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While we’re discussing the fall of western civilization...
Posted by: Billy Hollis on Tuesday, October 30, 2007

Via Tam (who got it from Stephen Bodio), we see yet another sign of the times in Massachusetts, where the Boston Globe reports that residents are running scared from turkeys and taking shelter in donut shops:
"He came at me and, at first, I tried to shoo him away," Smith recalled. "I figured I'd just go 'Shoo!' and he'd go. But he was very aggressive."

Smith said she escaped by ducking into the Dunkin' Donuts on Beacon Street.
As Tam says:
Look, when the turkey gets up in your face, you kill it and eat it. Stuffed with cornbread. Don't you people know anything?
That's the difference between red and blue states in a nutshell. They see turkeys as a threat. In the South, we see them as game.

The article goes on to explain that wild turkeys are back in the area after a hiatus:
Wild turkeys - the official game bird of Massachusetts - are impressive animals that can grow to be roughly 20 pounds and 4 feet tall. By 1851, they had been eliminated from Massachusetts, a victim of hunting.

"We were turkey-less for many years," said Wayne Petersen, director of the Massachusetts Audubon Society's Important Birds Area Program.

No, I'm afraid that's not true, Mr. Petersen. Massachusetts has always had plenty of turkeys. How long has Ted Kennedy been your senator, for example?
 
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More decline, in NY they are killing all cats so that they can reduce the number of birds at the airport.
 
Written By: unaha-closp
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Well, we have wild turkeys in our backyard all the time, deer sometimes, and I’ve even seen moose tracks nearby. Can’t say I’d want to shoot any of these though...not the thought of shooting so much as what I’d have to do afterwards to prepare the beast for roasting. But if western civilization falls, at least there is some food in the area.
 
Written By: Scott Erb
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A Møøse once bit my sister ...
 
Written By: Dale Franks
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No realli!
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Massachusetts has always had plenty of turkeys. How long has Ted Kennedy been your senator, for example?
I’ve never quite understood the right’s hatred of the the Commonwealth of Massachusettes. Wingnuts despise not just politicans from the state, or the state government. They truly despie everything about the state. The people; their traditions; their accents; everything.

It’s weird. The state is the birthplace of the American revolution. Home to many patriots. A state with a rich history of honoring the importance of the individual.

Stranger still, it is the home of Harvard and M.I.T. Two of the best universities in the United States. The home of Presidents Adams, Kennedy.

Morevoer, it’s a relatively prosperous state. And like most Blue states, it gives more to the federal government than it gets in return.

Most importantly, it has never declared war against the Unites States of America.

It’s a state that elected a Mormon Republican to lead it. Ironcally, the same Mormom Republican probably won’t get nominated by the GOP to be its leader precisely because he is a Mormon Republican.

So go ahead and rag on the Commonwealth. The hatred, as I have said is weird. It’ a hatred of the tolerance of the state, the prosperity of the state, and the great schools in the state. It’s a strange hatred of those things that make America great.

I don’t live in the state - never have. But why don’t you tell us Billy - what state, over all, is better?

I can’t wait for your answer.
 
Written By: mkultra
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And of course mkultra will back all of his statements up with proof.

Waiting........ (but not holding my breath)
 
Written By: John
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Facts listed are left alone, total crap, strawmen and pure speculation is highlighted in bold.....
I’ve never quite understood the right’s hatred of the the Commonwealth of Massachusettes. Wingnuts despise not just politicans from the state, or the state government. They truly despie everything about the state. The people; their traditions; their accents; everything.

It’s weird. The state is the birthplace of the American revolution. Home to many patriots. A state with a rich history of honoring the importance of the individual.

Stranger still, it is the home of Harvard and M.I.T. Two of the best universities in the United States. The home of Presidents Adams, Kennedy.

Morevoer, it’s a relatively prosperous state. And like most Blue states, it gives more to the federal government than it gets in return.

Most importantly, it has never declared war against the Unites States of America.

It’s a state that elected a Mormon Republican to lead it. Ironcally, the same Mormom Republican probably won’t get nominated by the GOP to be its leader precisely because he is a Mormon Republican.
So go ahead and rag on the Commonwealth. The hatred, as I have said is weird. It’ a hatred of the tolerance of the state, the prosperity of the state, and the great schools in the state. It’s a strange hatred of those things that make America great.
Please provide evidence.....
 
Written By: John
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Bonus points for anyone that can identify the commentor in this thread that has displayed any bigotry at all.
 
Written By: John
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And of course mkultra will back all of his statements up with proof.
Please provide evidence.....
So Romeny was not governor? Harvard is not in Cambridge, Mass? Kennedy was not from Mass? Adams?

