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So many of the remedies for middle-class anxiety—lower corporate taxation to fuel jobs or free trade—do not lend themselves to the kind of simple-minded boob-baiting these comstituencies have become accustomed to. We saw in the Social Security debates how willing the Democrats are to sell fear and tell outright lies in order to close ranks and end discussion. As dumb as the GOP has proven to be, I’m not sure anybody’s clever enough to craft a message that will win over the voters the Left pays only lip service to. |
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The Party of Washington is no more, the Party of Jackson and Lincoln is no more...things change. If the Democrats remain in power this is true, but also irrelevant, to quote the apocryphal North Vietnamese Colonel. |
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i think the authors have it pretty much spot on. Clearly the guys who provided manual labor for a middle class living are having a tough time of it. That said it’s not going to change much. As the third world becomes more educated they will continue to suck such jobs away from the US. if anyone has any remedy’s (besides abandoning free trade) for that i’d sure appreciate hearing them. |
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Simple. Abandon unilateral free trade. |
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This is the latest right wing meme, namely, that the Dems only care about the rich. The cited proof today? This new paradigm was never more evident that in a recent Heritage report which claimed that Democrats now control the wealthiest Congressional districts in the country. Got it? The proof that the Democrats don’t care about the middle class is that Democrats represent wealthier districts than Repubilcans do.
Right.
The truth is, districts/states/regions tend to be wealthier because they are represented by Democrats. It is Democratic policies that tend to make incomes rise, particularly those of the middle class.
Want proof? Check out state poverty rates for 2005:
http://www.deed.state.mn.us/lmi/publications/rankings/figure25.htm
State Percent State Percent State Percent Mississippi 21.3% Louisiana 19.8% New Mexico 18.5% U.S. 13.3% West Virginia 18.0% Texas 17.6% Arkansas 17.2% Alabama 17.0% Kentucky 16.8% Oklahoma 16.5% South Carolina 15.6% Tennessee 15.5% North Carolina 15.1% Georgia 14.4% Montana 14.4% Arizona 14.2%
Nevada 11.1% Nebraska 10.9% Iowa 10.7% Delaware 10.4% Massachusetts 10.3% Utah 10.2% Wisconsin 10.2% Virginia 10.0% Hawaii 9.8% Wyoming 9.5% Minnesota 9.2% Connecticut 8.3% Maryland 8.2% New Hampshire 7.5% Source : Bureau of Labor Statistics. Look at the bottom 15 states. Primarliy if not overwhelmingly red. Look at the top 15 states. Primarily blue.
Question: If Dems care so little about the poor and the downtrodden, why are the states at the bottom so overwhelmingly red? Indeed, if the average is 13.3, the only two states below that line that are solidly blue are New York and Oregon.
It’s understandable why wingnuts would want to further the notion that Dems don’t care about the poor. Of course, the facts are opposite. But since when has that ever bothered wingnuttery? |
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The rest of the world is not "sucking jobs away". The US is still the leading producer of manufactured goods in the world. US manufacturing jobs are declining due to productivity improvements. This will continue even if we mess up our economy by erecting trade barriers. |
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This is the latest right wing meme, namely, that the Dems only care about the rich No mk, this is the latest left wing meme. The right has always maintained that the primary and overwhelming concern of the left is keeping in power irrespective of the means employed.
You guys are represented (in the Presidential race) by folks who have said numerous times that they are better suited than I, to make my decisions. Love your visions of liberty - I hope to keep them to yourself.
(and yeah, there is a bit of irony in there if you have a shred of intellectual honesty.) |
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Technology steals more jobs than China ever does. Just review the following and think about who lost their jobs:
ATM cash machines Fax/E-mail Spreadsheets AutoCAD Self-check out Forklift Backhoe / Bulldozer
I recently read that China lost 25 million industrial jobs in the past few years - mainly to machines and technology. |
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It’s understandable why wingnuts would want to further the notion that Dems don’t care about the poor. Further the notion????
