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IED, EFPs and clearing caches
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, November 06, 2007

The biggest killer of US troops in Iraq is and has been the IED/EFP.

IED stands for Improvised Explosive Device and is primarily a bomb which is usually fashioned from explosives or artillery munitions and includes a detonation device. It is normally the size of the explosion as well as timing which makes them so lethal. An EFP on the other hand, is a Explosively Formed Penetrator. Another description is a shape-charge. A copper disc or discs are used and a directed blast turns the copper cone shaped disc into a molten penetrator that will kill an Abrams tank if it hits it right. You can imagine what it will do to a Humvee.

Of course the EFP components are suspected to be coming in from Iran. Below are a couple of pictures which show caches in which large numbers of EFPs were found.





Obviously the pictures denote some success in finding these caches and clearing them. So how has that been going recently since our change in tactics? Well Rear Adm. Greg Smith, MNF-I, brought everyone up to date today:



In fact, in the first ten months of 2007, coalition and Iraqi Security Forces have found and cleared 5,364 caches, up from 2,667 in all of 2006. That is a significant increase. It also speaks to an increase in actionable intelligence which is most likely a by-product of the COIN strategy. And the results, in terms of casualties for US troops, has consequently shown a marked decrease.



In fact IED/EFP attacks have decreased by 50% since the change of tactics.

Indirect fire - mortars, rockets - are also a problem. And again, caches provide the munitions, for the most part, that supply insurgent indirect fire. More success in finding those caches is also apparent. Below is a huge one they found in North Fallujah.



As a result of these successes, indirect fire incidents are also down markedly since the change of tactics.



All of that adds up to measurable success in the security picture in Iraq. And yes, the standard disclaimer applies: national political progress is the metric that we all agree will define total success in Iraq. But given what you see above, it gets harder and harder for detractors to continue to state that nothing has changed there.
 
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And yes, the standard disclaimer applies: national political progress is the metric that we all agree will define total success in Iraq.
You must be out of the loop, McQ. That rationale is no longer operable. "National political progress" is obsolete. "Bottom-up awakenings" are the new goalposts. Although I must observe that you’re getting warmer by now labeling national unity as "total success." Total success. Clever. It won’t be long before McQ is writing that national unity was never the real goal. Just like McQ used to say (for about 3 years) that we were leaving Iraq imminently. Yes, I can see the new goalposts getting planted already, somewhere about the 40-yard line, I’d say. Of course, we still can’t leave Iraq. We have to stay and keep chasing the goalposts around the desert. Of course. Not like there’s anything else happening around the world. Huh?
 
Written By: David Shaughnessy
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I’m curious, David: when you wake up in the morning do you look at yourself in the mirror and say ’Today, I’m gonna be a jack@ss’ or does it manifest when you sit behind a computer?
 
Written By: Joel C.
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Of course, "Bottom-up awakenings" have absolutely nothing to do with "National political progress," am I right?
 
Written By: Jordan
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I’m curious, David: when you wake up in the morning do you look at yourself in the mirror and say ’Today, I’m gonna be a jack@ss’ or does it manifest when you sit behind a computer?
And I’m curious, Joel C., do you wake up every day and bow to a photograph of George Bush? . . . Nah, I’m not really curious.
 
Written By: David Shaughnessy
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You really are a moron.

I’ve raised serious points which are at odds with President Bush on many, many issues. I do not ’bow’ at any political altar.

What I’m also against is a. quasi-intellectuals like certain professors I know and have bumped into and b. people like you who are incapable of calling a spade a spade because it goes against your political beliefs.

There is empirical, hard, unequivocal evidence that progress is being made in Iraq. Serious progress. Yet you come on and moan and whine and complain about ’goalposts’.

Here’s the kicker: You claim that the President constantly raises the goal posts in Iraq, which is partly true: goals are met, others fail, and new ones set up. It’s what happens in wars, but you’d know that if you’d bother to read up on any war in history. But what you don’t realize is that you yourself have removed even the possibility of there ever being even a shred of success in Iraq. You have, in your deluded mind, already surrendered and left while we still have people fighting over there. It’s a foregone conclusion that doesn’t even merit debating or discussion, which is why you complain and whine about ’goal posts’ whenever something even slightly positive is mentioned concerning Iraq.

