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Posted by: McQ on Friday, November 23, 2007

Just another example of the cult of eco-extremism:
While some might think it strange to celebrate the reversal of nature and denial of motherhood, Toni relishes her decision with an almost religious zeal.

"Having children is selfish. It's all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet," says Toni, 35.

"Every person who is born uses more food, more water, more land, more fossil fuels, more trees and produces more rubbish, more pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-population."

While most parents view their children as the ultimate miracle of nature, Toni seems to see them as a sinister threat to the future.
You want "religious" zeal? There it is.
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Or maybe one of our kids will be the one to invent/discover something that will be incrediby beneficial to the planet?

If she wants to wipe her genetic line out, fine here. Darwin always selects against stupidity anyway
Written By: shark
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The death of western civilization. Third world populations are not doing this.
Written By: Rick
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"Toni" has a choice to continue to burden the Earth or to stop being so selfish, stealing air and resources.

And yeah... losing her genetic line is not a loss to worry about.
Written By: Synova
Everyone is treating "Having children is selfish" as the money quote.

I think it’s this instead:

"Every year, we also take a nice holiday - we’ve just come back from South Africa.

"We feel we can have one long-haul flight a year, as we are vegan and childless, thereby greatly reducing our carbon footprint and combating over-population."
Written By: Synova
I’m glad we live in a world that will allow a different perspective. Hopefully, more liberals will begin to think the same way and thier numbers will dimenish.
Written By: Jason
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More for my genes. How thoughful of her.
For every animal she doesn’t eat, I’ll eat three!
Written By: looker
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I dunno Bruce, I hope more addled-brained folks like her follow suit.
Written By: John
Yet, no doubt, she will line up and holler "Save Darfur", even though genocide is the optimal means to fight overpopulation....
Written By: kishnevi
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so whats the difference between this kind of extremism this and guys who blow up abortion clinics?
Written By: SLNTAX
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Supposedly Ghengis Khan has 16 million descendants. That’s a helluva carbon footprint.
Written By: Harun
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I’m not sure whether many of the comments to the article aren’t just as bad. I hope this is not a cross-section of a society which seems to believe the world is over-populated and without hope. If so, how did this happen?
Written By: Tom
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She should now just stop eating altogether.

Afterall, eating is a selfish addictive activity (isn’t it ?).
Written By: Neo
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And here I thought I was being selfish not having children because of the cost in money and hassle. Turns out I’m being noble and forward-thinking. Go me!
Written By: Achillea
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so whats the difference between this kind of extremism this and guys who blow up abortion clinics?
Well, the guys who blow up abortion clinics are evil, while this woman is merely stupid. So we denounce abortion clinic bombers and ridicule this woman.
Written By: Steverino
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Overpopulation was the huge bugaboo previous to Global Warming. It goes back to Malthus (?) or someone with a name like that, who did the math and showed that populations increase exponentially (or something) and pretty darn soon now (he was an old guy, so we’ve passed his best guess as "pretty darn soon now" some time ago) we’d overpopulate and consume all the Earth’s resources. There’s some famous dystopian fiction dedicated to the concept.

Time has shown that human population does not behave this way.

Yet even this last year I’ve linked to or followed links to some bright bulb or other explaining how an epidemic bird flu that reduced the population by 80% would be a good thing, or suggesting, bravely, that involuntary sterilization of world populations of humans would be more humane than releasing a plague or two.

The sentiment of "having children is selfish" is something I was very aware of when I was having babies. Lots of people talk about family size and explain their thinking when you’re having babies. Lots and lots of people express their decision to have one or only have two as a way to save the planet, and they are apologetic about wanting two. There’s also a fair amount of hostility directed toward those who have more. At the time I attributed this to anger about having been "forced" to limit family size and then having to see someone else who said, "eff that!" and went ahead and had many. Even in church I heard disapproval of the woman who had four or five (or lord forfend) more children.

My 10 years younger sister said it was even worse, this idea that one shouldn’t have children, that having children was bad, for those her age. She told me that many of her friends had been so convinced, either to save the planet or else so dissuaded from "teen pregnancy" by screeds about the evils of children that most had no intention of having children at all.

I don’t hear now what I heard when I was actively, visibly, obviously, reproducing. I don’t think it’s *just* because I don’t live in California anymore. But I still find myself arguing overpopulation fallacies (that war or plague *does* reduce population long term... it doesn’t) or that anything other than educational and economical improvement and development reduces birth rates, or that overpopulation is a problem at all when fertility rates have dropped into negative numbers in parts of Europe and Russia and elsewhere. The recieved wisdom is still that we breed like cockroaches and will soon consume all of the world’s limited resources.

Next thing, it’ll be Soylent Green for us all.
Written By: Synova
Other people taking away my resources is ... selfish of them.
Written By: Dave Brown

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