If you actually are unaware of these facts, then how are you able to spell words?

Again, the latest winger tactic is to deny facts. It’s why it’s hard to even argue with wingers.

I am still awaiting an answer - what state is better than Mass - c’mon wingers. let’s hear it. Alabama? Mississippi? Georgia? Texas? South Carolina?

Don’t make me laugh.

The hatred on the right directed toward Mass. is made all the more weird presicely because the right believes that the "Wallace" states or other conservative states are somehow better. On what? median income? life expectancy? high school graduation rates? institutions of higher education? divorce rates?

What? C’mon wingers - let’s hear it.
 
Written By: mkultra
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A number of years ago I paired up with two fellas on a muni course in rural CO. These boys were strong and bought into the long-ball John Daly game. They were of course a bit wayward. One particular drive from one was quite off line, but low and hard - from where it impacted a grouse immediately took flight. The lad’s comment... Damn, that could have been dinner.

Priorities Scott and MK. While you may have abundant ’game’ in your back yard, the ability to kill, dress and cook said food is skill better not lost. And while there are many good folks of the New England Commonwealth that have not, their elected representatives, for the most part (including Romney), seemingly deign such pedestrian tasks beneath them. Almost as if they have taken on the anointed role of European aristocracy they helped shirk 240 years ago.
 
Written By: bains
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On what? median income? life expectancy? high school graduation rates? institutions of higher education?
uumhhh... Liberty?

Tell me MK, why have many Bay Staters relocated in the Granite State?
 
Written By: bains
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"A Møøse once bit my sister ... "

She must have hated that moose...
 
Written By: markm
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The hatred on the right directed toward Mass
Hmmm, and here we have another reason for the decline of discourse in the US.

I think you will find that many on the right don’t particularly care one way or another about the people of Mass. I will bet you that you’ll find plenty on the right who find the current political ideology of Mass. not to their liking.

But, I guess some people believe that all of politics is personal. If you hate someones political viewpoint, then you must hate that person.

Besides, Mass. can’t even pronounce Worchester correctly. Some how they’ve bastardized that to Wooster. I guess it must be the silent "rche" I’ve never heard about...
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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"A Møøse once bit my sister ... "
She must have hated that moose...
She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink".
 
Written By: Joel C.
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It seems that the effort to reduce gun ownership in Massachusetts is paying off in spades. Perhaps Massachusetts could discount hunting licenses, seeing as I know plenty of hunters who would love to be near wild turkeys as stupid as the ones mentioned in the article.
 
Written By: I_A
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I can’t wait for your answer.
Oh, well then, I guess there’s not much point in giving it since you won’t wait around to read it...

Hey, I got nothing much against Mass except that apparently the residents are silly enough to keep sending Kerry and Kennedy back to the Senate term after term. That, plus those Boston drivers are vicious, and the city is the hardest one in America to drive around in.

I’ll give you MIT, but I lost a lot of respect for Harvard when they pushed out Larry Summers (a Democrat and Clinton staffer!) over political correctness. I wonder if Harvard is just living on reputation and endowment.

But I spent a week in Waltham last year and it seemed no different from any other suburban community except that there’s something in the water that makes people unable to pronounce all their r’s properly.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Two things I love about Mass -

1. Red Sox!

2. Patriots!

MA is a nice place most of the time - lived there I guess about 15 years of my life. But something really strange happens in November... and Kennedy keeps getting elected in blowouts. I mean, how can you elect Kennedy and William Weld???

MIT still lives in the real world, I’m not so sure about Harvard.

Oh yeah, I just though of a 3rd thing I love about MA -

3. Boston in September - you have the Sox playing, the Pats playing, and you have an influx of over 200,000 18-25 year olds attending college. Of which about half are the females of the species. And the weather is still awesome. Makes for quite an end to summer ;-)
 
Written By: meagain
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"Worcester", there’s no h. It’s two syllables: "worce" and "ster". Drop the R in the first syllable a bit and there’s your "wooster".

—a Worcester Polytech graduate
 
Written By: kevin r
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Well meagain, for your two reasons, there are thousands of reasons why others dislike Mass - namely Sox fans and Pats fans. And Sox fans...

I’ve alwasy disliked the Yankees - primarily because of the arrogance of yankee fans - sox fans are quickly earning their team a similar place.
 
Written By: bains
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mkultra — humorless to the last.

It’s funny that he accuses Republicans of hating Massachusets when it’s clear from the post that Billy was engaging in some good-natured ribbing. Compare this to what the Dems say about Kansas or other Republican states. It is quite apparent mkultra is projecting.
 