You dont give a damn about the poor, moonbat, you just want to use them for electoral victory. Hey, make some more promises you cant keep, just as long as your socialist totalitarianism reigns... |
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Sorry folks... lingering anger with family members who are as intentionally clueless as mk and glas... much easier to lash out against unknown internet ____ than sisters, mothers, and brothers-in-law.
It’s disappointing when family members chose to be as ill-informed as internet trolls. |
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"It is Democratic policies that tend to make incomes rise, particularly those of the middle class." You are a certifiable moron. |
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The rest of the world is not "sucking jobs away". The US is still the leading producer of manufactured goods in the world. US manufacturing jobs are declining due to productivity improvements. This will continue even if we mess up our economy by erecting trade barriers. Technology steals more jobs than China ever does. Just review the following and think about who lost their jobs:
ATM cash machines Fax/E-mail Spreadsheets AutoCAD Self-check out Forklift Backhoe / Bulldozer
I recently read that China lost 25 million industrial jobs in the past few years - mainly to machines and technology. Firstly job loss to technology is a good thing. It means efficiency. And although there is transient jobs loss, they jobs are recovered elsewhere. What is important is to retain the capability.
But that isn’t all that’s happening. Unless tires, toasters and tractors can come out of a spreadsheet, you can witness the health of industry by the factories. Making stuff requires space. Quite a lot of it. I grew up in a city filled with factories. There were areas where block after block that you couldn’t throw a stone and not hit one. As I grew up they emptied one after that other. Countless buildings became empty hulks. The capability they represented didn’t require less space. Its just left.
As for those nasty trade barriers, they haven’t hurt China too much have they? They are doing exactly what the US did when the US decided it wanted to be more than an overgrown wheat field and timber yard.
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History has a way of being very ironic.
It once was that the Democrats were the party of the "little man" and the Republicans were the party of "the rich": that, to people like my parents, voting for a Republican was voting for the rich against the poor (my parents thinking of themselves as being one of the poor) in a sort of treason to one’s economic class.
But now it’s very much the reverse.
(And I would argue that the GOP of today is just as different from the GOP of, for example, Dewey).
BTW—is mkultra Erb’s new pseudonym |
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The truth is, districts/states/regions tend to be wealthier because they are represented by Democrats. This might be the stupidest thing you’ve ever said. And, remember, you’re the one who claimed conservatives don’t like traffic circles because they’re too European. But today’s howler tops even that.
What you are saying is that certain specific districts are wealthier because they have Democrat representatives in Congress. By what mechanism? Exactly what does the delegation to Washington do that’s more important than the state, county, and municipal goverments?
Before you get into another tirade about how the poor states are "red", you should probably do a more thorough analysis: what party is the governor? what party dominates the legislature. what party does the mayor, city council, and county board lean toward?
Face it, mk: you strip out any info that might argue against your wild claims.
And, kishnevi, mkultra is not the same person as Erb. Although, maybe they are two different personalities harboring the same body...has anyone ever seen the two of them together? :) |
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"The truth is, districts/states/regions tend to be wealthier because they are represented by Democrats. It is Democratic policies that tend to make incomes rise, particularly those of the middle class."
If Democratic policies enacted by the national government are responsible for increased wealth, why is that wealth concentrated in Democratic districts? Sounds more like Democrats are better at getting Pork for their own districts.
"Want proof? Check out state poverty rates for 2005: "
Perhaps you should learn the difference between a Congressional district and a state. Wealth is not uniformly distributed within states.
" It’s disappointing when family members chose to be as ill-informed as internet trolls."
I understand completely.
" Countless buildings became empty hulks"
Perhaps if the environmentalists did not make it so expensive and difficult for someone to use that land, and taxes were not so high on it, and transportation for people and goods was not so difficult, someone would use those hulks. Most city governments do not seem to really want manufacturing plants in their cities, anymore. Sports facilities, condos, convention centers and hotels are much more popular with municipal politicians.
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FWIW, Fred Siegel is probably the world’s biggest Rudy booster. (I’m not knocking Siegel, I’m impressed by that support. If I ever want to write pro-Giuliani material, Siegel is the source to turn to.) |
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