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Podcast for 25 Nov 07
Posted by: Dale Franks on Sunday, November 25, 2007

In this podcast, Bruce McQuain and Dale Franks discuss former general Ricardo Sanchez's comments on Iraq, the Ron Paul racism statement, and the Endarkenment.

Observations

The direct link to the podcast is here.

The intro and outro music is Vena Cava by 50 Foot Wave, and is available for free download here.

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You know it was kind of weird but while I was waiting on my cell to speak with you guys, Dale sounded like he was on a cell as well while Bruce sounded like he was "in studio". I almost didn’t recognize Dale’s voice it sounded so odd on my cell. Yet when I listened to the podcast this morning, it sounded the reverse, with Dale "in studio" and Bruce on cell. Weird...
 
Written By: John
URL: http://averagegayjoe.blogspot.com
Heh ... that’s what happens when you are the sound engineer.

Actually I think that’s a function of the fact that when Dale is recording, he’s plugged right into the system while I’m on a phone line. However when you hear the BlogTalk Radio version on their site, I sound better on it than does Dale because I’m speaking into a headset on a land line and I think he is on a cell connection.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
That’s because I record the podcast in my studio. We don’t avail ourselves of BTR’s recordings. We produce our own. All we want from BTR is the ability to take calls.
 
Written By: Dale Franks
URL: http://www.qando.net
That Arkansas-LSU game was murder, wasn’t it? I really enjoyed that.


I’m sorry I missed your half-hour, gentlemen. We would have had a small dispute.

You see, it makes no difference to me whether the guy who got Tasered on the side of the road was a jackass or not. That has nothing to do with any of it.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
You see, it makes no difference to me whether the guy who got Tasered on the side of the road was a jackass or not. That has nothing to do with any of it.
I think we both agreed that it had nothing to do with it as well. Our discussion about him being a jackass was a tangent, nothing else.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
I can think of many people who should be tasered, probably a few dozen times just for the heck of it, but that wouldn’t be right. Pity, really.
 
Written By: John
URL: http://averagegayjoe.blogspot.com
"I think we both agreed that it had nothing to do with it as well."
Let me put it this way: it is so impertinent that it never once would have crossed my mind to put it in play at all. Not one word.

It has nothing to do with any of it.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
Let me put it this way: it is so impertinent that it never once would have crossed my mind to put it in play at all. Not one word.
That’s your opinion about it. Obviously it wasn’t mine.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
I know, Bruce. That’s why I remarked on it.

I remember a country where people didn’t get beaten down and taken to jail for being a jackass.

I believe you do, too, when you stop to think about it.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
I’m not so sure it doesn’t, for the purposes of this dicussion, Billy... I agree with your lean here, but follow me....

The guy was an idiot, and ticked the cop off. The guy was acting out of line, and the cop went outside what he was trained to do and responded in kind. I agree, he shouldn’t have. They both ended up acting like kids, in the end. Both of them, frankly, were out of line.

But here’s where things take a left turn;

Do we go over the top, and judge that the country is going to hell in a handbasket because one cop can’t hold his temper when faced with an idiot?

 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
The guy was an idiot, and ticked the cop off. The guy was acting out of line, and the cop went outside what he was trained to do and responded in kind. I agree, he shouldn’t have. They both ended up acting like kids, in the end. Both of them, frankly, were out of line.
Yeah, and if you actually listen to the podcast you’ll note we said basically the same thing and then returned to the point that the cop overreacted (or as Dale said, didn’t follow any procedure he was trained to follow when he was doing that).
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.qando.net/blog
"Do we go over the top,..."
Don’t bother asking, Eric. You’ve presumed the answer.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
I remember a country where people didn’t get beaten down and taken to jail for being a jackass.
What, in this actually existent space-time continuum encompassing us all? I missed that entirely.

Of course, I used to think that I was living in such a country, but it turns out I was extrapolating erroneously from my own personal experience, blithely ignorant of the experiences of others. I just had not yet heard about the people who, courtesy of bad eggs in blue suits, got their heads cracked and their teeth knocked out and the fire hoses turned on them and etc. and etc. because they were jackasses. Or vagrants. Or uppity minorities. Or teenagers. Or lost.

Not that that sort of thing characterized law enforcement generally, any more then than now. But for a fact it happened, right here in this country in your own lifetime whether you remember it or not.

Joe, for one, has pointed out such timeworn truths repeatedly in the Endarkenment thread. It’s bizarre to watch them bounce right off your skull and leave you willing to make a statement like that above.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
URL: http://
No, Linda. It wasn’t policy.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
What Captain Taser did to the mouthy motorist wasn’t policy either. Leastwise, if it was, they need to lose the dash cams straightaway. Nevermind the people who have no problem with the way the guy was zapped. They aren’t the ones who’ll end up making just about any use of tasers way too controversial — and expensive — to be sustainable. If not with this case, then with those sure to come.

Use of tasers: policy. Dropping the dork like a dog in the dirt: abuse of policy.

Just like

Nightsticks: policy. Beating some sleeping drunk to a bloody pulp: abuse thereof.

Same as it ever was, but with tons more oversight.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
URL: http://
"What Captain Taser did to the mouthy motorist wasn’t policy either. Leastwise, if it was, they need to lose the dash cams straightaway."
Check me on this, Linda, okay? Trooper Gardner’s deployment of the Taser is still under investigation by the Utah Highway Patrol. Now, the reason why this is taking so long is that nobody wants to make an official move on the thing in any direction, because the last thing that they need in a political climate like this is a decision that will expose principles or their squintable facsimile. Immobility is the best move for a while. For one thing, they never know when something like this might blow in up in their favor, while they’re blazing in the cultural spotlight. However, Trooper Gardner will be cleared of any wrong in the thing, and the official statement will tell you that Trooper Gardner followed proper procedures.

The dashcam evidence will "support" this. (That’s a mush-word that I’m quoting from the future of this case.)
 
Written By: Billy Beck
URL: http://www.two—four.net/weblog.php
Yeah, and if you actually listen to the podcast
So, I’m not allowed to agree?

(Wry Smile)
I did hear it....(Matter of fact, thanks for reminding me, I forgot to erase it; it’s been sitting in my player for a couple days)... but that was intended as establishment of an angle, Bruce.
Don’t bother asking, Eric. You’ve presumed the answer.
Not at all. Certainly, I know my answer, and I know the reasonable one... and they happen to be the same. Simply; One data point doesn’t make a chart.

What the rest of you will answer, I don’t know, though I’ve an idea. The question, though is how to argue the former of the two options, without looking a little foolish.
Now, the reason why this is taking so long is that nobody wants to make an official move on the thing in any direction, because the last thing that they need in a political climate like this is a decision that will expose principles or their squintable facsimile.
....
However, Trooper Gardner will be cleared of any wrong in the thing, and the official statement will tell you that Trooper Gardner followed proper procedures.
(Shrug) As I’ve said many times, never under-estimate the power of the union. Ever see the process involved for removing a bad teacher? What works for government school teachers, works for cops, too. And that, perhaps, is a bigger indicator of the handbasket’s direction, than the one incident, itself.


 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us

 
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