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Peter Clothier doesn’t does believe in self-defense
Posted by: Bryan Pick on Wednesday, December 12, 2007

Over at the Huffington Post, Peter Clothier has this to say in an article ominously entitled, "Do You Need a Gun?":
I myself am enough in tune with Buddhist teachings to believe that the taking of life is wrong in any circumstance—and, yes, that includes the saving of my own. I'm not naïve enough to believe that I wouldn't resort to violence in order to preserve my life, but I would not prepare for that contingency with the purchase of a gun.
To that I respond with another quote, this one from Thomas Fuller (I hope I'm getting the wording right):
He does not believe who does not live according to his belief.
Either it is wrong to use violence to defend one's own life, or it is right. If it is right, then it is not always wrong to take life... unless Clothier would only resort to violence short of killing his attacker, in which case he's chosen a rather roundabout way of saying so.

Clothier seems to know, even consciously, what his beliefs boil down to when the rubber meets the road. He would defend himself. He would believe its virtue well enough to do it. He just can't bring himself to be prepared for it. Because owning and knowing how to use a gun, even with the certain knowledge that he only intended to use it toward a proper end, would signal... something bad, I'm sure.
 
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If he wishes to be consistent, he should advocate the disarmament, if not the disbanding, of police and disbanding our military. Another example of the complete failure of our education system.
 
Written By: timactual
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Do You Need a Seatbelt?

I don’t. I hope never to find myself in a situation where I would have needed one to protect my life—though I concede that this is a dire possibility in a country where cars seem so prevalent.
 
Written By: Dustin Vines
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He’s afraid if he buys a gun maybe his friends will wonder if his political affiliation is still rock-solid. Maybe it’s his friends, or maybe just himself.

The fact that liberals hate and fear apostates ... It’s as if the point of being a liberal is to say "I’ve been a liberal all my life." To know what it feels like to have immovable convictions.


 
Written By: Cincinnatus
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I myself am enough in tune with Christian teachings to believe that screwing women other than my wife is wrong in any circumstance—and, yes, that includes if my wife cuts me off completely. I’m not naïve enough to believe that I wouldn’t resort to extramarital sex in order to get a nut, but I would not prepare for that contingency with the purchase of a pack of condoms.
There, fixed it for him. Hey, I’m sure that he and his fellow travelers would buy that reasoning and proclaim that the "Christian" who said it was not a gigantic hypocrite.

Right?
 
Written By: Terry
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What about saving someone else’s life? He might not be prepared to kill to save his own life, but does his morality argue that it is better to allow a murderer to kill others rather than to kill the murderer?

Is he arguing that it is better to allow a man to kill dozens, thousands, or millions than to kill the murderer himself?
 
Written By: JWG
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What about saving someone else’s life? He might not be prepared to kill to save his own life, but does his morality argue that it is better to allow a murderer to kill others rather than to kill the murderer?

Is he arguing that it is better to allow a man to kill dozens, thousands, or millions than to kill the murderer himself?
QFT

hes basically claiming the moral high ground and at the same time telling us hes a wuss with no convictions to his beliefs. Sounds like a liberal to me.
 
Written By: josh b
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I really don’t care if Clothier never buys a gun or never defends himself. I DO care that people like Clothier want to legislate that I can’t make that same decision for myself, in accordance with my constitutional right.
 
Written By: the wolf
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Buddhists are very annoying.

Example: My business partner raises birds for a hobby. This started when she saved a lost pet bird from dying by taking care of it. Guess what Buddhists say about that? It’s bad to have pets...you should "free" them instead. Guess what happens to a captive lovebird that is freed to survive in an urban environment? How is that different from simply killing a chicken to eat it?

Oh, and if we tried to import bird food and bird toys that would make the lives of pet birds better it would be a sin...(there is/was a huge market for this Taiwan and I want to kill that relative for that kind of advice.)

So, in other words, better to have animals die than to dirty your won karma in an imperfect world.





 
Written By: Harun
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I don’t know why people are beating up on this guy. It’s clear that he is perfectly consistent with standard leftist, post-modernist thinking, which is that feelings and intentions matter more than logic.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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"Is he arguing that it is better to allow a man to kill dozens, thousands, or millions than to kill the murderer himself?"

Of course. It’s narcissism. He only cares about his own moral purity, everyone else can bugger off. He will, of course, claim that the welfare of others is his guiding light, but if it comes to a choice between him and others, he wins.
 
Written By: timactual
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Do You Need a Seatbelt?
Exactly.

I have guns.
I also have a fire extinguisher, a smoke alarm, a plunger, and half a six-pack of Miller Light a friend left at my house back in 1998.

I hope I never have to use any of them.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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I have guns.
I also have a fire extinguisher, a smoke alarm, a plunger, and half a six-pack of Miller Light a friend left at my house back in 1998.
Well if you ever use the Smoke alarm, make sure you use the fire extinguisher to save the 9 year old beer, cause when that happens, your gonna want to use them while you watch your house go up in smoke.
 
Written By: josh b
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Heh, and considering this quote, the Dalai Lama would apparently argue that he isn’t all that ’in tune with Buddhist teachings’.


"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." — The Dalai Lama, May 15, 2001, at the "Educating Heart Summit" in Portland, Oregon
 
Written By: Dustin Vines
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Because owning and knowing how to use a gun, even with the certain knowledge that he only intended to use it toward a proper end, would signal... something bad, I’m sure.
Perhaps the admission that, in some tiny inner corner deep inside, there’s the ghost of a hint of realization that it’s just barely remotely possible that he might ultimately be responsible for his own personal safety.

...

Nah.
 
Written By: Achillea
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Kung Fu was developed when the Shaolin monks tired of having their temple defiled and their monks killed. I have much respect for pacifists, but there comes a time when you have to step up. No reasonable person wants to kill another person, but to eliminate the option of defending yourself and your family is criminally irresponsible.

It’s like Reagan said. There are only two ways to ensure peace: Complete surrender to the enemy, or making yourself an unattractive target.
 
Written By: Ronnie Gipper
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I myself am enough in tune with Buddhist teachings to believe that the taking of life is wrong in any circumstance

Then he sounds like a bad violin player....

Obviously he’s never heard the Buddhist axiom, "If you meet the Buddha on the road, KILL HIM!"...

For those not familiar, a Buddha is one freed from the bonds of Karma. If the Buddha were to return to the earthly realm the potential would exist that he may do something to incur Karma and thus fall from the sate of Buddhahood. Better to kill him, and incur the Karma of that yourself, than to let the Buddha fall from his state of grace.

Just saying...

 
Written By: Khepri
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