The last time I saw this kind of resigned defeatism is was being uttered by another walking void, Senator Reid. Before that: the French in WWII.

So please, the next time you have a thought...let it go. -Ron ’Tater Salad’ White.
 
Written By: Joel C.
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And I’m curious, Joel C., do you wake up every day and bow to a photograph of George Bush?


Wow.

David has figured out the essence of the Great Right Wing Conspriacy.
 
Written By: Don
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And I’m curious, Joel C., do you wake up every day and bow to a photograph of George Bush?


Wow.

David has figured out the essence of the Great Right Wing Conspriacy.
Photos!!? You guys have photos?

I’ve had to make do with a Curious George doll wearing a little sweater with GW written on it in indelible marker.
I have a little alter set up, candles, incense, plastic flowers, you know, the whole thing.


 
Written By: looker
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Come on Don...

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.
 
Written By: meagain
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Genuflect before the graven image of George Bush? Pah. Now, if you’re talking Our Dark Master Darth Rove, that’s another matter entirely.
 
Written By: Achillea
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Our Dark Master Darth Rove
All Hail Bush’s Brain..
All Hail Our Dark Lord and Master....

We do not kneel beofre the image, we SACRIFICE before the image....as the telescreens watch.
 
Written By: Joe
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Hey, geniuses, how are things going in Pakistan? Afghanistan? Turkey? Iraq? Iran? Russia? China? Palestine?

I know, I know, none of it is Bush’s fault. He just happens to be the president. And (cue the talkingpoint), he must have forgotten his Superman Costume again. Yuk. Yuk. OK, then:
The last time I saw this kind of resigned defeatism is was being uttered by another walking void, Senator Reid. Before that: the French in WWII.
Damn that Harry Ried. And damn those French people. Thank god we have god on our side.
 
Written By: David Shaughnessy
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Hey, geniuses, how are things going in Pakistan? Afghanistan? Turkey? Iraq? Iran? Russia? China? Palestine?

I know, I know, none of it is Bush’s fault. He just happens to be the president.
alright,

let’s do this: why don’t you explain to us exactly what you expect the President to do about Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, Russia, China and Palestine considering your stance on Iraq. Take your time.

Pakistan: Nothing we can do about it, except you plan on invading it, too. Kinda hard, considering they actually HAVE nukes.

Turkey: can’t really do much about that, either, aside from what we’re doing (which, btw, appears to be working moron)

Iran: what do you propose we do here? We could bomb them, too, if you’d like.

Iraq: things ARE looking up there, bucko.

Russia: has the bomb, too. They’ve NEVER liked us, so what are we gonna do, beg?

China: read ’Russia’

Palestine: that’s a mess that’s been trying to get fixed since Carter, yet you find it in you to blame Bush?

Consider this: more progress has happened under President Bush than during any other President, bucko. But no, you EXPECT 2000+ years of conflict to settle itself nicely in 8 years.

Which goes back to my original criticism:
But what you don’t realize is that you yourself have removed even the possibility of there ever being even a shred of success in Iraq. You have, in your deluded mind, already surrendered and left while we still have people fighting over there. It’s a foregone conclusion that doesn’t even merit debating or discussion, which is why you complain and whine about ’goal posts’ whenever something even slightly positive is mentioned concerning Iraq.
Addendum: You also do the same thing you accuse the President of doing, except you take it to the other extreme: you set the bar to impossible levels.

By you’re own standards, the only successful Presidents this country has ever seen is:

Washington
Madison
Lincoln
Roosevelt (Teddy)
Roosevelt (Franklin)
Reagan

Everyone else, particularly from FDR-W (except Reagan),were failures.

What’s also funny is you manage to blame the situations in Turkey, Iran and Pakistan as DIRECTLY the fault of Bush. You’re level of delusion knows no bounds.


Oh, and can you at least attempt to address some of the problems I and others have pointed out.

Or...you can ignore all criticism as if it were irrelevant and further illustrate your stupidity.

either way is fine, really.
 
Written By: Joel C.
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Hey, geniuses, how are things going in Pakistan? Afghanistan? Turkey? Iraq? Iran? Russia? China? Palestine?
Would you care to point out how the D-’s would have handled these better?