Written By: Steverino
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I always thought that the DeadSox got exactly what they merited from the Yankees, speaking as a devout pinstripe hater. After all, any team that passed on both Robinson and Mays in favor of finally integrating with Pumpsie Green in 1960 deserved all the bad karma it got.
 
Written By: E. Brown
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Bains: There are a**hole fans of every team.

Steverino: Can’t remember where I read it, probably a blog, but I always liked the comment "When liberal presidential candidates fail to win votes in Kansas, Democrats don’t write a book called ’What’s The Matter With Liberal Presidential Candidates?’"
 
Written By: kevin r
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That’s the difference between red and blue states in a nutshell. They see turkeys as a threat. In the South, we see them as game.
That’s a curious statement.
According to the Pennsylvania (a blue state, mind you) Game Commission,
Pennsylvanians rank first in the nation in time spent hunting…
But we’re talking turkey right?
Unlike most states, where wild turkey populations were gone, Pennsylvania maintained our turkey hunting tradition. To this day fall turkey hunting is a major recreational tradition here. Pennsylvania typically has more fall turkey hunters than any other state.
So your nutshell is a bit cracked, don’t you think?
Okay, so Pennsylvania is not Massachusetts, but it’s definitely not the south. Also, second only to Alaska, Vermont has the highest number of hunters per capita.

I’ve always found these comparisons amusing. Besides, in any southern city, you’ll find urbanites scared of their own shadow.
And there are few things more amusing than seeing a cowboy, who reckons himself the roughest, toughest hombre west of the Pecos, running from a curious honeybee like a scared little girl.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Keith, you ought to be more worried about how ’we’ pronounced Gloucester.
Or how about ’Meh-fah’ instead of Medford (only if you’re FROM Medford....)
Peabody as Peebudee.

And who doesn’t like the accent? I’m endlessly entertained to hear actors trying to get it right.
I no longer own one myself, having intentionally lost it, sometimes found again when I talk with my siblings.

If only they’d stop sharing Ted Kennedy with the rest of us I might forgive them.




 
Written By: looker
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Pogue, Pennsylvania is a very red state outside of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. In fact about half the states population resides in the greater Philadelphia metro area and another large percentage is in the Pittsburgh metro area, about 3 million. Both of these areas are very blue although Philadelphia carries out more into the surrounding counties whilePittsburgh is only deeply blue in its core county. Pennsylvania has a population of about 12-13 million people. So the two large metropolitan areas are definitely blue and they drag the rest of the red state along with them by shear numbers alone. It is actually to the credit of the rural counties that they have been able to keep the hunting and gun owning traditions alive in state where the urban politicians are always trying to dismantle those rights.
 
Written By: ScotSaxon
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Looker beat me to it with ’Mehfah’, and you guys all seem to be missing it with ’Wustah’ - and it’s always amusing when a townie tells you to kiss his ’ahhs’.

As for Sox and Pats fans - I can only speak for myself. I suffered many a long year watching inept ownership, management, and play on the field. I am enjoying these last 6 years and have promised to keep my yapper shut when we fall back to mediocrity... at least for a few years. Until then? GO PATS!
 
Written By: meagain
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Speaking of those whacky Mass accents:

http://yupislyr.com/drewmike/redirect.php?file=/cliffnotes/perfectstorm.mp3

Cracks me up every time I hear it.
 
Written By: markm
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Pogue, Pennsylvania is a very red state outside of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.
Same reasoning applies to California, where outside the Bay area, Los Angeles and similar urban areas, the state tends red.
 
Written By: Don
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So Romeny was not governor? Harvard is not in Cambridge, Mass? Kennedy was not from Mass? Adams?

If you actually are unaware of these facts, then how are you able to spell words?

Again, the latest winger tactic is to deny facts. It’s why it’s hard to even argue with wingers.
One wonders how you make it as a lawyer . . .

Really, really stupid juries, perhaps?
 
Written By: Don
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Don,

I’m sure you noticed how he beclowned himself by misspelling "Romney."

I reserve the right to laugh at all politicians.
 
Written By: MarkD
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Pogue, Pennsylvania is a very red state outside of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia...
Yeah, I know.
But the same is true with most states. You have metropolitan areas that are blue, and rural areas that are red. Even in states like Alabama, Georgia, and New York, you have the same geopolitical make up. Metropolitan blue, rural red.
That’s the main reason why I find these comparisons amusing. A more apt comparison would be between “city folk” and “country folk”. Not red state blue state.

