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Hate crimes: "English" is now a race?
Posted by: McQ on Saturday, December 01, 2007

Holy crap, Batman:
A grandfather has been given a prison sentence for racial harassment after calling a Welsh woman "English".

Mick Forsythe used the term during an argument over a scratched car in his Welsh home town.

He called the vehicle's owner, Lorna Steele, an "English bitch".

She and her husband took great offence at the jibe and decided to take him to court.

The 55-year-old former lorry driver was found guilty of racially aggravated disorderly behaviour, and received a ten-week prison sentence suspended for 12 months.

Yesterday Mr Forsythe attacked the prosecution as a waste of time and money.

"I find it unbelievable that I've been prosecuted for this," he said.
Racially aggravated disorderly behavior?

You mean a "hate crime?"

"English" is now a "race"?

Anyone - do you see where such nonsense, once it is "enshrined" in law, can go?

A simple argument about a scratched car. One person gets a bit heated and calls another "an English bitch" and ends up in court on a hate crime charge and gets a 10 week sentence suspended for a year and £200 in court costs.
Mr Forsythe says his mind was on the recent arrival of his granddaughter when he struck anothervehicle while parking in front of his bric-a-brac shop.

The car belonged to Mrs Steele, who runs the tattoo parlour next door with her husband Gavin.

Mr Forsythe claims he went to offer to pay for the scratches he had caused. But, the court was told, he became abusive and hurled insults at Mrs Steele, 32, and her husband.

Yesterday his wife Val, 50, explained: 'Mick was a bit distracted because our granddaughter Rhian had just been born.

He went in and did the decent thing and owned up to it.

Then the next thing is they are asking for £500 for the damage.

"My husband has a temper and he was a lorry driver for years so his language is a bit colourful sometimes.

"The Steeles started the row and Mick got angry and he admits he swore at them. But he only muttered under his breath."
No good deed goes unpunished. Next time, I'm sure, Mick will just drive on. Oh, and the irony is Mrs. Steele is Welsh. But given the fact she pursued the court case I'm given to agree with Mick's latter description not to mention his conclusion.
"It's political correctness gone mad."
 
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Quick, lock up all of the Amish!
 
Written By: Wulf
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We have reached a point where, upon being called an "English bitch", the person is more offended at being called "English" than "bitch" and the former is ALSO more legally actionable. The Onion, that sound you hear is your death knell.
 
Written By: Linus
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More oppression by the English imperialists. Typical of their long and bloody history of destroying native cultures and repressing any dissent or resentment.
 
Written By: timactual
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The use of the word ’race’ do divide humans into three groups is a modern development. Even if it is not the meaning the court put on it, in the older sense ’race’ means a people related by common ancestry or heritage. Thus, the English are considered a mongrel race by the Welsh and Scots.
 
Written By: Bill H
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Call a Celt a Sassenach, and what do you expect?
And you call yourself a McQ!
There are many Welsh and Scots in whose eyes "English" is a term of serious disrespect. Years ago, I learned to make sure that customers from the UK were actually English before alluding to their country as England, or to them as English: if not sure of where in the UK they were from, use the generic terms Britain and British, or UK. Scotch, Welsh, and Irish from Eire (Republic of Ireland, that is—whether Catholic or Protestant) do not like to be called English. Neither do Catholics from Northern Ireland. But Protestants from Northern Ireland don’t seem to mind (even though, historically, most are descended from Scottish emigrants)—probably a reflection of political reality in that neck of the woods.
In sum—he really was insulting her, and both of them probably did think of the ethnic portion of the insult as the worse one.

But he was right to call it PC gone mad. Or rather, prosecutors gone bad.
 
Written By: kishnevi
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Scotch !!!????

It’s "Scots" or "Scottish" ! Scotch is a drink.....

It may be that the driver was a Welsh speaker (like me), and the tattoo artist lady was not. We don’t really regard those who don’t speak Welsh as Welsh. It’s not a deliberate distinction, it’s just that, well, you have to speak English to communicate with them. They’re Welsh by name, but if you can’t discuss the Eisteddfod with them, or share any Welsh jokes with them, it’s kind of an empty label. If you really wanted to insult such a person, you’d call them English.
 
Written By: Blewyn
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It may be that the driver was a Welsh speaker (like me), and the tattoo artist lady was not. We don’t really regard those who don’t speak Welsh as Welsh. It’s not a deliberate distinction, it’s just that, well, you have to speak English to communicate with them. They’re Welsh by name, but if you can’t discuss the Eisteddfod with them, or share any Welsh jokes with them, it’s kind of an empty label. If you really wanted to insult such a person, you’d call them English.


Very interesting... But how about the point of the post, which is that YOU CAN BE IMPRISONED FOR CALLING SOMEONE A NAME?!!!!

EUnuchs. Any individual rights you once had are long gone.
 
Written By: Jeff
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"English" is a term of serious disrespect"

Yeah, but it’s NOT A RACE!
 
Written By: Firehand
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Very interesting... But how about the point of the post, which is that YOU CAN BE IMPRISONED FOR CALLING SOMEONE A NAME?!!!!
Oh do calm down...he was given a suspended sentence for ’racially aggravated disorderly conduct’, not ’calling someone a name’. The paper hasn’t detailed the disorderly conduct....just the name calling.
 
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