Afghanistan...Taliban, not in power, AQ despised, with multiple failed offensives, resorting to suicide attacks

Turkey....Well after San Fran Nan did her best and PO’d the Turks, she still couldn’t get her resolution thru, and there is no invasion of No. Iraq.

Iraq...We’re winning, you might not have noticed

Iran....Still building nuclear weapons, but we’re doing what you guys want, we’re using diplomacy and letting th EU lead...so the Iranians are still building nuclear weapons

China...we trade with them. We traded with them under Clinton too, the difference being at least the PRC isn’t contributing to any GOP candidates.

Russia...Putin’s an autocrat. Was under Clinton, too. But tell me Dave what will your crew do to restore democracy to Russia, considering they have 3,000-plus nuclear weapons pointing at us?

Palestine...crazy as usual. Sadly, we’re determined to make peace with the Palestinians, even if it kills every Israelis citizen to do it. Still as that was Clinton’s goal, as well, would you care to point out how much better you guys would handle it?
 
Written By: Joe
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Washington
Madison
Lincoln
Roosevelt (Teddy)
Roosevelt (Franklin)
Reagan
What are you talking about Joel?

Madison...Started most disastrous war in US history, see own capitol building and home burnt, LOSER

Lincoln...Oversaw and failed to prevent most disastrous war in US history, did not listen to own generals, had a spy for a wife, mismanged war effort that extended war by at least a year, suspended civil liberties, tried civilians in military tribunals, tyrant... a bi-polar, gay LOSER

Roosevelt (Teddy)...particiapted in one of the most disatrous and illegal wars in US history, profited politically from it, waged a disastrous campaign against the sovereign nation of Columbia, sent US fleet around the world, denuding America of it’s prime protective force...LOSER

FDR...oversaw failed recovery attempts from moderate economic down turn and exacerbated it into a major economic crisis, oversaw the failed diplomacy that lead to the most disastrous war in human history, failed to protect US interests in Far East, failed to foresee Pearl Harbor attacks, did not listen to his generals, actions prolonged war by at least a year, gave Eastern Euroope to Soviets...LOSER

Reagan...oversaw failed Arms for Hostages, oversaw one of the most disastrous miltary campaigns in US history, two in fact, Grenada and Beirut, failed to listen to generals, created massive Federal deficits, liked jelly beans...LOSER.

America has had no successful Presidents.
 
Written By: Joe
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America has had no successful Presidents.
according to DS, of course
 
Written By: Joel C.
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Joe,

That may be my favorite comment you have ever posted.

liked jelly beans...LOSER.
I knew I should have hated that guy.
 
Written By: Lance
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Come on Don...

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.
It always seemed more of a Half Vast Right Wing Conspiracy to me.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
URL: http://qando.net
FDR’s failed diplomacy led to WWII? That one I have never heard before. I always thought Adolf Hitler had a hand in starting WWII. Are you reading from some of his writings when you make such a pronouncement?
 
Written By: walter
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" I always thought Adolf Hitler had a hand in starting WWII."

Yes, but if only FDR had engaged the German moderates with diplomacy instead of typical American/Western bluster and aggressiveness, he could have convinced them to restrain Hitler. You obviously fail to look at the world from the perspective of others. {:p

heh.
 
Written By: timactual
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Interesting how you say what would have happened "had he only" as if it is an absolute truth. I recognize your opinion has having merit but I too have an opinion on the subject. I think you under estimate Adolf Hitler.
As far as looking at the world from the perspective of others....well I say many "others" choose to simply blame the United States, its leaders and its people for every wrong that has occurred in the world over the last 150 years. It’s a simple and popular stance.
Incidentally, as far as the Germans post WWI, as I recall they caused tens of thousands of deaths, and you expected FDR to kiss their asses? Wouldn’t have been well accepted by the mothers of the fallen American WWI soldiers!
 
Written By: walter
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walter...tim and joe are being sarcastic. we’re all mocking David.
 
Written By: Joel C.
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Damn to I feel dumb....oh well....to any Vets out there....enjoy the holiday....to everybody else....shows thanks and respect for those who have served
 
Written By: walter
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Damn to I feel dumb....oh well....to any Vets out there....enjoy the holiday....to everybody else....shows thanks and respect for those who have served
Thanks Walter ... and don’t worry about it, they catch a lot of folks who aren’t familiar with their shtick.
 
Written By: McQ
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