Also, when making these kind of stereotype differences between the red and blue states, it’s kinda’ unfair to pick on Massachusetts as a “blue state”.
The greater Boston area has 5.8 million people out of tiny Massachusetts’ total population of 6.4 million. Basically, Massachusetts is Boston.

So one would want to steak out character differences between red state and blue state by comparing something like Texas to… Boston!?!

Part of my work here in my rural like suburb near Houston, TX is honeybee and wildlife removal. So this story is very familiar to me. And I can tell you that I have experienced all types of people displaying all types of hysteria over the smallest of situations. And that often includes your stereotypical southerner.

Although I admit never seeing anyone scared of a turkey.

Cheers.



 
Written By: PogueMahone
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Although I admit never seeing anyone scared of a turkey.
Pogue - I recall reading a letter to the editor in the Boston Glob (intentional) when I was still a Bay Stater (Noath Show-ah, up with the other lace curtain Irish according to "The Departed").

Seems some lady from Brookline or Newton had taken little Johnny in to Boston and parked near the Commons to do some sightseeing.

Well, darn it, the State Police were having some kind of parade (and anyone who knows how Mass Stateies dress... Heil whatsisname) that involved lots of them, and some wearing their helmets and jackboots!
And when she got ready to leave, they wouldn’t let her go the way she wanted to go because they had the street blocked off for their helmeted jackbooted marching parade! And they were wearing helmets and jackboots! And marching! and this is a literal quote that always stuck with me - "my son felt like we were in the middle of a war torn city!" (I suspect little Johnny had lots of prior experience with war torn cities, don’t we all) because she couldn’t go the way she wanted and had to detour so as not to run amok on the parade route, which, knowing Mass State Troopers, would have wrecked her car and left them unfazed.
It was an outrage I’m tellin ya and by thunder she wanted the Editor to do something about it!
Imagine this same woman facing down a wandering turkey! It’d be Cujo all over again!

People who are afraid of turkeys obviously have never tried to eat their lunch on the Boston Common where the local squirrels point pistols at your head and demand their share.

 
Written By: looker
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"It’ a hatred of the tolerance of the state,"

"I don’t live in the state - never have."

The second sentence was unnecessary.

Aside from the politics, I always liked Mass., particularly in the fall when the leaves change. I lived on a lake in Charlton for a while, and it was absolutely gorgeous this time of the year. Boston is probably my favorite city, although Worcester wasn’t bad.
 
Written By: timactual
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The hatred on the right directed toward Mass. is made all the more weird presicely because the right believes that the "Wallace" states or other conservative states are somehow better.
Wallace states?
Your hatred is showin MK.

And, personal opinion, Texas is better to live in.
That’s why I live here, and not in Danvers or Beverly Massachusetts.
Both the wife and I grew up there and live here.
Now, pretty? Well, it has a lot to recommend it, and the people can be decent, I just disagree with the ’inside 128’ belt politically.

But you’re doing the ’feeling’ thing, not the actual ’had the experience’ thing, so blubber on.
 
Written By: looker
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"Boston is probably my favorite city, although Worcester wasn’t bad."

Spoken like someone who didn’t have to live in Worcester for 4 years... :)

Nah, I like Worcester, and Massachusetts and New England in general, politics aside. I keep thinking about moving back up there sometime... Virginia’s politics aren’t that great either, so it’s not like that’s keeping me here. Plus I’d get to watch all the Red Sox games without having to pay DirecTV out the nose.
 
Written By: kevin r
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Missed that part...

Yes, I think Indiana is a better place to live. Hence why I live here.

If I thought Indiana was a bad place to live, I’d move. And that would be why I don’t live in Connecticut anymore.

And darn my memory, I could swear that exit sign always said "Worchester." I still think you guys pronounce it funny.

I will say about turkeys, they are dam hard to hunt in the wild. Least here in Indiana, for me. Also had a friend from PA who hunted them for 18 years before he got one. Saw plenty of them, just not within the regulations for actually shooting them.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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Nah, I like Worcester, and Massachusetts and New England in general, politics aside. I keep thinking about moving back up there sometime... Virginia’s politics aren’t that great either, so it’s not like that’s keeping me here.
Personally, N.E. is a great place to visit (parents still live there,) but I wouldn’t want to move back.

Tell me where I could find a 3000sq ft on 2 acres of land for under $200K, within 30-45 minute commute of work. And our property taxes are only something around $1400 for the year. Clean, farm fresh air. Nearest neighbor is 400 yards away. And the people are nice, and the pace slower.
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
URL: http://asecondhandconjecture.com
Besides, in any southern city, you’ll find urbanites scared of their own shadow.
Yes. But down here, most of them are ashamed of it.
 
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