According to George Tennent, AQ wasn’t in Iraq when we invaded. If you follow the war closely, you’ll note that its the Iraqis who are encouraging them to leave. AQ has been a minor player in Iraq. Its not AQ that has had us on our heels its IRAN.
The Iraqi prime minister says that Iraq is the victem of two occupations, one by the Americans in the north one by the Iranians in the south.
Those cheering our recent progress in Iraq were talking have been talking about how well the war has been going for years now. They prove Lincoln was right. You really can fool some of the people all the time.
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The Iraqi prime minister says that Iraq is the victem of two occupations, one by the Americans in the north one by the Iranians in the south. Pray, which altenate universe did that occur in?
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The Iraqis have not thrown in with us, at least not permanently. They seem to have (finally) decided that AQ is a pain, so they’ve temporarily stopped their intramural fighting in order to go after AQ.
And even if they/we are successful in eliminating AQ as a threat, one seems to overlook that this will simply take us back in time a few years before AQ mobilized in Iraq and we were dealing with the insurgency (Sunnis trying to hold on to power, the Shiites settling old scores). There’s nothing to indicate that the Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds have decided to kiss and make up, nothing to indicate that they won’t return to fighting among themselves once they get rid of the common threat.
Yes, it’s great that our troops are killing AQ. But that doesn’t mean we’re winning, at least not as Bush and company have previously defined winning. For all the talk about the military progress, there hasn’t been a lot of evidence that Iraq is on its way to being that shining example of democracy that will inspire the world. Remember, that is what the surge was supposed to accomplish: buy time and quiet to allow everybody to grab a coke and head for the nearest hill to hold hands and sing songs together. Well, the surge has bought some (relative) peace and quiet... where’s all the hand holding?
And if we’re not going to leave until that happens, then yes, we’re in a quagmire.
Of course Bush could, as I wish he would, move the goalposts and give up on this crazy idea he had that he could get the Iraqis to live together in peace. Let Bush declare that with the ’defeat’ of AQ, the war has been won (I think there’s a banner somewhere that says something to that effect) and pull our troops home. |
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Al Queda was there with Zarquawi and with Mullah Krekar. In addition, IIS(Mukharabat) documents reveal training of Salafist Algeria GIA and Wahhabi Abu Sayyaf among other elements in Salman Pak and other sites. One would think that Bin Laden; who never directed his forces against Saddam in any significant way;
wouldn’t have to rally the troops in this way. However, much like the Taliban found out after the initial embrace by the people a decade ago; during the aftermath of the Afghan Civil War; the appeal of Salafi/ Wahhabism has become as they said in Spinal Tap "more and more selective" |
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Unfortunely, I was hoping UBL would make an appearance with that ghastly beard just in time for Holoween, but instead we get an audio tape with some washed up guy mumbling about his disunited group on hard times. His "fifteen minutes" are about up.
My guess is that the MSM won’t even give this tape till tomorrow afternoon before it is lost from the radar, as once again, as Harry Reid said .. the "war is lost" in Iraq, he merely had the winner wrong.
Meanwhile, Steve Sturm writes like a dying fish that just won’t admit that it’s dying. "And even if they/we are successful" does begin any sentence that has any conviction about "move the goalposts". It instead reminds me of Steve Martin playing the poor broken man in "The Jerk" saying .. all I need is this ashtray and this cigarette lighter and this ... Keep spinning it till you feel better. It’s all you got. |
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No. No quagmire at all. The Kurds in Iraq are attacking Turkish and Iranian forces in their own countries. Turkey is on the verge of invading Kurdistan/Iraq. Now "Iraq" may actually turn against its own province to support Turkey. MEanwhile, we are arming to the teeth Sunni tirbesmen who were killing Americans until last week. We supoort everyone and no one in Iraq. We are throwing money and munitions at anyone who claims to be against AQ, even though AQ is not and never was the major problem in Iraq. (Not to mention it didn’t even exist until we got there.)
Poland is about to pull out of Irag. Britain is nearly gone. Iran continues its march toward nuclear weapons. Pakistan is on the verge of imploding. China and Russsia laugh in our faces. The U.S. has pulled the string and de-stabilized the entire region. At a staggering cost in money, materiel, and lives, not to mention international stature and prestige. And because our credibilty is in tattters, we couldn’t round up a coalition that would fit in a phone booth even if the word were afire. No, no quagmire. All according to plan. Good work. |
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reminds me of Steve Martin playing the poor broken man in "The Jerk" saying .. all I need is this ashtray and this cigarette lighter and this ... Keep spinning it till you feel better. Immediatly followed by:Poland is about to pull out of Irag. Britain is nearly gone. Iran continues its march toward nuclear weapons. Pakistan is on the verge of imploding. China and Russsia laugh in our faces. The U.S. has pulled the string and de-stabilized the entire region. and my soufflé fell today |
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Well, if it’s not a quagmire, let’s hear about how and when we’ll be marching on out of that totally solid, non-quagmirish adventure. |
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