Most states require around 2x to qualify for S-CHIP and most eastern states are even >2x.
http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/07poverty.shtml
In other words, they should have been covered by S-CHIP already if their claims were accurate.
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As for the theatrics claim, let’s review what it was that Graeme Frost delivered, shall we? Oh, yes, the Democratic response, written by Democratic Congressional staffers on the SCHIP legislation. A political response. So...people aren’t supposed to get involved in politics.
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"So...people aren’t supposed to get involved in politics."
No, people should be able to figure out when they are being used for politics.
I suspect Cindy Sheehan is standing around in an empty room wondering what happened to all her friends and family.
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So...people aren’t supposed to get involved in politics. Adults should be involved in politics.
Children really shouldn’t be... |
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What one was that? Nice Salon link but I’m not registered, so here is a guess: the late teens girl who met Bush at some rally or something who told him about her mom dying in the WTC, he hugged her, and someone took a picture. I remember that. Yep, obviously a fabrication by the VRWC. |
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